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RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-05-2018 04:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 04:34 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 02:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 02:14 PM)XLance Wrote:  You're wrong JR. The market model is dead only when ESPN says it's dead.







and as long as the SECN contract is in force the market model will live on in some form or fashion.

You are correct about Texas and Oklahoma being a better fit for the SEC than anywhere else except for leading their own conference which we know with the schools that are available that it won't work financially.
The same holds true for a good portion of the ACC being a better fit for the B1G.
Would ESPN sell off the ACCN to the B1G/FOX in exchange for complete control in the rest of the country?
That would create two leagues with 30-34 schools.
The ACC plus the B1G and add Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Colorado, Notre Dame for 33.
The SEC plus the PAC (minus Colorado) adding West Virginia, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU for 32 (you could add BYU to get to 33, too).

There's some kind of weird schadenfreude going on in that post.

But it's not happening.

If the Big 10 ever takes ACC schools it will be the Northeastern ones.

The we have 62 P schools. PAC:12, B1G: 16, ACC: 16, SEC: 18.

The rest of the Big 12 gets absorbed into the AAC or a Western G5 conference.

Why else would ESPN be willing to wait until 2025? They don't want to have to pay all of the Big 12 schools P5 wages.



The only alternative strategy that might one day emerge would be to send Pitt, Syracuse, B.C., N.D., Virginia, Duke and North Carolina to the Big 10 to maximize basketball content value while sending Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Virginia Tech and N.C. State to the SEC for football content value. But that's decades off while there is still a breath in the football lungs in the different regions of the nation. But as that breath dies, I think you will see a concentration in the Southeast and Southwest to keep the sport going.

What I hear most from you Xlance is a pining for the more familial days of the 8 school ACC.

Virginia, Maryland, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest, Clemson, & South Carolina. I can see you still adding Georgia Tech for 9 and Virginia Tech for 10 but that's about what you would love to have. The Northeastern schools don't fit culturally with your core anymore than Florida State and Miami do. And then there is Louisville who crashes the party like no other.

So most of your posts come back to this same theme with some variation of we will self destruct in the Big 10 before we ever concede that the SEC was right in the reasons they left the Southern Conference.

That's fine. And I can identify and accept that. But that's not what ESPN wanted was it? They betrayed the ACC core identity to profit from your product on the cheap and added so many different types of schools that your identity is hard to recognize most days.

I really think you would be happier to lop off the Northern schools, let Florida State, Louisville and Miami come to the SEC, and take Kentucky, South Carolina and Vanderbilt in exchange.

Then you could still have your 12 with 2 divisions.

Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina

Maryland, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest

Is that ACC Nirvana?

Then more in line with what Spurrier suggested the SEC would have:

Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Louisville, Miami, Tennessee

Alabama, Arkansas, L.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M

So if we then picked up Texas and Oklahoma then Alabama would slide East and the conference would be set.

Now I could live with that.

So could I.
And if the B1G could cobble together a group of 28 on the other side then the P4 would have contracted to a manageable number (56) for the next 20 years or so.
It's maybe the only scenario where the B1G would actually consider adding West Virginia for that 28 team total, and they could finally capture the "white whale" too. Boston College, Rutgers, Kansas State, Washington State, and Oregon State are out, as well as TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State.
Add Kansas and Nebraska with the remaining PAC teams for 12 and the others for 16. So you have the B1G and SEC at 16 and the ACC and PAC at 12. Not bad JR.
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But my point was that we can never truly get to a content model as long as the SECN and ACCN as well as the Big Ten Networks exist in their current form (the PAC network just does not count). You're still paying for the cannon fodder in your own conference.
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The only hitch in this approach: But most likely the PAC stays at 12. The Big 10 adds two of Kanas, Iowa State or UConn, the SEC picks up Texa-homa, and the ACC adds West Virginia and N.D. in full. would be IF the B1G were to end up with Kansas and Oklahoma (instead of Iowa State) or insist on Missouri as a ransom to leave Oklahoma alone.

The market mode for T3 rights? Yeah I hope that one lasts otherwise we'll all be making less. But that's the minority of the rights. The T1 and T2 revenue will be determined by eyeballs.

So the PAC stays at 12, the ACC moves to 12. The SEC and Big 10 either to 16 or 18 depending upon the circumstances.

If Texas and OU stonewall because of Tech and OSU we might still have to head to 18.

