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RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-15-2018 09:14 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 08:24 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 08:10 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 04:49 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 09:33 PM)XLance Wrote:  Notre Dame will stay semi-independent as long as they can, which will probably be a few more years.

As they should.

ND is a national brand because they chose to play a national schedule as an independent as opposed to a regional one in the Big Ten.

Notre Dame upgraded their conference affiliation when they moved to the ACC. They still keep their Eastern basketball ties and historic football rivalries but now add better slate of 5 conference games.

I could see more independents added in the future vs less as larger conferences will run into scheduling issues. Soon.

Doubtful. Too hard to schedule especially late in the season.

Agreed if there’s only a couple but if several go independent then it’d be much easier.

Notre Dame is an anomaly and it's not easy for them. Notre Dame's TV revenue take is roughly 22 million for their independence. That's 7 million less than the PAC and 5 million less than the ACC. Now ND gets a bit from the ACC as well, but even with that it doesn't even put them at Big 12 levels of pay. My point is that the draw of a top conference trumps the draw of any of its single members including Alabama, Ohio State, USC, Texas, and North Carolina. The days of independence is not rewarded as well as the days of conferences. Conferences of multiple brands will be the big pay day of the future. Not conferences built around two brands and that is why Texas and OU can't rebuild the Big 12 without top brands, and why top brands aren't sold on going to the Big 12.

Maybe my point was missed. The initial point brought up was that scheduling would be difficult but I disagree. With more independents, they would just schedule each other. More independents = more scheduling opportunities. I’m not saying they could schedule like Notre Dame or make independent money like them either, but rather that scheduling wouldn’t be as difficult with more independents.
01-16-2018 12:15 AM
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RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-16-2018 12:15 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 09:14 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 08:24 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 08:10 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 04:49 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  As they should.

ND is a national brand because they chose to play a national schedule as an independent as opposed to a regional one in the Big Ten.

Notre Dame upgraded their conference affiliation when they moved to the ACC. They still keep their Eastern basketball ties and historic football rivalries but now add better slate of 5 conference games.

I could see more independents added in the future vs less as larger conferences will run into scheduling issues. Soon.

Doubtful. Too hard to schedule especially late in the season.

Agreed if there’s only a couple but if several go independent then it’d be much easier.

Notre Dame is an anomaly and it's not easy for them. Notre Dame's TV revenue take is roughly 22 million for their independence. That's 7 million less than the PAC and 5 million less than the ACC. Now ND gets a bit from the ACC as well, but even with that it doesn't even put them at Big 12 levels of pay. My point is that the draw of a top conference trumps the draw of any of its single members including Alabama, Ohio State, USC, Texas, and North Carolina. The days of independence is not rewarded as well as the days of conferences. Conferences of multiple brands will be the big pay day of the future. Not conferences built around two brands and that is why Texas and OU can't rebuild the Big 12 without top brands, and why top brands aren't sold on going to the Big 12.

Maybe my point was missed. The initial point brought up was that scheduling would be difficult but I disagree. With more independents, they would just schedule each other. More independents = more scheduling opportunities. I’m not saying they could schedule like Notre Dame or make independent money like them either, but rather that scheduling wouldn’t be as difficult with more independents.

I didn't miss your point. But you sure missed mine. There aren't going to be more independents because they can't make enough money that way. So that kind of leaves N.D. with that late season scheduling issue, huh?
01-16-2018 12:18 AM
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RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-16-2018 12:18 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 12:15 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 09:14 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 08:24 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 08:10 PM)XLance Wrote:  Doubtful. Too hard to schedule especially late in the season.

Agreed if there’s only a couple but if several go independent then it’d be much easier.

Notre Dame is an anomaly and it's not easy for them. Notre Dame's TV revenue take is roughly 22 million for their independence. That's 7 million less than the PAC and 5 million less than the ACC. Now ND gets a bit from the ACC as well, but even with that it doesn't even put them at Big 12 levels of pay. My point is that the draw of a top conference trumps the draw of any of its single members including Alabama, Ohio State, USC, Texas, and North Carolina. The days of independence is not rewarded as well as the days of conferences. Conferences of multiple brands will be the big pay day of the future. Not conferences built around two brands and that is why Texas and OU can't rebuild the Big 12 without top brands, and why top brands aren't sold on going to the Big 12.

Maybe my point was missed. The initial point brought up was that scheduling would be difficult but I disagree. With more independents, they would just schedule each other. More independents = more scheduling opportunities. I’m not saying they could schedule like Notre Dame or make independent money like them either, but rather that scheduling wouldn’t be as difficult with more independents.

I didn't miss your point. But you sure missed mine. There aren't going to be more independents because they can't make enough money that way. So that kind of leaves N.D. with that late season scheduling issue, huh?

Lol, okay
01-16-2018 01:59 AM
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RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-16-2018 12:15 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 09:14 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 08:24 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 08:10 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 04:49 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  As they should.

ND is a national brand because they chose to play a national schedule as an independent as opposed to a regional one in the Big Ten.

Notre Dame upgraded their conference affiliation when they moved to the ACC. They still keep their Eastern basketball ties and historic football rivalries but now add better slate of 5 conference games.

I could see more independents added in the future vs less as larger conferences will run into scheduling issues. Soon.

Doubtful. Too hard to schedule especially late in the season.

Agreed if there’s only a couple but if several go independent then it’d be much easier.

Notre Dame is an anomaly and it's not easy for them. Notre Dame's TV revenue take is roughly 22 million for their independence. That's 7 million less than the PAC and 5 million less than the ACC. Now ND gets a bit from the ACC as well, but even with that it doesn't even put them at Big 12 levels of pay. My point is that the draw of a top conference trumps the draw of any of its single members including Alabama, Ohio State, USC, Texas, and North Carolina. The days of independence is not rewarded as well as the days of conferences. Conferences of multiple brands will be the big pay day of the future. Not conferences built around two brands and that is why Texas and OU can't rebuild the Big 12 without top brands, and why top brands aren't sold on going to the Big 12.

Maybe my point was missed. The initial point brought up was that scheduling would be difficult but I disagree. With more independents, they would just schedule each other. More independents = more scheduling opportunities. I’m not saying they could schedule like Notre Dame or make independent money like them either, but rather that scheduling wouldn’t be as difficult with more independents.

ND also gets $6.4 million from the ACC for its other sports and will get a full share of the ACC Network profits, if any.

So, that is $28.4 million or so a year from TV. ND thinks that is "good enough" as it allows football to continue to remain independent, which is its primary CR goal.
01-16-2018 09:44 AM
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RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-14-2018 06:07 PM)TerryD Wrote:  ND football is not going to join the Big Ten, a fantasy addition of Southern Cal and Stanford to the latter notwithstanding.

Why do people keep dredging up "ND to the Big Ten" scenarios?

ND football is not likely to join the ACC , let alone the Big Ten.

Same reason people try to put South Carolina going back to the ACC. It's a realignment board and when real news is lacking people need something to talk about.
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