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Current SEC plus West Virginia and FSU.

West Virginia - Contiguous with Kentucky. Rivals with Kentucky and has ties with South Carolina going back to their Independent days. Scheduled to play Tennessee for the first time to open the 2018 season and it's easy to see that quickly becoming a natural rivalry as well. Expands the map to a new (albeit small) state where it's the only show in town. Gets a piece of the Pittsburgh market and help consolidate the SEC as the conference of Appalachia. Storied tradition, has had numerous top 15 finishes and BCS bowl wins this century. Stability at HC/AD/administration.

FSU - Will be difficult to pull off for various reasons but I'm picking them over Oklahoma because it's an easy case to make. Gain complete control of nearly all of Florida. Tradition and recent success. Facilities are lagging but SEC money will help there. Huge fanbase. Gives SEC 12 of the 24 largest stadiums in the country.

16 teams, no divisions. Top two records meet in Atlanta

9 game conference schedule. 6 permanent opponents, 3 rotating on/off each year. Everyone plays everyone within a 3 year span.

Permanent Opponents -

Alabama- Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, Ole Miss, FSU, TAMU
Arkansas - Missouri, Ole Miss, TAMU, Miss St, LSU, Auburn
Auburn - Alabama, UGA, Miss ST, FSU, UF, Arkansas
Florida - UGA, SC, UT, FSU, Auburn, TAMU
Florida St - UF, Auburn, Miss St, Alabama, UGA, Ole Miss
Georgia - Auburn, UF, SC, WVU, UK, FSU
Kentucky - Missouri, MSU, Vanderbilt, WVU, Tennessee, UGA
LSU - Alabama, Ole Miss, TAMU, Missouri, Arkansas, MSU
Missouri -Arkansas, Kentucky, TAMU, SC, LSU, WVU
Mississippi State -Auburn, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Florida State, Arkansas, LSU
Ole Miss - Arkansas. LSU, MSU, Alabama, Vandy, FSU
South Carolina- UF, UGA, Vandy, UT, WVU, Missouri
Tennessee - Alabama, UF, Vandy, SC, WVU, Kentucky
Texas A&M -Arkansas, LSU, Missouri, Vandy, Alabama, Florida
Vanderbilt - Kentucky, SC, UT, Ole Miss, WVU, TAMU
West Virginia - SC, Kentucky, UT, UGA, Vandy, Missouri
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(01-02-2018 01:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-02-2018 01:03 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  IN a P3 of 60 or 63 I don't think you can find reasonable grouping of conferences where each new team maintains an existing rivalry with 2 of the EXISTING members of the new conference outside of the 1st conference selected. For instance I can pick 6 with established rivalries for the SEC but you won't be able to do that with the new teams the B1G picks next. The B1G is going to go with ND, NC, Duke, Va., Va. Tech and Pitt or Syracuse. Oustide of ND all of those schools really only have rivalries or a history with Maryland. So unless only the SEC in a P3 has to have existing rivalries I don't think you can make it work.

Also, in a P3 where you have 3 pretty equal leagues I think a little horse trading could make sense. I don't know if that would still be against the rules because the SEC & B1G would theoretically have their advantage cut into by consolidating to 3 leagues. There could still be a money difference but it would be smaller and teams could decide a better fit is definitely more important than the small revenue difference.

The solution of a 3 x 20 is that essentially the schools that move form their own division and already have the rivalries and annual games with each other.

So if the SEC expanded with say Clemson, Florida State, N.C. State, Virginia Tech, Miami, and Georgia Tech, and the Big 10 expanded with Duke, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse and Virginia, and the PAC took Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, T.C.U., and Texas Tech the rivalry and familiar foe conditions are met through the additions more than through connections to current conference members.

If say the SEC were permitted to expand to 24 while the PAC & Big 10 remained at 20 then Baylor, West Virginia, Louisville, and perhaps Duke could be accommodated leaving a slot for B.C. in the Big 10. Now the only odd man out is Wake Forest.

But while I'm not advocating for this exact division I use it to illustrate that with large moves the criteria for rivals and familiar foes are met by the moves themselves.

If the powers that be decided a P3 was in the best interest of the majority I agree a little shifting of existing members might come into play. But that's a good topic for another thread. This one is just a thinking exercise so I gave it rules that would approximate how conferences might think through this process, and for fun.

If there was an equal P3, there actually would be a few ways to make a decent playoff.
1. CCG's could be removed and do a playoff of 12, obviously 4 teams receive a bye first round. CCG's do well but the increased playoff games would be can't miss tv for cfb fans and make up for it. I can watch it all day Saturday and I don't care too tune in to very many bowl games at all because they are meaningless as well as played a month after the season so you get a lousy product.
2.Each league gets 4 playoff teams and each league can do a single set of division standings or break into 4 divisions and let each division winner advance. I certainly like a single set of standings because in a league of that size, It allows for more flexibility in scheduling and scheduling better games, because some teams in these expanded leagues will not need to play each other or very rarely.
3. you can also go 16, where the top 5 go each year. The 16th spot could be rotated each year among the leagues or if there is a G5 and they still play P3 schools, the highest ranked G5 could be the 16th.

This would work a lot better if the P3 leagues negotiated tv as one entity like the NFL, NBA, and MLB. Hopefully that way we could place teams that would benefit the sport overall and in a balanced fashion. I think the P3 product would be healthier in the long run if this is adopted. If the P3/P4 tries to make the leagues too lopsided or cut too many of the markets out I believe the sport of cfb will suffer in the long run. If you cut too many schools or teams, the P3/P4 product will lose its appeal to the general population.
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JRSEC, did you forget to do your grading?
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(01-11-2018 03:18 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  JRSEC, did you forget to do your grading?

