(01-02-2018 01:49 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  David St.--"Well, we do have to look at these schools as well." [see list]






NOT SO. There are PLENTY of independents and unhappy schools in G5 to supply any scenario.

G% split ignores La.-Monroe, Texas State, Georgia State, Charlotte. There seems to be bids to grab James Madison. SBC wants them, but James Madison wants C-USA.

(01-02-2018 01:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Savannah State have not yet been approved to rejoin D2.

They have to be invited by a conference first which they have not yet got.

When will you ever learn. The above quote was posted 2 Jan 2018; while the SIAC released the following article on 7 Dec 2017.

SSU MOVES TO DIVISION II SOUTHERN INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETIC CONFERENCE

The first sentence is actually correct; only because the the deadline for applications is 1 Feb and membership status is determined in July. The rest of the post is just fantasy nonsense not worth repeating.

(01-02-2018 05:53 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 01:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Savannah State have not yet been approved to rejoin D2.

They have to be invited by a conference first which they have not yet got.

When will you ever learn. The above quote was posted 2 Jan 2018; while the SIAC released the following article on 7 Dec 2017.

SSU MOVES TO DIVISION II SOUTHERN INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETIC CONFERENCE

The first sentence is actually correct; only because the the deadline for applications is 1 Feb and membership status is determined in July. The rest of the post is just fantasy nonsense not worth repeating.

So they demoted themselves down?

(12-31-2017 04:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 03:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 03:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 01:24 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 01:00 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Reformed SWC
Rice (C-USA- former SWC member since 1915)
SMU (AAC- former SWC member 1918)
Houston (AAC- former SWC member 1972)
North Texas (C-USA)
UTSA (C-USA)
Memphis (AAC)
LA Tech (C-USA)
Southern Miss (C-USA)
Arkansas State (Sun Belt)

Drop Memphis and add UTEP, TSU, and NMSU for regionality (Texas-centric), and that's a great nSWC, IMHO. Maybe Tulsa too/instead.

A good balance to the MWC out west, and the AAC out east.

That would make for a weaker conference and also spread it out more. For travel purposes the combination of Memphis, LA Tech, Southern Miss, and Arkansas State create a similar triangle of programs to what Texas would have between Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio. Also the old SWC was never larger then 9 teams. I think it is best to keep this version at the same number. Adding the programs you mentioned wouldn't do anything to increase revenue and only make it difficult to separate teams into divisions.

I think my original configuration above is the only logical possibility from a regional, financial, and competitive standpoint, for ever reforming something like the old SWC, if the bottom has truly fallen out on G5 the media revenue.

Lets assume every network offers the AAC 50 cents and bag of potatoe chips for the next 10 years during the up coming negotiations. Lets assume the same thing happens to all the G5 and they are all told thier games will only be on some sort of streaming platform if they accept any of these network .50 cent deals.

Under that scenario, I'd assume every G5 would be looking to trim travel costs, increase ticket sales, and generate more in stadium income. TV markets and footprint would be irrelevant. Basketball credits would probably have some importance.

Under that scenario what you are proposing isnt bad. You can play around here or there with the membership--but what your suggesting would probably be along the lnes of what would happen. Tulsa and Texas St would each be worth considering as members too. Whoever your final 9-12 member are, I'd suggest adding Wichita St as a basketball only school.

*I like UTEP for their basketball history, but considering their lone addition would double the spread of the conference and increase travel for all the other sports, it just doesn't seem worth it.

*Texas State would only add a mouth to feed. They are a mess. My idea behind this conference was to bring together the G5 programs that were actually in the SWC and add regional programs that are winning and showing real commitment to continue winning. Programs that are not winning would only bring a mouth to feed. I'd like it to be a conference where every program is committed to elevating their athletics. I think that is how a conference gets stronger.

*Tulsa has historically been able to field competitive teams, but the problem is they are small with limited growth potential and I don't see two other programs worth adding with them to get the conference to 12.

Like I said right now these 9 regional programs appear to be headed in a common direction with respect to success and growth. If these teams were an actual conference their combined record would have been 61-50 this season, and that's with Rice's 1-11 season. That would be the best over record of any G5 this season. If there were an airport meeting, this group would made sense.

But, like I said, I'm very happy in C-USA. This is just an off-season hypothetical discussion.

