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(01-03-2018 11:55 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
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(01-03-2018 08:06 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  If the B1G came calling for Oklahoma don't you think OU would accept B1G without a partner?

Taking a cue from the GT to B1G thread we have currently operating, the B1G doesn't necessarily need adjacent universities.

B1G could grab OU the second they are available and scoop up UConn since they aren't tied to the ACC grant of rights.

If the choice is between Kansas and UConn I'm thinking UConn as the upside school.


The question is if the BIG 10 wants UConn. (small market) or get UMass. (Gillette Stadium, Boston market, similar rankings in academics as UConn.)
UConn has issues in football but so does Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Purdue. P5 level facilities but limitations in recruiting base.
UConn's men's basketball program appears to have followed the football program in falling off a cliff. I imagine that would give KU the edge, especially if OU tags along.
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Glad something new and enlightening was brought to the table.

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(01-03-2018 05:40 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  If/when OU moves to another conference, is this a fair characterization of preference for their partner

Fans/boosters/new conference: UT
The Oklahoma state legislature: OSU

No....absolutely not. As a native Okie that has closely followed both the political climate and the relationship between OU and OSU, for about 50 years, I assure you the Oklahoma State Legislature has no bearing on whether OU and OSU stay together or not. In fact there is an old law passed back around 1940 that seems to actually forbid the Legislature from such action.

I have posted this info before in response to one of Frank's post and in reading his post on this thread, he seems to acknowledge that the notion of OU having to take OSU is maybe perceived and not realistic.

OU and OSU each have their own Board of Regents, BUT both of those boards report to the State Board of Regents for Higher Education, which governs all State Colleges and Universities within the State. So they ultimately report to the same board.

The Universities have always cooperated on educational matters. Working through the State Board of Regents they tried to eliminate duplication where possible. I am talking about the schools of medicine, law, architecture, veterinary medicine, geology, petroleum engineering etc.

There is a very close and cooperative relationship between OU and OSU. Both Universities would very much like to stay together.... but they will go their separate ways if necessary. OSU will not stand in the way of OU going to the Big10. Neither will the State Legislature.

OU once before left OSU for another conference and the Legislature did nothing.

On top of all that, I would point out that about 70-80% of the people in Oklahoma are OU football fans. Any state politician that would oppose OU going to the Big10 alone would be committing political suicide.


As for UT....a lot of OU fans would prefer that OU be in a separate conference. Most probably do not care if they are with UT or not. Certainly most do NOT see staying with UT as necessary.
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(01-04-2018 11:14 AM)bluesox Wrote:  My guess would be OU would only go to the sec with OK state but would join the big 10 with KU. Of course, since Texas is the real prize how they figure into moves is the mystery. Hard to see the sec not counter with OU and OK state combo to prevent OU joining the big 10. The sec having UGA beat OU which prevented the OU-Alabama game in Atlanta probably set back the sec efforts to land OU since the OU bigwigs would have liked that atmosphere. I still think the pac 12 jumping to 18 or 20 with big 12 schools is the best move for everyone, given the geography 16 doesn’t really work for the pac 12 if it adds big 12 schools

I believe you have stated it correctly.
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(01-03-2018 08:06 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  If the B1G came calling for Oklahoma don't you think OU would accept B1G without a partner?

Taking a cue from the GT to B1G thread we have currently operating, the B1G doesn't necessarily need adjacent universities.

B1G could grab OU the second they are available and scoop up UConn since they aren't tied to the ACC grant of rights.

If the choice is between Kansas and UConn I'm thinking UConn as the upside school.

There's not even a debate here--if Oklahoma joins the Big Ten they join with basketball blueblood and AAU member Kansas
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OU should do an ND type deal with the AAC.

That way the AAC can become a contract conference.

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Thanks for the insider information SMU!

Kitten: what is a "contract conference"?
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(01-04-2018 04:03 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 05:40 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  If/when OU moves to another conference, is this a fair characterization of preference for their partner

Fans/boosters/new conference: UT
The Oklahoma state legislature: OSU

No....absolutely not. As a native Okie that has closely followed both the political climate and the relationship between OU and OSU, for about 50 years, I assure you the Oklahoma State Legislature has no bearing on whether OU and OSU stay together or not. In fact there is an old law passed back around 1940 that seems to actually forbid the Legislature from such action.

I have posted this info before in response to one of Frank's post and in reading his post on this thread, he seems to acknowledge that the notion of OU having to take OSU is maybe perceived and not realistic.

OU and OSU each have their own Board of Regents, BUT both of those boards report to the State Board of Regents for Higher Education, which governs all State Colleges and Universities within the State. So they ultimately report to the same board.

The Universities have always cooperated on educational matters. Working through the State Board of Regents they tried to eliminate duplication where possible. I am talking about the schools of medicine, law, architecture, veterinary medicine, geology, petroleum engineering etc.