At that point if Kansas, Missouri, Iowa State and Connecticut become the Big 10's aim then so be it if the schools involved agree.

Then the SEC can consider T.C.U., West Virginia, or some other F.O.T. (friend of Texas).

But I agree that Texas and OU to 16 is the best.

The 2 to take the Big 10 to 16: Notre Dame & Kansas
The 4 to take the Big 10 to 18: Notre Dame, Kansas, Iowa State, Pitt/Syracuse for Maryland

The 2 to take the SEC to 16: Oklahoma & Texas
The 4 to take the SEC to 18: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech.

So the P4 at 56:

B1G:

Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue

Illinois, Northwestern, Ohio State, Wisconsin

Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska

PAC:

California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern Cal, Utah

*************************************************************

SEC:

Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Miami

Alabama, Auburn, Louisville, Tennessee

Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas

Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M


ACC:

Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina

Maryland, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest


I would line up the ACC this way (one permanent crossover)
Duke-State
Carolina-Wake Forest
UVa-Virginia Tech
Md-South Carolina
GT-Clemson
Vandy-Kentucky
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RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
Are we supposed to make an active effort to skew results so that people in particular regions of the country don't feel left out?

I get it that there is perhaps several layers of nuance to this discussion but I keep coming back to that.
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RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-05-2018 05:41 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Are we supposed to make an active effort to skew results so that people in particular regions of the country don't feel left out?

I get it that there is perhaps several layers of nuance to this discussion but I keep coming back to that.

Quite the contrary. The point is to let each region play the games that are most important to it. In a period of further expansion it's more about protecting the regionalism that already exists. This last little exercise is about reestablishing the essence of the ACC, protecting the PAC and allowing the Big 10 and SEC to grow more competitively and somewhat more naturally.

But that's a tangent from the opening part of the thread. This portion is about two leagues of two conferences with 28 schools each which can schedule more regionally and still shrink the P5 to a P4 contained within two leagues totaling 56 schools.
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RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-05-2018 04:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  So the P4 at 56:

B1G:
Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Illinois, Northwestern, Ohio State, Wisconsin
Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska

PAC:
California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern Cal, Utah

*************************************************************

SEC:
Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Miami
Alabama, Auburn, Louisville, Tennessee
Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas
Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M


ACC:
Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina
Maryland, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest

If they go to this model where there is a clear delineation between North/West and South/East with the 4-conference, 2-league model then I could see 1 of 2 things happening:

A) 4 even conferences of 14

or

B) a league semi-final model where the champion of each league plays in the national championship where the 16-team conference in a league is guaranteed 2 spots, the 12-team conference in a league is guaranteed 1 spot, and the 4th spot is a wildcard spot...looks like:

Western League semi-finals include: B1G #1, B1G #2, PAC #1, and either B1G #3 or PAC #2
Eastern League semi-finals include: SEC #1, SEC #2, ACC #1, and either SEC #3 or ACC #2
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RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-05-2018 06:16 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 04:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  So the P4 at 56:

B1G:
Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Illinois, Northwestern, Ohio State, Wisconsin
Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska

PAC:
California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern Cal, Utah

*************************************************************

SEC:
Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Miami
Alabama, Auburn, Louisville, Tennessee
Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas
Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M


ACC:
Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina
Maryland, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest

If they go to this model where there is a clear delineation between North/West and South/East with the 4-conference, 2-league model then I could see 1 of 2 things happening:

A) 4 even conferences of 14

or

B) a league semi-final model where the champion of each league plays in the national championship where the 16-team conference in a league is guaranteed 2 spots, the 12-team conference in a league is guaranteed 1 spot, and the 4th spot is a wildcard spot...looks like:

Western League semi-finals include: B1G #1, B1G #2, PAC #1, and either B1G #3 or PAC #2
Eastern League semi-finals include: SEC #1, SEC #2, ACC #1, and either SEC #3 or ACC #2

Four conferences of 14?
Where can you find two schools to add to the PAC that would enhance that conference? BYU? Just won't fly in the political climate of California. Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma or Texas? Every one of these schools are better off where JR has placed them than if they joined the PAC. The 16 + 12 format may not look even, but the placement works and insulates schools in environments where they are most comfortable.
As to your playoff suggestion........maybe instead of making it so rigid, you could just say that each league of 28 would get three spots in a 6 team playoff, with each conference guaranteed at least one spot. You take the 4 champions and the best remaining school out of each league. Or in an 8 team playoff, each division winner could play in a league championship series eliminating the conference championship (i.e. PAC north vs B1G east, PAC south vs B1G west to get down to two, perhaps rotating divisional opponents every year). This gets you back to a final four in a true tournament format.
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RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-05-2018 02:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 02:14 PM)XLance Wrote:  You're wrong JR. The market model is dead only when ESPN says it's dead.







and as long as the SECN contract is in force the market model will live on in some form or fashion.

