It should be a 6 team playoff the four teams play the champion of the p five plays the champion of the G5 to see who the best is

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(01-04-2018 06:01 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:40 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 03:26 PM)vick mike Wrote:  ND would have to have a qualification formula. PSU did not make their championship game, too bad. They also said there’d never be any playoff, so they (and you) will be proven wrong. Again.

Just looked at the current CFP championship game teams. It seems that Alabama didn't make their conference championship game either.

Who cares what PSU administration said. I think they'd change their tune if they were left out in such a scenario. And if they didn't complain, I'm sure a Michigan, or Michigan State, or whoever travels well, would complain under such a scenario.

Does App. State travel well or draw 100K+ to their games? The bowls, their sponsors, and networks certainly want to know. It's all about money, always has, always will be. Forget about what's fair, or who can beat who on the field because it's irrelevant.

Your argument is a mess and all over the place. My 16 team playoff proposal is a CFB version of the NCAA tournament, not a popularity contest like you’re advocating. Try to distinguish the differences. As for your PSU or Mich or Mich St complaining, that’s exactly the point. If you want to propose a playoff system where the teams with the biggest followings are invited in spite of record, go for it. Seems to me like that’s the mess we have now. Anyway, take a breath and try to focus.

Of course you think my argument is a mess because you didn't read or comprehend it, so I'll dummy it down for you. It's not a realistic or feasible argument because of the money. Follow the money! Nothing else matters. If the sponsors say no, if the networks so no, then the answer is no. If I'm a sponsor, I'm saying no. It's really quite simple.

(01-04-2018 06:11 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 06:01 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:40 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 03:26 PM)vick mike Wrote:  ND would have to have a qualification formula. PSU did not make their championship game, too bad. They also said there’d never be any playoff, so they (and you) will be proven wrong. Again.

Just looked at the current CFP championship game teams. It seems that Alabama didn't make their conference championship game either.

Who cares what PSU administration said. I think they'd change their tune if they were left out in such a scenario. And if they didn't complain, I'm sure a Michigan, or Michigan State, or whoever travels well, would complain under such a scenario.

Does App. State travel well or draw 100K+ to their games? The bowls, their sponsors, and networks certainly want to know. It's all about money, always has, always will be. Forget about what's fair, or who can beat who on the field because it's irrelevant.

Your argument is a mess and all over the place. My 16 team playoff proposal is a CFB version of the NCAA tournament, not a popularity contest like you’re advocating. Try to distinguish the differences. As for your PSU or Mich or Mich St complaining, that’s exactly the point. If you want to propose a playoff system where the teams with the biggest followings are invited in spite of record, go for it. Seems to me like that’s the mess we have now. Anyway, take a breath and try to focus.

Of course you think my argument is a mess because you didn't read or comprehend it, so I'll dummy it down for you. It's not a realistic or feasible argument because of the money. Follow the money! Nothing else matters. If the sponsors say no, if the networks so no, then the answer is no. If I'm a sponsor, I'm saying no. It's really quite simple.

I will respond by also simplifying for you: what are the two biggest sporting events of the year? One, Super Bowl and 2, NCAA Tournament. The 16 team playoff replicates the NFL playoffs and NCAAs by having the best teams from each conference play. You may not sponsor it but Nike, Cadillac and Apple will. Again you are welcome to have your PSU v Mich St game which you seem to think would be great.

(01-04-2018 07:10 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 06:11 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 06:01 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:40 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 03:26 PM)vick mike Wrote:  ND would have to have a qualification formula. PSU did not make their championship game, too bad. They also said there’d never be any playoff, so they (and you) will be proven wrong. Again.

Just looked at the current CFP championship game teams. It seems that Alabama didn't make their conference championship game either.

Who cares what PSU administration said. I think they'd change their tune if they were left out in such a scenario. And if they didn't complain, I'm sure a Michigan, or Michigan State, or whoever travels well, would complain under such a scenario.

Does App. State travel well or draw 100K+ to their games? The bowls, their sponsors, and networks certainly want to know. It's all about money, always has, always will be. Forget about what's fair, or who can beat who on the field because it's irrelevant.

Your argument is a mess and all over the place. My 16 team playoff proposal is a CFB version of the NCAA tournament, not a popularity contest like you’re advocating. Try to distinguish the differences. As for your PSU or Mich or Mich St complaining, that’s exactly the point. If you want to propose a playoff system where the teams with the biggest followings are invited in spite of record, go for it. Seems to me like that’s the mess we have now. Anyway, take a breath and try to focus.

