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RE: Game Day: @BSU
(01-03-2018 09:57 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 09:51 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 08:57 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 08:53 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 08:07 AM)emu79 Wrote:  This team has a trend of playing well the first half (IU, Syracuse, Oakland and Ball St) and falling off the second half.

Lack of a bench??

Interesting in all of these games the first half our opponents did not shot well against our zone. Second half they lit it up. Lack of adjustment on our part?

This is 'above my pay grade' (that old expression).

I don't know if the sub-par second half has do to their adjustment OR our starters becoming tired on the defensive end, and a step slow?

That said, I did NOT consider all of the frosh newcomers a plus. No knock on frosh, but too many freshmen is appropriate for a rebuilding, not contending team.

We have a real hole at backup center (King will be a player in time, but he is a frosh today). We could use another experienced SG.

One could easily argue the difference between this team being 12 - 6 or 13 - 5 and say 10 - 8 is an experienced backup center who can hold the fort when he needs to play 10 - 15 minutes.

To be 12 - 6 or better a team better not have too many holes... And for those who have a love for BSU they did not win 12 conference games last year or the year before. We (some poster) are holding EMU to a difference standard than say BSU.

BSU goes 11 - 7 and 10 - 8 the last two season and posters make them out to be like the great BSU teams of the late 80s (Rick Majerus' teams).
Steve,

After watching BSU yesterday, I certainly don't think they are a high caliber team. I think they are a very good MAC team but not a great MAC team. It's frustrating that the MAC is ripe for the taking for well coached teams. I've also looked at Buffalo and WMU and I believe EMU has more talent than they do. We've been down this road before......

My question was a discussion question. Your observation that the starters get tired may be very accurate.
01-03-2018 10:08 AM
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RE: Game Day: @BSU
(01-03-2018 09:57 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 09:51 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 08:57 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 08:53 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 08:07 AM)emu79 Wrote:  This team has a trend of playing well the first half (IU, Syracuse, Oakland and Ball St) and falling off the second half.

Lack of a bench??

Interesting in all of these games the first half our opponents did not shot well against our zone. Second half they lit it up. Lack of adjustment on our part?

This is 'above my pay grade' (that old expression).

I don't know if the sub-par second half has do to their adjustment OR our starters becoming tired on the defensive end, and a step slow?

That said, I did NOT consider all of the frosh newcomers a plus. No knock on frosh, but too many freshmen is appropriate for a rebuilding, not contending team.

We have a real hole at backup center (King will be a player in time, but he is a frosh today). We could use another experienced SG.

One could easily argue the difference between this team being 12 - 6 or 13 - 5 and say 10 - 8 is an experienced backup center who can hold the fort when he needs to play 10 - 15 minutes.

To be 12 - 6 or better a team better not have too many holes... And for those who have a love for BSU they did not win 12 conference games last year or the year before. We (some poster) are holding EMU to a difference standard than say BSU.

BSU goes 11 - 7 and 10 - 8 the last two season and posters make them out to be like the great BSU teams of the late 80s (Rick Majerus' teams).
Steve,

After watching BSU yesterday, I certainly don't think they are a high caliber team. I think they are a very good MAC team but not a great MAC team. It's frustrating that the MAC is ripe for the taking for well coached teams. I've also looked at Buffalo and WMU and I believe EMU has more talent than they do. We've been down this road before......

Guys, I don't know basketball as an analyst, e.g., double high post screens, with a baseline cutter receiving the pass, etc. etc.

I think I can analyze things as a knowledgeable fan.

1). I can see when the rotation gets very, very short and players get tired in the second half and shots no longer fall and they are a step slow on closeouts.

2). Lack of ability at certain positions OR skills (3-ball for example).

3). I can see, usually early, if the refs are going to take JT4 out of his game. But to be honest, opposing teams KNOW that getting JT4 out of the game increases their chances of winning. That is the inheritant risk of a big man - teams will try to get him in foul trouble. Shooting guards never foul out.

4). I also know when a team is at a scheduling disadvantage. Last night was one. BSU has been at home for the 7th straight time. HAS to be a big plus shooting at the baskets you shoot at every day!

5). FIVE of six home teams won last night. Three of the home teams ran away with their games in the 2nd half (BSU, CMU, and NIU). Why get upset if your (our) team was one of the 5 who lost on the road, losing to a very good team. Okay to get upset if the team loses at home (looking at you, BG).

