Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
Author Message
Bookmark and Share
BePcr07 Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 629
Joined: Dec 2015
Reputation: 32
I Root For: Boise St & Zags
Location:
Post: #11
RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-03-2018 11:07 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(01-02-2018 04:32 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  Some questions:
1. Do CFB fans in the southeast see this as an issue or do they just want to dominate the sport which could come to the detriment of it?

I think you will find that 90% of SEC fans want their school to win at all costs and don't care much about the sport as a whole.

To your larger point, I think the sport is fine even if it is Southeastern oriented. The SEC and southern half of the ACC will always dominate but the cannibalistic nature of the sport means only 2-3 can be great at any given time. While the Big Ten, Big 12, and Pac 12 have fewer schools capable to getting to the top, there is also less competition every year which makes it more likely that those schools get in (which is why Ohio St is basically a lock for the playoffs or NY6 bowl every year).

More champions and title game participants are likely to come from the south, but it doesn't mean the sport is doomed. The NFL is very heavy with northern teams but still does very well.

To the bolded point above, football is Southeastern-oriented which is fine. Every sport has their "regions." Fortunately or unfortunately, football happens to be the most popular sport in the country. Basketball happens to be a little more spread-out than football but the focus is much heavier in the Metro Northeast. Baseball has its major talent pockets in California, Texas, and Florida. Soccer is oriented to the Pacific Coast and Northeast. Hockey is Upper Midwest and Northeast. Wrestling is focused in the Midwest Heartland. Lacrosse is almost exclusively dominated by the Mid-Atlantic.

Not to say that there couldn't or won't be a shift, but that just happens to be where the talent and youth-focus has been for a while and will be for the foreseeable future.

I don't think its a problem except for when a school gets the benefit of the doubt because of its geographic location. Does it happen? Probably in the polls. However, just because the SEC received two playoff berths doesn't mean Alabama and Georgia weren't two of the best four teams in the country.

I am much more of a fan of putting in the best teams rather than the best team from each conference. I do think there needs to be a legitimate opportunity for non-power schools or else the power schools (plus whoever) need to just split away.
01-03-2018 11:31 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Win5002 Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 182
Joined: Oct 2015
Reputation: 5
I Root For: Big 12 & B1G
Location:
Post: #12
RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-03-2018 11:07 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(01-02-2018 04:32 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  Some questions:
1. Do CFB fans in the southeast see this as an issue or do they just want to dominate the sport which could come to the detriment of it?

I think you will find that 90% of SEC fans want their school to win at all costs and don't care much about the sport as a whole.

To your larger point, I think the sport is fine even if it is Southeastern oriented. The SEC and southern half of the ACC will always dominate but the cannibalistic nature of the sport means only 2-3 can be great at any given time. While the Big Ten, Big 12, and Pac 12 have fewer schools capable to getting to the top, there is also less competition every year which makes it more likely that those schools get in (which is why Ohio St is basically a lock for the playoffs or NY6 bowl every year).

More champions and title game participants are likely to come from the south, but it doesn't mean the sport is doomed. The NFL is very heavy with northern teams but still does very well.

The difference between the NFL and CFB is there is a draft to equalize things that doesn't happen with recruiting. Also, since the mid 70's the expansion has all been focused in the south to get more representation in the southeast especially. Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Carolina, Tennessee(actually that was a move from Houston) but then Houston got an expansion team.

So if the NFL saw the need to work towards more balance, maybe CFB should take note also.
(This post was last modified: 01-03-2018 11:35 AM by Win5002.)
01-03-2018 11:34 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
DawgNBama Offline
NCR Ranger
*

Posts: 2,346
Joined: Sep 2002
Reputation: 48
I Root For: p-natal vitamin
Location: prenatal vitamins
Post: #13
RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-02-2018 04:32 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  I saw a good thread on another message board about college football becoming too regionalized in the Southeast and I want to hear Southeastern perspective. For the sake of argument I think OU & Texas while in the southern half should be lumped in the central part of the US because it is centrally located as well.

The question becomes how do you keep the sport national because I think while I'm sure its great to say look at the way we dominate the sport in the Southeast, what does that do eventually to the viewership of the product and its popularity long term.

While I think Texas, OU and USC should have enough recruits with Texas and California to have a chance at national championships from time to time(and maybe UCLA especially with the right coach), other schools in that list such as Washington, Oregon or a Stanford really need the sun, moon and stars to align if they are to win a national title.