There is a very close and cooperative relationship between OU and OSU. Both Universities would very much like to stay together.... but they will go their separate ways if necessary. OSU will not stand in the way of OU going to the Big10. Neither will the State Legislature.

OU once before left OSU for another conference and the Legislature did nothing.

On top of all that, I would point out that about 70-80% of the people in Oklahoma are OU football fans. Any state politician that would oppose OU going to the Big10 alone would be committing political suicide.


As for UT....a lot of OU fans would prefer that OU be in a separate conference. Most probably do not care if they are with UT or not. Certainly most do NOT see staying with UT as necessary.

I can vouch for what SMUMustangs is saying here. He said it better than I could.

When and if push comes to shove, OU will be allowed to leave OSU if necessary. It would not be the optimal political situation, but it would be allowed to happen.

The outgoing president of OU has family connections to OSU. As former governor and senator, there is even a building at OSU named after him. As an experienced and savvy politician, he has been looking out for OSU along with OU. Yes, there are political considerations, but there is absolutely nothing official keeping OU and OSU in the same conference.

KU and K-State are a slightly different story. They are governed by the same board of regents. The politics would be more difficult, but KU would ultimately be allowed to move to the B1G if it were the only opportunity for the state to have a power conference school.

OU and Texas are a marriage of convenience. They were in separate conferences for 77 years. As long as the rivalry is preserved, they do not have to be in the same conference.
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(01-04-2018 08:53 PM)johnintx Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 04:03 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 05:40 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  If/when OU moves to another conference, is this a fair characterization of preference for their partner

Fans/boosters/new conference: UT
The Oklahoma state legislature: OSU

No....absolutely not. As a native Okie that has closely followed both the political climate and the relationship between OU and OSU, for about 50 years, I assure you the Oklahoma State Legislature has no bearing on whether OU and OSU stay together or not. In fact there is an old law passed back around 1940 that seems to actually forbid the Legislature from such action.

I have posted this info before in response to one of Frank's post and in reading his post on this thread, he seems to acknowledge that the notion of OU having to take OSU is maybe perceived and not realistic.

OU and OSU each have their own Board of Regents, BUT both of those boards report to the State Board of Regents for Higher Education, which governs all State Colleges and Universities within the State. So they ultimately report to the same board.

The Universities have always cooperated on educational matters. Working through the State Board of Regents they tried to eliminate duplication where possible. I am talking about the schools of medicine, law, architecture, veterinary medicine, geology, petroleum engineering etc.

There is a very close and cooperative relationship between OU and OSU. Both Universities would very much like to stay together.... but they will go their separate ways if necessary. OSU will not stand in the way of OU going to the Big10. Neither will the State Legislature.

OU once before left OSU for another conference and the Legislature did nothing.

On top of all that, I would point out that about 70-80% of the people in Oklahoma are OU football fans. Any state politician that would oppose OU going to the Big10 alone would be committing political suicide.


As for UT....a lot of OU fans would prefer that OU be in a separate conference. Most probably do not care if they are with UT or not. Certainly most do NOT see staying with UT as necessary.

I can vouch for what SMUMustangs is saying here. He said it better than I could.

When and if push comes to shove, OU will be allowed to leave OSU if necessary. It would not be the optimal political situation, but it would be allowed to happen.

The outgoing president of OU has family connections to OSU. As former governor and senator, there is even a building at OSU named after him. As an experienced and savvy politician, he has been looking out for OSU along with OU. Yes, there are political considerations, but there is absolutely nothing official keeping OU and OSU in the same conference.

KU and K-State are a slightly different story. They are governed by the same board of regents. The politics would be more difficult, but KU would ultimately be allowed to move to the B1G if it were the only opportunity for the state to have a power conference school.

OU and Texas are a marriage of convenience. They were in separate conferences for 77 years. As long as the rivalry is preserved, they do not have to be in the same conference.

I would think that the primary considerations that will have to be weighed are:

1. What is best for the Oklahoma Athletic Program as a whole and where do their collection of sports fit best.

2. Where will they get enough total revenue to be able to continue to upgrade facilities. Travel crowd size, distance to venues, and ticket prices will have a lot to with this. And it will account along with donations for a much higher % of revenue than just TV contracts.

3. Fan accessibility and geography will play a role, as well as games they want to see.


I think the academic issue is overstated. Where a school plays its sports has little to do with its academic associations and the Big 10 can't garner AAU status for them. They have to do that for themselves.

And, whether OSU travels with them would be just a plus.

So I would just say that Oklahoma would essentially have its pick of where they end up. The usual message board hooey will have little to do with it. It will be a practical business decision if/when that time comes and one that weighs as best it can all of the ramifications of moving.
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Piggy backing on what JR said, I think if the Sooners had to pick a new P5 league today I think they lean towards the better cultural fit and go with the SEC. I think the Big Ten has a ton to offer and that a PAC 16 would bring balance to the P4 but ultimately I see the creation of a Southern juggernaut.
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