Of course you think my argument is a mess because you didn't read or comprehend it, so I'll dummy it down for you. It's not a realistic or feasible argument because of the money. Follow the money! Nothing else matters. If the sponsors say no, if the networks so no, then the answer is no. If I'm a sponsor, I'm saying no. It's really quite simple.

I will respond by also simplifying for you: what are the two biggest sporting events of the year? One, Super Bowl and 2, NCAA Tournament. The 16 team playoff replicates the NFL playoffs and NCAAs by having the best teams from each conference play. You may not sponsor it but Nike, Cadillac and Apple will. Again you are welcome to have your PSU v Mich St game which you seem to think would be great.

You know that they will sponsor it how exactly?

Staying on the money theme, sponsors do not wish to spend money out of the goodness of their heart. It's very competitive out there. I know a little about advertising from personal experience and family business.

Unlike the federal government who are not held accountable to anyone, business decisions are always made with the idea of profit. Corporation such as Apple, have their stockholders to think about.

Yes, I'm in the stock market and do care about profits too since it affects my bottom line.

(01-04-2018 08:59 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 08:56 AM)pesik Wrote:  ive heard numerous arguments on why the playoff shouldn't expand and all those reasons can be solved with a 6 team playoffs

no expansion reasons:
-length of season issue (player concerns, multiple semester concerns)
-preserving "the best regular season in sports"
-every game matter in college

expansion pros:
- not accessible to all teams, 50% of fbs teams have ZERO percent chance at a title
-4 seeds/5 power conferences

proposed system
6 at-larges spots, with a caveat that if a g5 is a conference champion and is in the top 17 they get an auto spot (no 2 loss g5 has ever been ranked that high)

top 2 seeds get a first round bye..
this would actually dramatically amplify the regular season, in the current system as long as you are in the top 4 it doesn't matter to anyone where you are seeded (you made it). the debate is just who is at 4... in a 6 team playoff your seeding actually matters, as the top 2 get first round byes & the 3rd seed likely goes against a g5, there a huge advantages to your seeding.. the debate is 1 through 6. every game and every schedule matters

EVERY single fbs team has a chance at winning a national title. for every team in college football, every game matters

there will always be 5 free slots, so if a dominant teams comes from every p5 conference, it isnt a beauty contest anymore, everything will be handled on the field

the first round (3v6, 4v5) should be the start of bowl season... that give them a few weeks to recover, also without extending the season...it would also only extended the amount of games for 4 teams (no different than the hawaii exception)

I know someone will say 16 team playoff, or 8 team playoff.. this isnt a debate on what is best of what we think should happen but a compromise i think fits everyone

I think 8 teams is the way to go, but ultimately it wont happen unless the P5 splits from the G5. The P5 will never allow a scenario where a G5 team can make the national championship.


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I predict they will go to 8. And the G5 champ will have an auto bid next time around. There is too much fire around this now. It’s gonna happen sooner or later

(01-04-2018 04:40 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 03:26 PM)vick mike Wrote:  ND would have to have a qualification formula. PSU did not make their championship game, too bad. They also said there’d never be any playoff, so they (and you) will be proven wrong. Again.

Just looked at the current CFP championship game teams. It seems that Alabama didn't make their conference championship game either.

Who cares what PSU administration said. I think they'd change their tune if they were left out in such a scenario. And if they didn't complain, I'm sure a Michigan, or Michigan State, or whoever travels well, would complain under such a scenario.

Does App. State travel well or draw 100K+ to their games? The bowls, their sponsors, and networks certainly want to know. It's all about money, always has, always will be. Forget about what's fair, or who can beat who on the field because it's irrelevant.

It doesn't matter because all of the first round games would be road games for the 9-16 seeds (in his 16 team scenario), so the home team would fill the stadium. If App state beat the #1 or #2 seed, I imagine they would get quite a second week crowd traveling to wherever the second round would be played.

The only answer is a 16 team playoff that includes every conference.

8-Team is the best way to go and especially with attracting the casual fan. Part of March Madness appeal is the underdog. We love it. 16-Team is overkill, but 8-Team still keeps the speculation. Say a 12-1 UCF makes it over a 11-2 Boise State but they have 2 wins over P5 teams and one in the Top 25 while UCF has one over a Top 25 P5 and a bottom feeder P5 but UCF has the better conference schedule. You can still have that debate. That's what the BCS was about and what the CFP is about. Or say the G5 has a weak representative, but were using Auto-Bids and the 2 wild-card teams made it and had a strong 3rd, there you go again. It's all about content and what keeps your attention.

(01-05-2018 02:30 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  The only answer is a 16 team playoff that includes every conference.

Or 12 team, but yes. This is the only way to stop a team like UCF from claiming a national title via the selectors that the NCAA approve.