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I Have a New Challenging Exercise for You.....
You may build a conference of 16, 18, or 20 members. But here are the rules:

1. You must group the schools by keeping familiar foes and rivals together. You may use permanent rival status to work out your divisions.

2. Any additions made to the existing conference must meet the familiar foe or rival status of existing schools, and if the added schools also are familiar foes and rivals with each other then that is a plus.

3. You cannot add existing G5 or lower classified schools and you cannot remove existing members.

4. Schools added must at least be familiar foes or rivals of at least 2 existing members of the 14 schools in the SEC.

5. Schools must be in contiguous states, or existing states within the conference.

6. The additions need to add either content value, market value, or be an extremely good fit for the conference. Some leeway will be granted for your argumentation.

7. I will give a +3 in reputation for what I feel is the best solution and I will give +1 for the runner up reply. And I will post my solution when everyone else has posted their conference complete with divisions.

8. When we have built a winner for the SEC we will take those schools off of the board and do the same for the Big 10, then ACC, then PAC or Big 12.

Okay, you have your task so get started. BTW when we are finished we will vote after I give my solution to determine the final form of the SEC.
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(12-31-2017 08:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You may build a conference of 16, 18, or 20 members. But here are the rules:

1. You must group the schools by keeping familiar foes and rivals together. You may use permanent rival status to work out your divisions.

2. Any additions made to the existing conference must meet the familiar foe or rival status of existing schools, and if the added schools also are familiar foes and rivals with each other then that is a plus.

3. You cannot add existing G5 or lower classified schools and you cannot remove existing members.

4. Schools added must at least be familiar foes or rivals of at least 2 existing members of the 14 schools in the SEC.

5. Schools must be in contiguous states, or existing states within the conference.

6. The additions need to add either content value, market value, or be an extremely good fit for the conference. Some leeway will be granted for your argumentation.

7. I will give a +3 in reputation for what I feel is the best solution and I will give +1 for the runner up reply. And I will post my solution when everyone else has posted their conference complete with divisions.

8. When we have built a winner for the SEC we will take those schools off of the board and do the same for the Big 10, then ACC, then PAC or Big 12.

Okay, you have your task so get started. BTW when we are finished we will vote after I give my solution to determine the final form of the SEC.

Hmmm...interesting rules.

I'll add Texas, Florida State, Georgia Tech, and Clemson

West: Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Missouri, LSU, Ole Miss
Central: Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech
East: Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Florida State, South Carolina, Clemson

5 division games
1 permanent rival from each division
1 rotating match-up from each division
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RE: I Have a New Challenging Exercise for You.....
(12-31-2017 08:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You may build a conference of 16, 18, or 20 members. But here are the rules:

1. You must group the schools by keeping familiar foes and rivals together. You may use permanent rival status to work out your divisions.

2. Any additions made to the existing conference must meet the familiar foe or rival status of existing schools, and if the added schools also are familiar foes and rivals with each other then that is a plus.

3. You cannot add existing G5 or lower classified schools and you cannot remove existing members.

4. Schools added must at least be familiar foes or rivals of at least 2 existing members of the 14 schools in the SEC.

5. Schools must be in contiguous states, or existing states within the conference.

6. The additions need to add either content value, market value, or be an extremely good fit for the conference. Some leeway will be granted for your argumentation.

7. I will give a +3 in reputation for what I feel is the best solution and I will give +1 for the runner up reply. And I will post my solution when everyone else has posted their conference complete with divisions.

8. When we have built a winner for the SEC we will take those schools off of the board and do the same for the Big 10, then ACC, then PAC or Big 12.

Okay, you have your task so get started. BTW when we are finished we will vote after I give my solution to determine the final form of the SEC.

Is every conference going to be required to have the contiguous state rule? Because if you do you have to make the SEC realignment with the other leagues in mind.

Also, #3 says you cannot remove existing members, does that mean every P5 school finds a home? Or are you saying just the SEC can't have members removed from the SEC conference?

Does every conference have to have a minimum of 16?

If every league has to have 16 and if they have to be contiguous and 2 rivals I'm not sure you can make additions to the PAC or have the PAC realigned.
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(01-01-2018 03:24 AM)Win5002 Wrote:  
(12-31-2017 08:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You may build a conference of 16, 18, or 20 members. But here are the rules:

1. You must group the schools by keeping familiar foes and rivals together. You may use permanent rival status to work out your divisions.

2. Any additions made to the existing conference must meet the familiar foe or rival status of existing schools, and if the added schools also are familiar foes and rivals with each other then that is a plus.

3. You cannot add existing G5 or lower classified schools and you cannot remove existing members.

4. Schools added must at least be familiar foes or rivals of at least 2 existing members of the 14 schools in the SEC.

5. Schools must be in contiguous states, or existing states within the conference.

6. The additions need to add either content value, market value, or be an extremely good fit for the conference. Some leeway will be granted for your argumentation.

7. I will give a +3 in reputation for what I feel is the best solution and I will give +1 for the runner up reply. And I will post my solution when everyone else has posted their conference complete with divisions.

8. When we have built a winner for the SEC we will take those schools off of the board and do the same for the Big 10, then ACC, then PAC or Big 12.

Okay, you have your task so get started. BTW when we are finished we will vote after I give my solution to determine the final form of the SEC.