You are correct about Texas and Oklahoma being a better fit for the SEC than anywhere else except for leading their own conference which we know with the schools that are available that it won't work financially.
The same holds true for a good portion of the ACC being a better fit for the B1G.
Would ESPN sell off the ACCN to the B1G/FOX in exchange for complete control in the rest of the country?
That would create two leagues with 30-34 schools.
The ACC plus the B1G and add Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Colorado, Notre Dame for 33.
The SEC plus the PAC (minus Colorado) adding West Virginia, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU for 32 (you could add BYU to get to 33, too).

There's some kind of weird schadenfreude going on in that post.

But it's not happening.

If the Big 10 ever takes ACC schools it will be the Northeastern ones. But most likely the PAC stays at 12. The Big 10 adds two of Kanas, Iowa State or UConn, the SEC picks up Texa-homa, and the ACC adds West Virginia and N.D. in full.

The we have 62 P schools. PAC:12, B1G: 16, ACC: 16, SEC: 18.

The rest of the Big 12 gets absorbed into the AAC or a Western G5 conference.

Why else would ESPN be willing to wait until 2025? They don't want to have to pay all of the Big 12 schools P5 wages.

The only alternative strategy that might one day emerge would be to send Pitt, Syracuse, B.C., N.D., Virginia, Duke and North Carolina to the Big 10 to maximize basketball content value while sending Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Virginia Tech and N.C. State to the SEC for football content value. But that's decades off while there is still a breath in the football lungs in the different regions of the nation. But as that breath dies, I think you will see a concentration in the Southeast and Southwest to keep the sport going.

What I hear most from you Xlance is a pining for the more familial days of the 8 school ACC.

Virginia, Maryland, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest, Clemson, & South Carolina. I can see you still adding Georgia Tech for 9 and Virginia Tech for 10 but that's about what you would love to have. The Northeastern schools don't fit culturally with your core anymore than Florida State and Miami do. And then there is Louisville who crashes the party like no other.

So most of your posts come back to this same theme with some variation of we will self destruct in the Big 10 before we ever concede that the SEC was right in the reasons they left the Southern Conference.

That's fine. And I can identify and accept that. But that's not what ESPN wanted was it? They betrayed the ACC core identity to profit from your product on the cheap and added so many different types of schools that your identity is hard to recognize most days.

I really think you would be happier to lop off the Northern schools, let Florida State, Louisville and Miami come to the SEC, and take Kentucky, South Carolina and Vanderbilt in exchange.

Then you could still have your 12 with 2 divisions.

Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina

Maryland, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest

Is that ACC Nirvana?

Then more in line with what Spurrier suggested the SEC would have:

Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Louisville, Miami, Tennessee

Alabama, Arkansas, L.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M

So if we then picked up Texas and Oklahoma then Alabama would slide East and the conference would be set.

Now I could live with that.

That may be nirvana for Lance and other ACC schools but that would be more akin to "hell" for Clemson.
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RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-06-2018 09:54 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 06:16 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 04:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  So the P4 at 56:

B1G:
Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Illinois, Northwestern, Ohio State, Wisconsin
Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska

PAC:
California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern Cal, Utah

*************************************************************

SEC:
Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Miami
Alabama, Auburn, Louisville, Tennessee
Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas
Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M


ACC:
Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina
Maryland, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest

If they go to this model where there is a clear delineation between North/West and South/East with the 4-conference, 2-league model then I could see 1 of 2 things happening:

A) 4 even conferences of 14

or

B) a league semi-final model where the champion of each league plays in the national championship where the 16-team conference in a league is guaranteed 2 spots, the 12-team conference in a league is guaranteed 1 spot, and the 4th spot is a wildcard spot...looks like:

Western League semi-finals include: B1G #1, B1G #2, PAC #1, and either B1G #3 or PAC #2
Eastern League semi-finals include: SEC #1, SEC #2, ACC #1, and either SEC #3 or ACC #2

