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RE: W&M @ JMU hoops
(01-08-2018 12:03 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  
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(01-03-2018 10:50 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Yes this team has a talented freshman class of 5 guys, but other teams have large infusions of new players and don't go 4-11 to start the season after starting the previous season at 1-11 with a very experienced team returning from a 21 win season after winning 19 the season before. It's incumbent on Rowe to recognize his own shortcomings as a coach and to bring on staff that can help install offensive and defensive schemes to allow the team to be successful. Other teams at this point are getting better because they've been practicing since early October and have mastered those schemes. It's very tough to play free lance, isolation basketball and expect to win with any consistency. I would tell any doubters of this issue to go see the team play in person. Another year of this is supposed to magically result in a top tier CAA team that wins 20 games? Five possessions being out of place defensively over the course of the game can easily lead to 8 or 10 points, the difference between winning and losing. Walfish mentioned the other day that JMU's three point defense, for example, was 299th in the country (out of roughly 350 teams). Conversely, it's easy to defend JMU because there's not sufficient player or ball movement within the context of an offensive scheme.

There were those that said JMU was losing last year because of a lack of talent, not coaching. We've seen the talent improve considerably and the results are the same. What does that tell you?

I realize that Rowe doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt or any slack but to put things a little in perspective. The 2013-14 Dukes were pretty similar to this group in terms of age. That Dukes team had a Sophomore backcourt of Ron Curry and Charles Cooke.

That team often looked disjointed offensively and was prone to lapses on defense. These things can change pretty quickly over the course of a year. That team lost 20 games (win 4 OOC and 6 In conference) That team had all those freshman who were Seniors last year who a lot of folks kill Rowe for underperforming with.

I guess you can't have it both ways in terms of saying they were talented freshman who struggled mightily their first season or that they weren't talented and admitting that Rowe had a pretty mediocre group last year.

I personally think the current 17-18 team is more talented and better than that group but I wanted to point out that with a "system" and a "good" coach that team really struggled. You want to say they never recovered from Nation being suspended or ineligible or whatever he was maybe I'll give you that. By the next year Cooke was gone but Curry made a huge leap in terms of his play and that made all the difference in the following 2 seasons (Curry's Junior and Senior seasons).

I'm a big believer in point guards. In college basketball on offense especially at the end of the shot clock or end of the game you want the ball in the hands of someone who can make something happen, make good decisions and has the ability to score from beyond 3 and at the basket at will. Curry developed into that kind of player. Rowe's biggest failure thus far is his inability to bring in a PG. He whiffed on the late recruiting cycle last year and a full recruiting cycle this year. Or did he? I think this idea of a true PG is a little overdone. He has a guy in Mosely on the roster who is more than capable. Curry was not a true PG- he was a scoring PG. Mosely can get assists and doesn't really turn the ball over. He also can score from 3 and driving to the basket. Mosely is your scoring/starting PG end of story.

Despite what Bogey witnessed at practices I just don't think McLean has that in him. I was more confident in Jackson Kent last year in those spots than I am in McLean this year and that wasn't a natural role for Kent but one he played out of necessity.

Rowe needs to put the ball in Mosely's hands for this year and to help the team be that much better next season. Lewis may eventually develop into that type of player (like Curry did) maybe 18 income freshman Deshon Parker will eventually be a nice player but usually that guy is an upper classman. The other guys (Wilson, Lewis, Banks, Jones, and Jacobs) will make leaps in their games around Mosely and this team is closer than you think from being a good team despite the lack of a "system" or the lack of a "good coach". I just hope Rowe doesn't wait for a natural PG to develop to field a good team because it will be too late.

97 --

I think this year's team is more like the team prior to the one that you cited when the talented class of Curry, Cooke and Nation were freshman alongside a solid senior class. That team made the NCAAs and won a play-in game. If you'll recall, that team hung its hat on defense and kept getting better as the season progressed, which showed that freshman can play good defense. That season was also the first for one Mike Deane if I'm recalling correctly. The following season -- the one that you cited -- wasn't good at all because Nation got suspended for a period of time (or couple of periods) as I recall and they were joined by that big freshman class that was completely unimpressive. Only Dalembert from that class seemed to show something. The next season, however, without Cooke, they managed to win 19 games. We'll see what JMU does next season, but I don't expect a 19 win season at this point.