6). I also realize that in conference play, things even up. BSU has to come to us and we'll have the advantages. Odds makers who have never seen BSU and EMU play, know you add 3 or 4 points to BSU when they are at home and add the like to EMU when we host BSU. We'd been the favorites if the game last night was in Ypsi.
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Yeah, I'm not ready to judge our season based on this loss. Some posters have pointed out some real problems, especially the lack of depth (or Murphy's insistence on not using that depth). He's going to burn Jackson and Minnie out, if he keeps playing them this many minutes. Especially with the way Jackson played yesterday (not great), you can't tell me that playing Ellison for 5 minutes would've killed us. I haven't been happy with how he's used the bench this year...these young guys won't get better by riding pine. It's pretty evident to me that Murphy is coaching for his job this season.

On the bright side, we took one of the two or three best teams in the conference to the wire in their building, where they've kicked our asses each of the last two years. Our starting five is as good as any that Murphy has had, and we should feast on the lesser teams in the conference. Key word is "should". If we don't start incorporating our bench, I could see our key guys start to lose effectiveness. And that will likely lead us to a new coaching search in April.
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I will say this for everyone hoping to get a new coach in here: be careful what you wish for. If we do move on, Wetherbee better hit a home run with his hire. For all of Murphy's faults, he has always put a competitive product on the court. You could only say that for literally ONE season in Ramsey's case. But at least he ran a man-to-man defense.

If we aren't going to pony up for a decent coaching prospect, then we might as well keep Murphy.
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RE: Game Day: @BSU
(01-03-2018 12:00 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  I will say this for everyone hoping to get a new coach in here: be careful what you wish for. If we do move on, Wetherbee better hit a home run with his hire. For all of Murphy's faults, he has always put a competitive product on the court. You could only say that for literally ONE season in Ramsey's case. But at least he ran a man-to-man defense.

If we aren't going to pony up for a decent coaching prospect, then we might as well keep Murphy.

And look at that disaster at UDM. They got the man they wanted, a UDM alum, UofM assistant coach and look at that dumpster fire... .279 win percentage according to Wikipedia today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacari_Alexander
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RE: Game Day: @BSU
(01-03-2018 12:00 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  I will say this for everyone hoping to get a new coach in here: be careful what you wish for. If we do move on, Wetherbee better hit a home run with his hire. For all of Murphy's faults, he has always put a competitive product on the court. You could only say that for literally ONE season in Ramsey's case. But at least he ran a man-to-man defense.

If we aren't going to pony up for a decent coaching prospect, then we might as well keep Murphy.

and Wetherbee better find the extra $$$$$ in his budget, Murphy for all his faults is a bargain at his current salary. Also it would nice to find extra $$$ in the budget to get some decent home and away deals in a radius of Chicago Cleveland Dayton and Indy.
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RE: Game Day: @BSU
(01-03-2018 01:14 AM)holybovine Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 12:18 AM)emdypo Wrote:  This team is talented enough to avoid a seven game losing streak like last year during the MAC season. But, scheme and coaching will likely hold this team back from reaching its full potential. It's been talked about many times, but at some point we will have to face the reality that Murphy is probably one of the best recruiters in the MAC, and possibly one of the worst in-game coaches. He has mismanaged games and players for his entire tenure, leaves players in with foul trouble, too long (Thompson), pulls players too often and messes with their confidence (Lee). Murphy's rotation of players in the past has been a detriment to allowing players to get into any type of rhythm. I think if Ray Lee played as out of control, and took some of the shots that Jackson takes, he would have spent the next five minutes on the bench. And that's part of the problem, Murphy is so temperamental, his players have no idea what to expect from him. With talent like Thompson, Minnie, Jackson, Bond, etc... there is no reason this shouldn't be a top MAC team, but we are 9-5 and 0-1 in the MAC, this time last year we were 9-5 an 1-0 in the MAC. Because Murphy is a great recruiter we are an average MAC program, and because he is such a terrible in-game coach, we are an average MAC program. I don't know the answer, but how many more years of mediocre performance do we need to see out of Murphy led teams. I will tell you that I believe other programs in the MAC, and around the country are doing more with less talent, and that goes entirely to coaching.

Dead on my friend. Bullseye.

Boone would have done a whole more with these guys than Murphy but then again if Boone were the coach he would not been able to recruit them. We are where we are with Murphy, lotsa talent but most likely a .500 season, which bye the way is better than when he got here. Let him finish the contract and then we can go fishing for better.
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