Did you not see your rep points go up? I awarded points for a variety of reasons for this exercise. You scored.
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(01-11-2018 03:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 03:18 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  JRSEC, did you forget to do your grading?

Did you not see your rep points go up? I awarded points for a variety of reasons for this exercise. You scored.

My bad, I didn't look at it and have not on reputation points before, I was thinking you would outline it in a post. Out of curiosity which one did you pick as the best option? If you were going to share with people.
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(01-11-2018 03:41 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 03:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 03:18 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  JRSEC, did you forget to do your grading?

Did you not see your rep points go up? I awarded points for a variety of reasons for this exercise. You scored.

My bad, I didn't look at it and have not on reputation points before, I was thinking you would outline it in a post. Out of curiosity which one did you pick as the best option? If you were going to share with people.

I gave out one for best original thinking, one for sound logic, and one for the best arrangement. Those were to Soobahk40050, Gamecock and Murrdcu.

I found that by giving latitude people approached it from a variety of vantage points and I thought all had merit. Sorry X you were the only one that didn't adhere to the rules about not moving existing conference members.
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(01-11-2018 05:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 03:41 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 03:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 03:18 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  JRSEC, did you forget to do your grading?

Did you not see your rep points go up? I awarded points for a variety of reasons for this exercise. You scored.

My bad, I didn't look at it and have not on reputation points before, I was thinking you would outline it in a post. Out of curiosity which one did you pick as the best option? If you were going to share with people.

I gave out one for best original thinking, one for sound logic, and one for the best arrangement. Those were to Soobahk40050, Gamecock and Murrdcu.

I found that by giving latitude people approached it from a variety of vantage points and I thought all had merit. Sorry X you were the only one that didn't adhere to the rules about not moving existing conference members.

That was the point JR, realignment has no rules.
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(01-11-2018 05:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 03:41 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 03:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 03:18 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  JRSEC, did you forget to do your grading?

Did you not see your rep points go up? I awarded points for a variety of reasons for this exercise. You scored.

My bad, I didn't look at it and have not on reputation points before, I was thinking you would outline it in a post. Out of curiosity which one did you pick as the best option? If you were going to share with people.

I gave out one for best original thinking, one for sound logic, and one for the best arrangement. Those were to Soobahk40050, Gamecock and Murrdcu.

I found that by giving latitude people approached it from a variety of vantage points and I thought all had merit. Sorry X you were the only one that didn't adhere to the rules about not moving existing conference members.

Thanks for the prompt on this one. In the OP you suggested we would.move on to the Big 10. Is that still in the plans? Ive already posted my thoughts but the further downstream I got the weirder it got so I'd love to see others "downstream" conferences too.
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(01-12-2018 12:43 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 05:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 03:41 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 03:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 03:18 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  JRSEC, did you forget to do your grading?

Did you not see your rep points go up? I awarded points for a variety of reasons for this exercise. You scored.

My bad, I didn't look at it and have not on reputation points before, I was thinking you would outline it in a post. Out of curiosity which one did you pick as the best option? If you were going to share with people.

I gave out one for best original thinking, one for sound logic, and one for the best arrangement. Those were to Soobahk40050, Gamecock and Murrdcu.

I found that by giving latitude people approached it from a variety of vantage points and I thought all had merit. Sorry X you were the only one that didn't adhere to the rules about not moving existing conference members.

Thanks for the prompt on this one. In the OP you suggested we would.move on to the Big 10. Is that still in the plans? Ive already posted my thoughts but the further downstream I got the weirder it got so I'd love to see others "downstream" conferences too.

Okay Let's now see the layouts on the Big 10. But, please repost yours so we can keep the different conferences separate.

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Post your Big 10 layouts immediately following this post!
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(01-04-2018 02:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  I choose the format of 18 schools in 3 divisions. I also choose the option that I've maintained for quite sometime.

SEC:

West: Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech

Central: Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt

East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee


Tomorrow I will judge everyone else submissions an award Rep. After we do that we will have a vote on the best conference set ups and move on to the Big 10.

(01-12-2018 12:43 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 05:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 03:41 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 03:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 03:18 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  JRSEC, did you forget to do your grading?

Did you not see your rep points go up? I awarded points for a variety of reasons for this exercise. You scored.

My bad, I didn't look at it and have not on reputation points before, I was thinking you would outline it in a post. Out of curiosity which one did you pick as the best option? If you were going to share with people.

I gave out one for best original thinking, one for sound logic, and one for the best arrangement. Those were to Soobahk40050, Gamecock and Murrdcu.

I found that by giving latitude people approached it from a variety of vantage points and I thought all had merit. Sorry X you were the only one that didn't adhere to the rules about not moving existing conference members.

Thanks for the prompt on this one. In the OP you suggested we would.move on to the Big 10. Is that still in the plans? Ive already posted my thoughts but the further downstream I got the weirder it got so I'd love to see others "downstream" conferences too.

I’m gonna say the Big Ten adds Kansas as I have the sec offering both bedlam rivals to secure the Norman boys.

I don’t really see a match outside of KU the B1G could add outside of an AAC School unless some of the PAC schools become willing to join them.

Big West: Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Big Central: Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan State
Big East: Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan

Conference semifinals approved as conference commissioners dislike seeing same conference finalists in CFP.
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