84 I don't see how that's the case. The JMU NCAAT team has a senior backcourt in Moore and AJ Davis. Those guys were All CAA caliber players and both had multiple years of experience at JMU and playing D1. That team also had a Senior post player (3 year at JMU) in Goins who was underrated. There was a foundation of guys who knew had to play and yes a more veteran coaching staff I will grant you that. This years JMU team in terms of minutes of D1 ball going into the season is the 10th youngest in the country. That team had a lot more experience. The team that followed (Cooke and Curry's sophomore year) did not.
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JMU has two Seniors and two Juniors in their starting rotation. Mosley is Mr. Reliable. Beyond him are a bunch of upperclassman who are not, which is why the Freshmen are playing so much.

This is among the worst defending teams in JMU history as they have scored enough to win almost every game. They have lost three games at the buzzer allowing the opposing team to have a wide open look at the game winning or tying shot.

It is frustrating to watch.
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(01-08-2018 10:14 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 12:03 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 10:19 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 10:50 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Yes this team has a talented freshman class of 5 guys, but other teams have large infusions of new players and don't go 4-11 to start the season after starting the previous season at 1-11 with a very experienced team returning from a 21 win season after winning 19 the season before. It's incumbent on Rowe to recognize his own shortcomings as a coach and to bring on staff that can help install offensive and defensive schemes to allow the team to be successful. Other teams at this point are getting better because they've been practicing since early October and have mastered those schemes. It's very tough to play free lance, isolation basketball and expect to win with any consistency. I would tell any doubters of this issue to go see the team play in person. Another year of this is supposed to magically result in a top tier CAA team that wins 20 games? Five possessions being out of place defensively over the course of the game can easily lead to 8 or 10 points, the difference between winning and losing. Walfish mentioned the other day that JMU's three point defense, for example, was 299th in the country (out of roughly 350 teams). Conversely, it's easy to defend JMU because there's not sufficient player or ball movement within the context of an offensive scheme.

There were those that said JMU was losing last year because of a lack of talent, not coaching. We've seen the talent improve considerably and the results are the same. What does that tell you?

I realize that Rowe doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt or any slack but to put things a little in perspective. The 2013-14 Dukes were pretty similar to this group in terms of age. That Dukes team had a Sophomore backcourt of Ron Curry and Charles Cooke.

That team often looked disjointed offensively and was prone to lapses on defense. These things can change pretty quickly over the course of a year. That team lost 20 games (win 4 OOC and 6 In conference) That team had all those freshman who were Seniors last year who a lot of folks kill Rowe for underperforming with.

I guess you can't have it both ways in terms of saying they were talented freshman who struggled mightily their first season or that they weren't talented and admitting that Rowe had a pretty mediocre group last year.

I personally think the current 17-18 team is more talented and better than that group but I wanted to point out that with a "system" and a "good" coach that team really struggled. You want to say they never recovered from Nation being suspended or ineligible or whatever he was maybe I'll give you that. By the next year Cooke was gone but Curry made a huge leap in terms of his play and that made all the difference in the following 2 seasons (Curry's Junior and Senior seasons).

I'm a big believer in point guards. In college basketball on offense especially at the end of the shot clock or end of the game you want the ball in the hands of someone who can make something happen, make good decisions and has the ability to score from beyond 3 and at the basket at will. Curry developed into that kind of player. Rowe's biggest failure thus far is his inability to bring in a PG. He whiffed on the late recruiting cycle last year and a full recruiting cycle this year. Or did he? I think this idea of a true PG is a little overdone. He has a guy in Mosely on the roster who is more than capable. Curry was not a true PG- he was a scoring PG. Mosely can get assists and doesn't really turn the ball over. He also can score from 3 and driving to the basket. Mosely is your scoring/starting PG end of story.

Despite what Bogey witnessed at practices I just don't think McLean has that in him. I was more confident in Jackson Kent last year in those spots than I am in McLean this year and that wasn't a natural role for Kent but one he played out of necessity.