In the North its OSU, PSU, Mich., and ND and maybe some secondary schools like Neb., Wisconsin, MSU and as a stretch Iowa if everything goes right but lets focus primarily on the 4 major brands. Outside of OSU while these these have great brands they have to work harder for recruits and its a big disadvantage to FSU/Clemson and SEC.

The southeast is going to win more just based on the number of recruits that come from the area. But should the combo of the West, Central(Texas & OU) and north win 2 out of 4 yrs or 2 out of 5 years?Would that be balanced enough, I think so. The B1G has been disadvantaged by recruits as well as playing all the bowl games, NC games on the road. I think part of the problem is Delaney cared more about the "brand" of the Rose Bowl than a competitive advantage for his teams.

I will mention bad coaching hires have really limited Texas, USC, PSU, Mich & Neb the last 15 to 20 years. ND has had hiring issues for 30 yrs possibly with the exception of Kelly but I am sure ND & CFB fans are divided on him as a hire. While I don't expect the northern brands to win as many as Texas, USC & OU they should win some. I think bad coaching hires have cost the north a possible championship or two but is not the whole answer. Would just good coaching hires and an equal footing in playoff venues fix this? That might get them closer but I'm still not sure that puts them over the hump.

Some questions:
1. Do CFB fans in the southeast see this as an issue or do they just want to dominate the sport which could come to the detriment of it?

2. Is it just coaching hire blunders and playoff location disadvantage? Realizing the north will not win as many but should be pulling in 1 NC every 4 yrs where also the west or central gets one as well and the southeast gets 2 out of 4.

3. What league do you think is best to be consolidated to meet brand and competitive play requirements or do you think we are best off with 5 leagues and an 8 team playoff? Either way you don't have to go through the full realignment maybe just a high level discussion of what league is consolidated or if its recruiting for the B1G what area they get and what two leagues are consolidated after that.

4. If all the conferences and networks come to the conclusion we are too regionalized could this be where we see the tv revenues negotiated as 1 for a new P4 or P5 football that splits away? If so some minor trading for geographical fits even among the B1G & SEC could happen.

My take is some of this is coaching hires but I don't know if that will completely fix the problem especially with one of the 2 biggest brands being the B1G. You need 4 strong balanced divisions brand wise and talent wise where CFP is played in by conference champions and equal footing for the playoff game venues.

1. The SEC is set.

2. The B1G is set brand wise and has made progress talent with PSU & Mich. lately but they are not there yet. Everyone laughed at Rutgers and Maryland but I believe it has helped them recruiting wise and to rebuild the PSU brand. But they need more. You can help the B1G recruiting issue 3 ways:
A. Coastal Atlantic states. Would a small step in just adding Virginia to already go with New Jersey and the Maryland/DC area be enough? It might be too early to tell with PSU having Franklin and Mich. having Harbaugh(lets forget the SC game from what I hear lol). Its the least intrusive and leaves the option of keeping the ACC for the most part intact. Or do they need North Carolina also and Ga. Tech wouldn't hurt also but I don't know the politics of being a southern school vs. academics. I know Ga. Tech is dwarfed by the Bulldogs but it still is exposure. B. Central contingent with OU & TX but I don't believe they want enough Texas school representation that is meaningful to Texas.
C. Addition of PAC schools where the B1G gets the brands they want but some decent schools are left for the Big 12. I'm thinking USC, Stanford, Az., WAsh., Colorado. It still leaves 2 California schoos for the Big 12, and ASU.

3. ACC has won enough but still lags brand wise which is why they NEED ND eventually. But what happens if FSU & Clemson go through a down period are they out of luck? Maybe Miami could step up and carry them as their standard bearer, I don't think Va. Tech can long term and I'm ND can either.

4. Big 12- Has 2 strong brands and solid ratings but additions would need to be good partners. If the B1G took 6 PAC teams as long as the B1G only took 2 California schools and USC & UCLA were in opposite leagues you can make a solid Big 12.

5. PAC- they need to combine with the Big 12 but I'm not sure this helps one of the 2 biggest brands in the sport in the B1G.

Probably the biggest issue for the northern teams is weather. Winter comes much earlier in the north than it does in the south. You could remedy the situation by equipping more arenas with AstroTurf, but it can be rather cost prohibitive and astroturf is notorious for causing football injuries. Regardless, all northern college teams need to invest in indoor practice facilities due to weather conditions. The situation is not as clear for northern high school teams. Other than practicing in their gyms, what else can they do?