Four conferences of 14?
Where can you find two schools to add to the PAC that would enhance that conference? BYU? Just won't fly in the political climate of California. Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma or Texas? Every one of these schools are better off where JR has placed them than if they joined the PAC. The 16 + 12 format may not look even, but the placement works and insulates schools in environments where they are most comfortable.
As to your playoff suggestion........maybe instead of making it so rigid, you could just say that each league of 28 would get three spots in a 6 team playoff, with each conference guaranteed at least one spot. You take the 4 champions and the best remaining school out of each league. Or in an 8 team playoff, each division winner could play in a league championship series eliminating the conference championship (i.e. PAC north vs B1G east, PAC south vs B1G west to get down to two, perhaps rotating divisional opponents every year). This gets you back to a final four in a true tournament format.

I would only use the 56 chosen schools. So not BYU. Just a thought to even them out, not a requirement.

I like the 6 team playoff idea.
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(01-06-2018 10:50 AM)IR4CU Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 02:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 02:14 PM)XLance Wrote:  You're wrong JR. The market model is dead only when ESPN says it's dead.







and as long as the SECN contract is in force the market model will live on in some form or fashion.

You are correct about Texas and Oklahoma being a better fit for the SEC than anywhere else except for leading their own conference which we know with the schools that are available that it won't work financially.
The same holds true for a good portion of the ACC being a better fit for the B1G.
Would ESPN sell off the ACCN to the B1G/FOX in exchange for complete control in the rest of the country?
That would create two leagues with 30-34 schools.
The ACC plus the B1G and add Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Colorado, Notre Dame for 33.
The SEC plus the PAC (minus Colorado) adding West Virginia, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU for 32 (you could add BYU to get to 33, too).

There's some kind of weird schadenfreude going on in that post.

But it's not happening.

If the Big 10 ever takes ACC schools it will be the Northeastern ones. But most likely the PAC stays at 12. The Big 10 adds two of Kanas, Iowa State or UConn, the SEC picks up Texa-homa, and the ACC adds West Virginia and N.D. in full.

The we have 62 P schools. PAC:12, B1G: 16, ACC: 16, SEC: 18.

The rest of the Big 12 gets absorbed into the AAC or a Western G5 conference.

Why else would ESPN be willing to wait until 2025? They don't want to have to pay all of the Big 12 schools P5 wages.

The only alternative strategy that might one day emerge would be to send Pitt, Syracuse, B.C., N.D., Virginia, Duke and North Carolina to the Big 10 to maximize basketball content value while sending Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Virginia Tech and N.C. State to the SEC for football content value. But that's decades off while there is still a breath in the football lungs in the different regions of the nation. But as that breath dies, I think you will see a concentration in the Southeast and Southwest to keep the sport going.

What I hear most from you Xlance is a pining for the more familial days of the 8 school ACC.

Virginia, Maryland, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest, Clemson, & South Carolina. I can see you still adding Georgia Tech for 9 and Virginia Tech for 10 but that's about what you would love to have. The Northeastern schools don't fit culturally with your core anymore than Florida State and Miami do. And then there is Louisville who crashes the party like no other.

So most of your posts come back to this same theme with some variation of we will self destruct in the Big 10 before we ever concede that the SEC was right in the reasons they left the Southern Conference.

That's fine. And I can identify and accept that. But that's not what ESPN wanted was it? They betrayed the ACC core identity to profit from your product on the cheap and added so many different types of schools that your identity is hard to recognize most days.

I really think you would be happier to lop off the Northern schools, let Florida State, Louisville and Miami come to the SEC, and take Kentucky, South Carolina and Vanderbilt in exchange.

Then you could still have your 12 with 2 divisions.

Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina

Maryland, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest

Is that ACC Nirvana?

Then more in line with what Spurrier suggested the SEC would have:

Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Louisville, Miami, Tennessee

Alabama, Arkansas, L.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M

So if we then picked up Texas and Oklahoma then Alabama would slide East and the conference would be set.

Now I could live with that.

That may be nirvana for Lance and other ACC schools but that would be more akin to "hell" for Clemson.

Clemson is and always will be the George Bailey of the ACC, and for filling that role so dutifully, Clemson has garnered tremendous respect within the league.
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(01-07-2018 08:35 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 10:50 AM)IR4CU Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 02:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 02:14 PM)XLance Wrote:  You're wrong JR. The market model is dead only when ESPN says it's dead.







and as long as the SECN contract is in force the market model will live on in some form or fashion.