Rowe needs to put the ball in Mosely's hands for this year and to help the team be that much better next season. Lewis may eventually develop into that type of player (like Curry did) maybe 18 income freshman Deshon Parker will eventually be a nice player but usually that guy is an upper classman. The other guys (Wilson, Lewis, Banks, Jones, and Jacobs) will make leaps in their games around Mosely and this team is closer than you think from being a good team despite the lack of a "system" or the lack of a "good coach". I just hope Rowe doesn't wait for a natural PG to develop to field a good team because it will be too late.

97 --

I think this year's team is more like the team prior to the one that you cited when the talented class of Curry, Cooke and Nation were freshman alongside a solid senior class. That team made the NCAAs and won a play-in game. If you'll recall, that team hung its hat on defense and kept getting better as the season progressed, which showed that freshman can play good defense. That season was also the first for one Mike Deane if I'm recalling correctly. The following season -- the one that you cited -- wasn't good at all because Nation got suspended for a period of time (or couple of periods) as I recall and they were joined by that big freshman class that was completely unimpressive. Only Dalembert from that class seemed to show something. The next season, however, without Cooke, they managed to win 19 games. We'll see what JMU does next season, but I don't expect a 19 win season at this point.

84 I don't see how that's the case. The JMU NCAAT team has a senior backcourt in Moore and AJ Davis. Those guys were All CAA caliber players and both had multiple years of experience at JMU and playing D1. That team also had a Senior post player (3 year at JMU) in Goins who was underrated. There was a foundation of guys who knew had to play and yes a more veteran coaching staff I will grant you that. This years JMU team in terms of minutes of D1 ball going into the season is the 10th youngest in the country. That team had a lot more experience. The team that followed (Cooke and Curry's sophomore year) did not.

I don't have an agenda 97. I'm cheering for Rowe, but I don't think he'll ultimately be successful unless he turns over coaching duties to someone else on both sides of the ball. I compared this year's team to the last NCAA team because I thought it was an appropriate comparison. The previous team had gone 12-20 with some injuries and then added the freshman class of Cooke, Curry and Nation to the veteran players you mentioned. You can talk about how "young" this year's team is but that's not really true. Going into the season, you have fifth year senior in Snowden, a fourth year senior in McLean, a fourth year player in Mosley, a fifth year player in Smith, a third year player in Phillips, a third year player in Scissum and a second year player in Pinkard added to the freshman class of 6, counting the walk on. Mosley is an All-CAA caliber player on the first team, while Snowden and McLean have averaged close to double digits in previous seasons, while Phillips and Scissum were rated three stars by at least one recruiting service and started their careers at basketball schools. The cupboard was not bare, not even close. This team is performing nowhere near where they should be. The team that you cited had very little talent besides that group of Curry, Cooke and Nation and Nation was suspended for much of that year; hence, the lousy record.
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(01-09-2018 10:27 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 10:14 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 12:03 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 10:19 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 10:50 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Yes this team has a talented freshman class of 5 guys, but other teams have large infusions of new players and don't go 4-11 to start the season after starting the previous season at 1-11 with a very experienced team returning from a 21 win season after winning 19 the season before. It's incumbent on Rowe to recognize his own shortcomings as a coach and to bring on staff that can help install offensive and defensive schemes to allow the team to be successful. Other teams at this point are getting better because they've been practicing since early October and have mastered those schemes. It's very tough to play free lance, isolation basketball and expect to win with any consistency. I would tell any doubters of this issue to go see the team play in person. Another year of this is supposed to magically result in a top tier CAA team that wins 20 games? Five possessions being out of place defensively over the course of the game can easily lead to 8 or 10 points, the difference between winning and losing. Walfish mentioned the other day that JMU's three point defense, for example, was 299th in the country (out of roughly 350 teams). Conversely, it's easy to defend JMU because there's not sufficient player or ball movement within the context of an offensive scheme.

There were those that said JMU was losing last year because of a lack of talent, not coaching. We've seen the talent improve considerably and the results are the same. What does that tell you?

I realize that Rowe doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt or any slack but to put things a little in perspective. The 2013-14 Dukes were pretty similar to this group in terms of age. That Dukes team had a Sophomore backcourt of Ron Curry and Charles Cooke.

That team often looked disjointed offensively and was prone to lapses on defense. These things can change pretty quickly over the course of a year. That team lost 20 games (win 4 OOC and 6 In conference) That team had all those freshman who were Seniors last year who a lot of folks kill Rowe for underperforming with.