Oregon & Oregon State have to poach the state of California for football talent just like why Syracuse has to poach the state of Florida for talent. Unfortunately, the state of California has more $$’s to play with than the state of Oregon does. Oregon just isn’t run well as a state. This is true of the state of Michigan also, which is a real shame because both states offer a lot of natural beauty.
01-03-2018 11:57 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
JRsec Offline
Super Moderator
*

Posts: 14,485
Joined: Mar 2012
Reputation: 735
I Root For: SEC
Location:
Post: #14
RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-03-2018 11:31 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 11:07 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(01-02-2018 04:32 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  Some questions:
1. Do CFB fans in the southeast see this as an issue or do they just want to dominate the sport which could come to the detriment of it?

I think you will find that 90% of SEC fans want their school to win at all costs and don't care much about the sport as a whole.

To your larger point, I think the sport is fine even if it is Southeastern oriented. The SEC and southern half of the ACC will always dominate but the cannibalistic nature of the sport means only 2-3 can be great at any given time. While the Big Ten, Big 12, and Pac 12 have fewer schools capable to getting to the top, there is also less competition every year which makes it more likely that those schools get in (which is why Ohio St is basically a lock for the playoffs or NY6 bowl every year).

More champions and title game participants are likely to come from the south, but it doesn't mean the sport is doomed. The NFL is very heavy with northern teams but still does very well.

To the bolded point above, football is Southeastern-oriented which is fine. Every sport has their "regions." Fortunately or unfortunately, football happens to be the most popular sport in the country. Basketball happens to be a little more spread-out than football but the focus is much heavier in the Metro Northeast. Baseball has its major talent pockets in California, Texas, and Florida. Soccer is oriented to the Pacific Coast and Northeast. Hockey is Upper Midwest and Northeast. Wrestling is focused in the Midwest Heartland. Lacrosse is almost exclusively dominated by the Mid-Atlantic.

Not to say that there couldn't or won't be a shift, but that just happens to be where the talent and youth-focus has been for a while and will be for the foreseeable future.

I don't think its a problem except for when a school gets the benefit of the doubt because of its geographic location. Does it happen? Probably in the polls. However, just because the SEC received two playoff berths doesn't mean Alabama and Georgia weren't two of the best four teams in the country.

I am much more of a fan of putting in the best teams rather than the best team from each conference. I do think there needs to be a legitimate opportunity for non-power schools or else the power schools (plus whoever) need to just split away.

There is your answer. The size and scope of the top level upper tier programs and the money they have access to for trainers, equipment, medical supervision, etc, is just too great to have meaningful competition with those who earn less than 50 million for their entire athletic program. I picked 50 million because it is almost 1/4th of what the top tiers top programs are earning. 50 million is roughly the 72nd postion. It encompasses the majority of G5 schools capable of beating a present P5 school. Above that 60th position is probably a good place to stop.

But my point is it would be better for the sport if the present FCS was abolished and then all schools FCS level and above were broken down into 3 divisions and that those divisions remained separate from what we think of as Div 2 now.

Each would play for their own championship. We do this for many sports already. 200lb wrestlers don't wrestle against 100lb wrestlers. It's healthier for all to play at their own level. Does N.Dakota State suffer for a following because they are in a lower division? No.
01-03-2018 12:34 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Win5002 Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 182
Joined: Oct 2015
Reputation: 5
I Root For: Big 12 & B1G
Location:
Post: #15
RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-03-2018 12:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 11:31 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 11:07 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(01-02-2018 04:32 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  Some questions:
1. Do CFB fans in the southeast see this as an issue or do they just want to dominate the sport which could come to the detriment of it?

I think you will find that 90% of SEC fans want their school to win at all costs and don't care much about the sport as a whole.

To your larger point, I think the sport is fine even if it is Southeastern oriented. The SEC and southern half of the ACC will always dominate but the cannibalistic nature of the sport means only 2-3 can be great at any given time. While the Big Ten, Big 12, and Pac 12 have fewer schools capable to getting to the top, there is also less competition every year which makes it more likely that those schools get in (which is why Ohio St is basically a lock for the playoffs or NY6 bowl every year).

More champions and title game participants are likely to come from the south, but it doesn't mean the sport is doomed. The NFL is very heavy with northern teams but still does very well.

To the bolded point above, football is Southeastern-oriented which is fine. Every sport has their "regions." Fortunately or unfortunately, football happens to be the most popular sport in the country. Basketball happens to be a little more spread-out than football but the focus is much heavier in the Metro Northeast. Baseball has its major talent pockets in California, Texas, and Florida. Soccer is oriented to the Pacific Coast and Northeast. Hockey is Upper Midwest and Northeast. Wrestling is focused in the Midwest Heartland. Lacrosse is almost exclusively dominated by the Mid-Atlantic.