You are correct about Texas and Oklahoma being a better fit for the SEC than anywhere else except for leading their own conference which we know with the schools that are available that it won't work financially.
The same holds true for a good portion of the ACC being a better fit for the B1G.
Would ESPN sell off the ACCN to the B1G/FOX in exchange for complete control in the rest of the country?
That would create two leagues with 30-34 schools.
The ACC plus the B1G and add Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Colorado, Notre Dame for 33.
The SEC plus the PAC (minus Colorado) adding West Virginia, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU for 32 (you could add BYU to get to 33, too).

There's some kind of weird schadenfreude going on in that post.

But it's not happening.

If the Big 10 ever takes ACC schools it will be the Northeastern ones. But most likely the PAC stays at 12. The Big 10 adds two of Kanas, Iowa State or UConn, the SEC picks up Texa-homa, and the ACC adds West Virginia and N.D. in full.

The we have 62 P schools. PAC:12, B1G: 16, ACC: 16, SEC: 18.

The rest of the Big 12 gets absorbed into the AAC or a Western G5 conference.

Why else would ESPN be willing to wait until 2025? They don't want to have to pay all of the Big 12 schools P5 wages.

The only alternative strategy that might one day emerge would be to send Pitt, Syracuse, B.C., N.D., Virginia, Duke and North Carolina to the Big 10 to maximize basketball content value while sending Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Virginia Tech and N.C. State to the SEC for football content value. But that's decades off while there is still a breath in the football lungs in the different regions of the nation. But as that breath dies, I think you will see a concentration in the Southeast and Southwest to keep the sport going.

What I hear most from you Xlance is a pining for the more familial days of the 8 school ACC.

Virginia, Maryland, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest, Clemson, & South Carolina. I can see you still adding Georgia Tech for 9 and Virginia Tech for 10 but that's about what you would love to have. The Northeastern schools don't fit culturally with your core anymore than Florida State and Miami do. And then there is Louisville who crashes the party like no other.

So most of your posts come back to this same theme with some variation of we will self destruct in the Big 10 before we ever concede that the SEC was right in the reasons they left the Southern Conference.

That's fine. And I can identify and accept that. But that's not what ESPN wanted was it? They betrayed the ACC core identity to profit from your product on the cheap and added so many different types of schools that your identity is hard to recognize most days.

I really think you would be happier to lop off the Northern schools, let Florida State, Louisville and Miami come to the SEC, and take Kentucky, South Carolina and Vanderbilt in exchange.

Then you could still have your 12 with 2 divisions.

Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina

Maryland, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest

Is that ACC Nirvana?

Then more in line with what Spurrier suggested the SEC would have:

Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Louisville, Miami, Tennessee

Alabama, Arkansas, L.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M

So if we then picked up Texas and Oklahoma then Alabama would slide East and the conference would be set.

Now I could live with that.

That may be nirvana for Lance and other ACC schools but that would be more akin to "hell" for Clemson.

Clemson is and always will be the George Bailey of the ACC, and for filling that role so dutifully, Clemson has garnered tremendous respect within the league.

Well Lance, I doubt Clarence Odbody has ever visited Clemson but I would classify Clemson's time in the ACC as "It's a Pretty Good Life". Certainly not wonderful but pretty good for the most part. However, if I was looking for football nirvana for Clemson (purely from a fan's perspective), it would look like this ....

East: Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Clemson, South Carolina, Florida, FSU

West: LSU, Arkansas, Mississippi, Miss State, Texas A&M, Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee

Clemson would have a much tougher time in football and would certainly lose more games but darn if there would not be some awesome and very exciting schedules EACH and EVERY year.

Keep the ACC as it is now (minus Clemson & Ga Tech) and add Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Mizzou, and Kansas - now that would be basketball nirvana for the ACC.
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(01-05-2018 05:41 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Are we supposed to make an active effort to skew results so that people in particular regions of the country don't feel left out?

I get it that there is perhaps several layers of nuance to this discussion but I keep coming back to that.

If you are ESPN then yes. Regionalism is why the WWL got out of NASCAR. Keeping interest across the nation is just another profitability lever. The problem is that the only way it works is with auto-bids because I just don’t see many P12 breaking into the top 10 in most years.

The fact that Tua is in T-town speaks volumes about the West Coast commitment to scouting and recruitment.
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