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(01-06-2018 11:44 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 08:25 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Some one was asking on another thread what the Democrats would run on in 18 and 20. Here you go. Many people don't want drilling off their coast. If the corporate Republicans go along with this one they might well lose some of their otherwise loyal GOP voters. Democrats should highlight their opposition.

Wait. What?

Democrats are going to run on coastal enviro issues related to the decision to open up the coastal shelves to drilling? And that is going to cost the republican base in places like California, Oregon and Washington. I guess.

I was thinking more along the lines of Florida, NC, Virginia, all up and down the east coast where states tend to be red or purple. Of course some Republicans in places like these are already coming out in opposition to the drilling, but if they can't stop it they will get blamed for being ineffective and that works too. 04-cheers
01-06-2018 05:21 PM
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Its already open season in the Gulf and a lot of folks jobs are reliant upon that. An older map (I'm sure there is a newer one out there somewhere) but pictorial representation of the proven recoverable reserves off the coast....Why I don't think the Mid Atlantic areas you mention have much to worry about. That is not where the low hanging fruit is.

Perhaps Southern California and the upper New England states on the other hand...

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(01-06-2018 01:04 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 12:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 10:25 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:17 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The alternative to offshore drilling is bringing oil in by ship from countries that don’t really like us. And that is a much more dangerous proposition on many fronts—including oil spills.

No, the alternative is electrification and clean energy.

You do understand where most of your electricity comes from, don't you?
Coal and natural gas.

Natural gas is relatively clean. Coal can be replaced with wind and solar.

Not without subsidizing at this point due to poor efficiency. Solar and wind can't stand on their own competitively and are unreliable sources of energy. They could be a part of the solution if they were more cost effective but could never be anything but a help to the problem of energy independence simply because they require sun light and wind.
01-06-2018 08:36 PM
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Fossil fuels are subsidized by the lack of pricing on carbon emissions. If the playing field were leveled, clean energy would be cheaper even with the cost of storage solutions.
01-07-2018 10:51 AM
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(01-07-2018 10:51 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Fossil fuels are subsidized by the lack of pricing on carbon emissions. If the playing field were leveled, clean energy would be cheaper even with the cost of storage solutions.

who'd a thunk you would be for inflated pricing across the board....

hell, you're probably cool with subsidizing corn cobbin' goblins.....

lmmfao.....

you're a ******* genius....
01-07-2018 10:55 AM
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(01-07-2018 10:51 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Fossil fuels are subsidized by the lack of pricing on carbon emissions. If the playing field were leveled, clean energy would be cheaper even with the cost of storage solutions.

Fossil fuels are subsidized because they are better, therefore the powers that be want to make them more economical. At any pricing point, fossil fuels are going to work better than solar at night or wind on a calm day. That's one big problem with alternatives, reliability. Another is infrastructure. We have windmills turning right now that the electricity isn't going anywhere because there are not transmission lines. And the NIMBY folks hope to keep it that way. Remember Ted "Blond in the Pond" Kennedy blocked an offshore wind farm because it messed up the view from his seaside mansion?

We need to get away from fossil fuels and onto alternatives. But we need viable alternatives before that can happen. And right now the alternatives aren't physically viable, without regard to whether they are economically viable.
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The two cleanest and most reliable forms of energy we have are hydroelectric and nuclear. Yet you should see the butthurt the left throws up whenever we try to spin up a new plant using one of those methods.
01-07-2018 11:27 AM
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(01-07-2018 11:05 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 10:51 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Fossil fuels are subsidized by the lack of pricing on carbon emissions. If the playing field were leveled, clean energy would be cheaper even with the cost of storage solutions.

Fossil fuels are subsidized because they are better, therefore the powers that be want to make them more economical. At any pricing point, fossil fuels are going to work better than solar at night or wind on a calm day. That's one big problem with alternatives, reliability. Another is infrastructure. We have windmills turning right now that the electricity isn't going anywhere because there are not transmission lines. And the NIMBY folks hope to keep it that way. Remember Ted "Blond in the Pond" Kennedy blocked an offshore wind farm because it messed up the view from his seaside mansion?

We need to get away from fossil fuels and onto alternatives. But we need viable alternatives before that can happen. And right now the alternatives aren't physically viable, without regard to whether they are economically viable.

....but Owl, what he wants feels better!!!!
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(01-07-2018 10:51 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Fossil fuels are subsidized by the lack of pricing on carbon emissions. If the playing field were leveled, clean energy would be cheaper even with the cost of storage solutions.

Quit selling. You've sold us. Like I said earlier it's going to take a solar field equal in size to the state of West Virginia to power the US. The bulldozers will be at you house in the morning to get started.
01-07-2018 12:21 PM
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(01-07-2018 12:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 10:51 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Fossil fuels are subsidized by the lack of pricing on carbon emissions. If the playing field were leveled, clean energy would be cheaper even with the cost of storage solutions.

Quit selling. You've sold us. Like I said earlier it's going to take a solar field equal in size to the state of West Virginia to power the US. The bulldozers will be at you house in the morning to get started.

Why would a free market price carbon emissions?
01-07-2018 12:30 PM
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