Is every conference going to be required to have the contiguous state rule? Because if you do you have to make the SEC realignment with the other leagues in mind.

Yes, but with Colorado already in the PAC Kansas and Oklahoma make Texas contiguous.

Also, #3 says you cannot remove existing members, does that mean every P5 school finds a home? Or are you saying just the SEC can't have members removed from the SEC conference?

I'm saying for the purposes of the SEC that you can't remove members. I'll be saying the same thing for the Big 10 when we take a look at them. The reason being a practical one. Both conferences are at or near the top of the pay scale so a school leaving the SEC or Big 10 is highly unlikely. That's not the case for PAC or ACC although geography makes taking a PAC school tough for everyone but the Big 10 and Big 12.

Does every conference have to have a minimum of 16?

If every league has to have 16 and if they have to be contiguous and 2 rivals I'm not sure you can make additions to the PAC or have the PAC realigned.

They do have to have a minimum of 16, and no more than 20.
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RE: I Have a New Challenging Exercise for You.....
I might change mine a little bit.

Define "familiar foe"
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(01-01-2018 11:06 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I might change mine a little bit.

Define "familiar foe"

For instance, you would not call Oklahoma a rival of Texas A&M but they have history and have played often over the years both in the early days of the SWC and in the Big 12. Missouri would be a familiar foe as well. Georgia Tech is an old Auburn rival but Clemson is a familiar foe because they've played over 60 times.
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RE: I Have a New Challenging Exercise for You.....
(01-01-2018 10:31 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-01-2018 03:24 AM)Win5002 Wrote:  
(12-31-2017 08:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You may build a conference of 16, 18, or 20 members. But here are the rules:

1. You must group the schools by keeping familiar foes and rivals together. You may use permanent rival status to work out your divisions.

2. Any additions made to the existing conference must meet the familiar foe or rival status of existing schools, and if the added schools also are familiar foes and rivals with each other then that is a plus.

3. You cannot add existing G5 or lower classified schools and you cannot remove existing members.

4. Schools added must at least be familiar foes or rivals of at least 2 existing members of the 14 schools in the SEC.

5. Schools must be in contiguous states, or existing states within the conference.

6. The additions need to add either content value, market value, or be an extremely good fit for the conference. Some leeway will be granted for your argumentation.

7. I will give a +3 in reputation for what I feel is the best solution and I will give +1 for the runner up reply. And I will post my solution when everyone else has posted their conference complete with divisions.

8. When we have built a winner for the SEC we will take those schools off of the board and do the same for the Big 10, then ACC, then PAC or Big 12.

Okay, you have your task so get started. BTW when we are finished we will vote after I give my solution to determine the final form of the SEC.

Is every conference going to be required to have the contiguous state rule? Because if you do you have to make the SEC realignment with the other leagues in mind.

Yes, but with Colorado already in the PAC Kansas and Oklahoma make Texas contiguous.

Also, #3 says you cannot remove existing members, does that mean every P5 school finds a home? Or are you saying just the SEC can't have members removed from the SEC conference?

I'm saying for the purposes of the SEC that you can't remove members. I'll be saying the same thing for the Big 10 when we take a look at them. The reason being a practical one. Both conferences are at or near the top of the pay scale so a school leaving the SEC or Big 10 is highly unlikely. That's not the case for PAC or ACC although geography makes taking a PAC school tough for everyone but the Big 10 and Big 12.

Does every conference have to have a minimum of 16?

If every league has to have 16 and if they have to be contiguous and 2 rivals I'm not sure you can make additions to the PAC or have the PAC realigned.

They do have to have a minimum of 16, and no more than 20.

I don't mean to be a headache to the exercise but the reason I asked the questions is:
1. You can't get get contiguous expansion for the B1G & Big 12 absorbing the PAC. Colorado is the only bridge to the west if expansion is to remain contiguous.

2. You can't get contiguous and meaningful expansion leftover for the PAC IMO if OU & Texas go to the SEC. Its a stretch to say TT, OSU, TCU & KS or ISU qualify as anchoring meaningful expansion for the PAC unless you state CST product is meaningful.

I think its really hard for the 3rd & 4th leagues to maintain contiguous expansion and the standard for quality expansion adding value diminishes as well with the 3rd & 4th conferences. I can see a higher standard for the 1st two leagues but it becomes harder with leagues 3 & 4.



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ACC East
Boston College, Syracuse, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Maryland, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Miami

ACC South
UVa., Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State

If you have to go to 18, add Notre Dame to the East and South Carolina to the South
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(01-01-2018 02:30 PM)XLance Wrote:  ACC East
Boston College, Syracuse, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Maryland, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Miami

ACC South
UVa., Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State

If you have to go to 18, add Notre Dame to the East and South Carolina to the South

PSU is never leaving the B1G after the league has done a lot of things to make sure PSU succeeds. The B1G has added geographical partners in Maryland & Rutgers, by putting them in the East with Mich & OSU instead of more balanced divisions. Its more likely the ACC loses Va. or Va. Tech sometime to the B1G. Look at the huge ratings PSU games got in the B1G, its not happening.
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SEC East
Florida, Georgia, Auburn, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Louisville

SEC West
Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State, LSU, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
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