Not to say that there couldn't or won't be a shift, but that just happens to be where the talent and youth-focus has been for a while and will be for the foreseeable future.

I don't think its a problem except for when a school gets the benefit of the doubt because of its geographic location. Does it happen? Probably in the polls. However, just because the SEC received two playoff berths doesn't mean Alabama and Georgia weren't two of the best four teams in the country.

I am much more of a fan of putting in the best teams rather than the best team from each conference. I do think there needs to be a legitimate opportunity for non-power schools or else the power schools (plus whoever) need to just split away.

There is your answer. The size and scope of the top level upper tier programs and the money they have access to for trainers, equipment, medical supervision, etc, is just too great to have meaningful competition with those who earn less than 50 million for their entire athletic program. I picked 50 million because it is almost 1/4th of what the top tiers top programs are earning. 50 million is roughly the 72nd postion. It encompasses the majority of G5 schools capable of beating a present P5 school. Above that 60th position is probably a good place to stop.

But my point is it would be better for the sport if the present FCS was abolished and then all schools FCS level and above were broken down into 3 divisions and that those divisions remained separate from what we think of as Div 2 now.

Each would play for their own championship. We do this for many sports already. 200lb wrestlers don't wrestle against 100lb wrestlers. It's healthier for all to play at their own level. Does N.Dakota State suffer for a following because they are in a lower division? No.

If we had a new P4 I would like to see the division below it play in the spring, I would watch it since there is no other football to compete with.
01-03-2018 02:04 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
AllTideUp Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,967
Joined: Jul 2015
Reputation: 79
I Root For: Alabama
Location:
Post: #16
RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-03-2018 02:04 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 12:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 11:31 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 11:07 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(01-02-2018 04:32 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  Some questions:
1. Do CFB fans in the southeast see this as an issue or do they just want to dominate the sport which could come to the detriment of it?

I think you will find that 90% of SEC fans want their school to win at all costs and don't care much about the sport as a whole.

To your larger point, I think the sport is fine even if it is Southeastern oriented. The SEC and southern half of the ACC will always dominate but the cannibalistic nature of the sport means only 2-3 can be great at any given time. While the Big Ten, Big 12, and Pac 12 have fewer schools capable to getting to the top, there is also less competition every year which makes it more likely that those schools get in (which is why Ohio St is basically a lock for the playoffs or NY6 bowl every year).

More champions and title game participants are likely to come from the south, but it doesn't mean the sport is doomed. The NFL is very heavy with northern teams but still does very well.

To the bolded point above, football is Southeastern-oriented which is fine. Every sport has their "regions." Fortunately or unfortunately, football happens to be the most popular sport in the country. Basketball happens to be a little more spread-out than football but the focus is much heavier in the Metro Northeast. Baseball has its major talent pockets in California, Texas, and Florida. Soccer is oriented to the Pacific Coast and Northeast. Hockey is Upper Midwest and Northeast. Wrestling is focused in the Midwest Heartland. Lacrosse is almost exclusively dominated by the Mid-Atlantic.

Not to say that there couldn't or won't be a shift, but that just happens to be where the talent and youth-focus has been for a while and will be for the foreseeable future.

I don't think its a problem except for when a school gets the benefit of the doubt because of its geographic location. Does it happen? Probably in the polls. However, just because the SEC received two playoff berths doesn't mean Alabama and Georgia weren't two of the best four teams in the country.

I am much more of a fan of putting in the best teams rather than the best team from each conference. I do think there needs to be a legitimate opportunity for non-power schools or else the power schools (plus whoever) need to just split away.

There is your answer. The size and scope of the top level upper tier programs and the money they have access to for trainers, equipment, medical supervision, etc, is just too great to have meaningful competition with those who earn less than 50 million for their entire athletic program. I picked 50 million because it is almost 1/4th of what the top tiers top programs are earning. 50 million is roughly the 72nd postion. It encompasses the majority of G5 schools capable of beating a present P5 school. Above that 60th position is probably a good place to stop.

But my point is it would be better for the sport if the present FCS was abolished and then all schools FCS level and above were broken down into 3 divisions and that those divisions remained separate from what we think of as Div 2 now.

Each would play for their own championship. We do this for many sports already. 200lb wrestlers don't wrestle against 100lb wrestlers. It's healthier for all to play at their own level. Does N.Dakota State suffer for a following because they are in a lower division? No.

If we had a new P4 I would like to see the division below it play in the spring, I would watch it since there is no other football to compete with.