I guess you can't have it both ways in terms of saying they were talented freshman who struggled mightily their first season or that they weren't talented and admitting that Rowe had a pretty mediocre group last year.

I personally think the current 17-18 team is more talented and better than that group but I wanted to point out that with a "system" and a "good" coach that team really struggled. You want to say they never recovered from Nation being suspended or ineligible or whatever he was maybe I'll give you that. By the next year Cooke was gone but Curry made a huge leap in terms of his play and that made all the difference in the following 2 seasons (Curry's Junior and Senior seasons).

I'm a big believer in point guards. In college basketball on offense especially at the end of the shot clock or end of the game you want the ball in the hands of someone who can make something happen, make good decisions and has the ability to score from beyond 3 and at the basket at will. Curry developed into that kind of player. Rowe's biggest failure thus far is his inability to bring in a PG. He whiffed on the late recruiting cycle last year and a full recruiting cycle this year. Or did he? I think this idea of a true PG is a little overdone. He has a guy in Mosely on the roster who is more than capable. Curry was not a true PG- he was a scoring PG. Mosely can get assists and doesn't really turn the ball over. He also can score from 3 and driving to the basket. Mosely is your scoring/starting PG end of story.

Despite what Bogey witnessed at practices I just don't think McLean has that in him. I was more confident in Jackson Kent last year in those spots than I am in McLean this year and that wasn't a natural role for Kent but one he played out of necessity.

Rowe needs to put the ball in Mosely's hands for this year and to help the team be that much better next season. Lewis may eventually develop into that type of player (like Curry did) maybe 18 income freshman Deshon Parker will eventually be a nice player but usually that guy is an upper classman. The other guys (Wilson, Lewis, Banks, Jones, and Jacobs) will make leaps in their games around Mosely and this team is closer than you think from being a good team despite the lack of a "system" or the lack of a "good coach". I just hope Rowe doesn't wait for a natural PG to develop to field a good team because it will be too late.

97 --

I think this year's team is more like the team prior to the one that you cited when the talented class of Curry, Cooke and Nation were freshman alongside a solid senior class. That team made the NCAAs and won a play-in game. If you'll recall, that team hung its hat on defense and kept getting better as the season progressed, which showed that freshman can play good defense. That season was also the first for one Mike Deane if I'm recalling correctly. The following season -- the one that you cited -- wasn't good at all because Nation got suspended for a period of time (or couple of periods) as I recall and they were joined by that big freshman class that was completely unimpressive. Only Dalembert from that class seemed to show something. The next season, however, without Cooke, they managed to win 19 games. We'll see what JMU does next season, but I don't expect a 19 win season at this point.

84 I don't see how that's the case. The JMU NCAAT team has a senior backcourt in Moore and AJ Davis. Those guys were All CAA caliber players and both had multiple years of experience at JMU and playing D1. That team also had a Senior post player (3 year at JMU) in Goins who was underrated. There was a foundation of guys who knew had to play and yes a more veteran coaching staff I will grant you that. This years JMU team in terms of minutes of D1 ball going into the season is the 10th youngest in the country. That team had a lot more experience. The team that followed (Cooke and Curry's sophomore year) did not.

I don't have an agenda 97. I'm cheering for Rowe, but I don't think he'll ultimately be successful unless he turns over coaching duties to someone else on both sides of the ball. I compared this year's team to the last NCAA team because I thought it was an appropriate comparison. The previous team had gone 12-20 with some injuries and then added the freshman class of Cooke, Curry and Nation to the veteran players you mentioned. You can talk about how "young" this year's team is but that's not really true. Going into the season, you have fifth year senior in Snowden, a fourth year senior in McLean, a fourth year player in Mosley, a fifth year player in Smith, a third year player in Phillips, a third year player in Scissum and a second year player in Pinkard added to the freshman class of 6, counting the walk on. Mosley is an All-CAA caliber player on the first team, while Snowden and McLean have averaged close to double digits in previous seasons, while Phillips and Scissum were rated three stars by at least one recruiting service and started their careers at basketball schools. The cupboard was not bare, not even close. This team is performing nowhere near where they should be. The team that you cited had very little talent besides that group of Curry, Cooke and Nation and Nation was suspended for much of that year; hence, the lousy record.

84 I don't think you have an agenda other than being a frustrated hoops fan. I can relate and obviously the team has not performed well this year and last. I just disagree with the comparison.

People talk about returning experience, the cupboard not being bare last year, I just don't see what you guys are watching or referring to. I don't see the comparison to the NCAA Tournament team.

Joey McLean is no where close to the player that Devon Moore was. Moore was a starter immediately when he reached campus. He was all rookie, all CAA and a 5th year Senior in 12-13. He was playing in the backcourt with his cousin who he had pretty good chemistry with a 25 year old 5th year Senior AJ Davis. Goins was a 5th year Senior. That established core of the team (and yes an established core coaching staff) allowed the Freshman to play complimentary roles for much of the season and develop.

Mosely is a very good player- he will be even better next season. Phillips (who while a Junior in eligibility barely played at Depaul freshmen year then was Juco last season) has flashes and will be better next season (as Seniors). McLean as Snowden I'm sure are good guys but neither have been consistent starters on winning teams and there is likely a reason for that.

The other guys you mentioned (Smith who was a non factor due to injuries and Scissum who had less on court experience as Phillips (sparing play freshmen year at VCU and a red shirt year at JMU) were not factors.

These may all sound like excuses- obviously some of the roster limitations are on Rowe (some are on the program he inherited with the imbalanced classes, etc.). Rowe and the team need to start winning but in fairness this years team is very inexperienced in terms of D1 court time and time playing together. The coaching staff is inexperienced as well. Let's see how they finish the year and the off season. There is talent on this team and despite your suggestion that Rowe be a figurehead and neither coach offense or defense I think with the talent that will develop even Rowe who may be limited as a coach can reside over a winning group.
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(01-09-2018 07:23 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 10:27 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 10:14 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 12:03 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 10:19 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  I realize that Rowe doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt or any slack but to put things a little in perspective. The 2013-14 Dukes were pretty similar to this group in terms of age. That Dukes team had a Sophomore backcourt of Ron Curry and Charles Cooke.

That team often looked disjointed offensively and was prone to lapses on defense. These things can change pretty quickly over the course of a year. That team lost 20 games (win 4 OOC and 6 In conference) That team had all those freshman who were Seniors last year who a lot of folks kill Rowe for underperforming with.

I guess you can't have it both ways in terms of saying they were talented freshman who struggled mightily their first season or that they weren't talented and admitting that Rowe had a pretty mediocre group last year.

I personally think the current 17-18 team is more talented and better than that group but I wanted to point out that with a "system" and a "good" coach that team really struggled. You want to say they never recovered from Nation being suspended or ineligible or whatever he was maybe I'll give you that. By the next year Cooke was gone but Curry made a huge leap in terms of his play and that made all the difference in the following 2 seasons (Curry's Junior and Senior seasons).

I'm a big believer in point guards. In college basketball on offense especially at the end of the shot clock or end of the game you want the ball in the hands of someone who can make something happen, make good decisions and has the ability to score from beyond 3 and at the basket at will. Curry developed into that kind of player. Rowe's biggest failure thus far is his inability to bring in a PG. He whiffed on the late recruiting cycle last year and a full recruiting cycle this year. Or did he? I think this idea of a true PG is a little overdone. He has a guy in Mosely on the roster who is more than capable. Curry was not a true PG- he was a scoring PG. Mosely can get assists and doesn't really turn the ball over. He also can score from 3 and driving to the basket. Mosely is your scoring/starting PG end of story.

Despite what Bogey witnessed at practices I just don't think McLean has that in him. I was more confident in Jackson Kent last year in those spots than I am in McLean this year and that wasn't a natural role for Kent but one he played out of necessity.

Rowe needs to put the ball in Mosely's hands for this year and to help the team be that much better next season. Lewis may eventually develop into that type of player (like Curry did) maybe 18 income freshman Deshon Parker will eventually be a nice player but usually that guy is an upper classman. The other guys (Wilson, Lewis, Banks, Jones, and Jacobs) will make leaps in their games around Mosely and this team is closer than you think from being a good team despite the lack of a "system" or the lack of a "good coach". I just hope Rowe doesn't wait for a natural PG to develop to field a good team because it will be too late.