That would be fun for us football fans, but I think it would very hard to pull off practically.

June Jones used to suggest this very thing while he was at SMU. It's not a bad idea from a TV perspective, but...

1. It would greatly interfere with Spring sports on those campuses and some of those schools really do compete well in sports outside of football.

2. For students and alumni, there is a lot of cultural value in being able to get together on a Fall Saturday and revolve everything around a football game. You'd lose a lot of that community if you didn't give the football games their own season.
01-03-2018 02:13 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
AllTideUp Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,967
Joined: Jul 2015
Reputation: 79
I Root For: Alabama
Location:
Post: #17
RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
I think this is a really interesting topic.

I do agree that the best way to handle it is for the Power leagues to split off.

I would swell the ranks a little bit so that the competition wouldn't quite be so brutal from week to week. That and if you are strategic about choosing who gets in and who doesn't then you can mitigate some of the issues with recruiting.

That and I dare say reducing the scholarship limit again would help with that. Resources and geography play a big role so if you knock the limit down a little more then there is a trickle down effect. The reality is that there are already a ton of kids from the recruiting hotbeds who leave and go to programs in other regions simply because there isn't a spot for them at a more local school. That's not the only reason they leave, but it is true for some.
01-03-2018 02:25 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
XLance Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,121
Joined: Mar 2008
Reputation: 158
I Root For: Carolina
Location:
Post: #18
RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
JR's leagues were:
Big 10:

California, Oregon, Stanford, Washington *****My only edit is Cal or Stanford goes to the Big 12 and USC or UCLA comes to the B1G. Rivals play OOC.

Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue

Illinois, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State

Big 12

Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Southern Cal

Brigham Young, T.C.U., Texas Tech, Utah

Iowa State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Nebraska

Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas

ACC

Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse

Boston College, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville


SEC

Arkansas, L.S.U., Missouri, Texas A&M

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State

Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia

Florida, Georgia, Miami, South Carolina



How about this for grins:

SEC
Arkansas, LSU, Missouri, Texas A&M

Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

Kentucky, Louisville, Tennessee, West Virginia

Florida, Florida State, Miami, Auburn


ACC
Notre Dame, Syracuse, Boston College, Pittsburgh

Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, NC State

Georgia, South Carolina, Clemson, Georgia Tech
01-03-2018 03:36 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Gamecock Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,877
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: 73
I Root For: South Carolina
Location:
Post: #19
RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
(01-03-2018 03:36 PM)XLance Wrote:  ACC
Notre Dame, Syracuse, Boston College, Pittsburgh

Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, NC State

Georgia, South Carolina, Clemson, Georgia Tech

Why not Hawaii or the 49ers or the Kyoto Gangsters?
(This post was last modified: 01-04-2018 09:41 AM by Gamecock.)
01-04-2018 09:40 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
BePcr07 Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 629
Joined: Dec 2015
Reputation: 32
I Root For: Boise St & Zags
Location:
Post: #20
RE: How to keep college football from becoming a regional sport?
I don't think regionalization is a bad thing. As I've said before, talent for all sports is regionalized to some degree which has a bearing on championships, NCAA playoff bids, and perception.

I would prefer smaller conferences, but more conferences. Something like:

PAC
West: Washington, Oregon, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
East: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech

B1G
West: Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa, Illinois
East: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St

SEC
West: Oklahoma St, Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
East: Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida

ACC
Atlantic: Miami, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, North Carolina St, Maryland, Penn St
Coastal: Florida St, Clemson, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Big East
West: Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, Louisville, Iowa St, Northwestern, Purdue
East: Notre Dame, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College

XII
West: Washington St, Oregon St, Boise St, BYU, UNLV, San Diego St
East: Colorado St, Air Force, New Mexico, Baylor, TCU, Kansas St

AAC
West: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Navy
East: Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut

CUSA
West: Arkansas St, Southern Miss, UAB, Middle Tennessee St, Western Kentucky, Florida International
East: Massachusetts, Army, Marshall, Old Dominion, Charlotte, Florida Atlantic

MWC
West: Hawaii, San Jose St, Fresno St, Nevada, Utah St, Wyoming
East: New Mexico St, UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Louisiana Tech

MAC
West: Northern Illinois, Ball St, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Toledo
East: Bowling Green St, Ohio, Miami OH, Akron, Kent St, Buffalo

SBC
West: Texas St, UL Lafayette, UL Monroe, South Alabama, Troy
East: Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, Appalachian St, Liberty
01-04-2018 11:21 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2018 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2018 MyBB Group.