97 --

I think this year's team is more like the team prior to the one that you cited when the talented class of Curry, Cooke and Nation were freshman alongside a solid senior class. That team made the NCAAs and won a play-in game. If you'll recall, that team hung its hat on defense and kept getting better as the season progressed, which showed that freshman can play good defense. That season was also the first for one Mike Deane if I'm recalling correctly. The following season -- the one that you cited -- wasn't good at all because Nation got suspended for a period of time (or couple of periods) as I recall and they were joined by that big freshman class that was completely unimpressive. Only Dalembert from that class seemed to show something. The next season, however, without Cooke, they managed to win 19 games. We'll see what JMU does next season, but I don't expect a 19 win season at this point.

84 I don't see how that's the case. The JMU NCAAT team has a senior backcourt in Moore and AJ Davis. Those guys were All CAA caliber players and both had multiple years of experience at JMU and playing D1. That team also had a Senior post player (3 year at JMU) in Goins who was underrated. There was a foundation of guys who knew had to play and yes a more veteran coaching staff I will grant you that. This years JMU team in terms of minutes of D1 ball going into the season is the 10th youngest in the country. That team had a lot more experience. The team that followed (Cooke and Curry's sophomore year) did not.

I don't have an agenda 97. I'm cheering for Rowe, but I don't think he'll ultimately be successful unless he turns over coaching duties to someone else on both sides of the ball. I compared this year's team to the last NCAA team because I thought it was an appropriate comparison. The previous team had gone 12-20 with some injuries and then added the freshman class of Cooke, Curry and Nation to the veteran players you mentioned. You can talk about how "young" this year's team is but that's not really true. Going into the season, you have fifth year senior in Snowden, a fourth year senior in McLean, a fourth year player in Mosley, a fifth year player in Smith, a third year player in Phillips, a third year player in Scissum and a second year player in Pinkard added to the freshman class of 6, counting the walk on. Mosley is an All-CAA caliber player on the first team, while Snowden and McLean have averaged close to double digits in previous seasons, while Phillips and Scissum were rated three stars by at least one recruiting service and started their careers at basketball schools. The cupboard was not bare, not even close. This team is performing nowhere near where they should be. The team that you cited had very little talent besides that group of Curry, Cooke and Nation and Nation was suspended for much of that year; hence, the lousy record.

84 I don't think you have an agenda other than being a frustrated hoops fan. I can relate and obviously the team has not performed well this year and last. I just disagree with the comparison.

People talk about returning experience, the cupboard not being bare last year, I just don't see what you guys are watching or referring to. I don't see the comparison to the NCAA Tournament team.

Joey McLean is no where close to the player that Devon Moore was. Moore was a starter immediately when he reached campus. He was all rookie, all CAA and a 5th year Senior in 12-13. He was playing in the backcourt with his cousin who he had pretty good chemistry with a 25 year old 5th year Senior AJ Davis. Goins was a 5th year Senior. That established core of the team (and yes an established core coaching staff) allowed the Freshman to play complimentary roles for much of the season and develop.

Mosely is a very good player- he will be even better next season. Phillips (who while a Junior in eligibility barely played at Depaul freshmen year then was Juco last season) has flashes and will be better next season (as Seniors). McLean as Snowden I'm sure are good guys but neither have been consistent starters on winning teams and there is likely a reason for that.

The other guys you mentioned (Smith who was a non factor due to injuries and Scissum who had less on court experience as Phillips (sparing play freshmen year at VCU and a red shirt year at JMU) were not factors.

These may all sound like excuses- obviously some of the roster limitations are on Rowe (some are on the program he inherited with the imbalanced classes, etc.). Rowe and the team need to start winning but in fairness this years team is very inexperienced in terms of D1 court time and time playing together. The coaching staff is inexperienced as well. Let's see how they finish the year and the off season. There is talent on this team and despite your suggestion that Rowe be a figurehead and neither coach offense or defense I think with the talent that will develop even Rowe who may be limited as a coach can reside over a winning group.

Rowe can be a figurehead, as you say, and focus on recruiting. Leave the nuts and bolts of schemes to others on the staff. That sort of model may not exist at the college level, but that's what I'm saying. Brady's strength was not defense and I thought that Mike Deane really helped him in that area. This year's team, unfortunately, is terrible on defense and a work in progress on offense with improvement definitely needed.
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