With all due respect, so what if Texas St is another mouth to feed? These configurations are about ticket sales and cheap travel costs--not TV. The only way the AAC schools would consider it is if TV isnt a factor. The best visiting crowd Ive seen in the last 5 years was Texas St. Look---Texas St football is going to be a successful eventually--its just a matter of getting the right administration and coach. They are spending the money and have quality facilities.

I see Texas St as the 4th largest student body in Texas. They are a traditional college town (not a commuter school), they are located less than an hour from a pair of major cities, they are located within easy driving distance of every Texas school, and they have a really marketable name. They probably have the most potential of all the CUSA/Sunbelt schools in Texas.

Honestly, any G5 SWC probably should have all the Texas G5's except UTEP (just too dang far) and Arky St. Sprinkle in Memphis, S Miss, LaTech, and ULL and you may not have a super conference--but you have a ton of potential rivalries with lots of alums rubbing shoulders at the office along with easy cheap travel. lol...those schools will all absolutely hate each other within 3 or 4 years.

Strangely, Arky St fans think they would not like that configuration--but the truth is that would be the best conference they have ever been in and, frankly, its the same configuration that the Razorbacks enjoyed their most successful years. No reason Arky St wouldnt excel in a similar configuration.

(01-01-2018 03:38 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 10:28 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  As I've said before, with any sort of C-USA/SBC reshuffle you either need total agreement or an airport meeting of disenlightened members. The first is pretty much a nonstarter which means you would need to identify schools who are unhappy with the current set up. The following are reasons an institution might be unhappy:

Travel costs
Revenue
Academic profile of their conference mates
Desire to be in a conference with one or more other schools
Unhappy with quality of football product
Unhappy with quality of basketball product
Size of Conference

The eastern 7 could form that disgruntled core.
In the west I think finding schools who are both unhappy and have similar goals is trickier. Rice and UTEP have expressed interest in the MWC as the solution to their problems. UAB and USM might not like their current situation but would they really want UTEP, and the travel that goes with them, in a new league centered on their needs.

I find it interesting that ODU, MTSU have been rather vocal about affiliation (seriously even when people don't go on the record it is always worth noting that some newspapers magically get information no one else has such as the reporting on the TV numbers).

If CUSA East wanted to defect as a group things can be somewhat simpler.

UAB if anything is brewing there it isn't becoming public.
USM has been a point of several articles but the media reporting has been different (ie. the nice neat east/west split) USM may be disgruntled but isn't leaking hard info or the paper is just picking up on an underlying vibe from the school and fans and spitballing what it might look like if USM were to act.

USM and UAB are the schools one would assume would be most likely to be in a defection mood. They are very close to the center of the conference but well east of the division mid-point and they are the only remaining charter members and 2005 to 2012 were in the same division as Marshall and different division from UTEP and Rice which is now flipped.

ODU and MTSU being leak points is less understandable. They presumably have a division that looks mostly like what they want and only traveling for cross-over games. I don't buy that UAB is important to them. Remember when the commissioner floated going to 16 the rumor mill said the targets were Arkansas State and Louisiana Lafayette to permit UAB to shift east and the eastern talk was opposition unless an eastern school was included (JMU). UAB would be in the east if the expansion hadn't been torpedoed

I don't think there is a ton on love on either side of Conference USA for members of the other division. Most of the schools that each member wants to associate with fall within their division. MTSU might have a thing for UAB but I don't know that the feeling is mutual.

Think about this for a moment: if UTEP, Rice, USM, and UAB had known that they were going to be 4 of the last 5 2005-2012 C-USA schools left who would they have rebuilt with?

My guess is ODU and Charlotte aren't on that list--those were adds ECU and Marshall wanted.
FIU and FAU probably aren't on their radar either.
My guess is that those 4 schools would haul in UNT, UTSA, and LA Tech like they did in real life. Beyond that, I think the other 3 they'd want for a 10 team league would be ULL, Ark St, and MTSU.
Marshall could join the MAC or stick around and and have WKU come in as #12.

(01-02-2018 07:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 03:38 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 10:28 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  As I've said before, with any sort of C-USA/SBC reshuffle you either need total agreement or an airport meeting of disenlightened members. The first is pretty much a nonstarter which means you would need to identify schools who are unhappy with the current set up. The following are reasons an institution might be unhappy:

Travel costs
Revenue
Academic profile of their conference mates
Desire to be in a conference with one or more other schools
Unhappy with quality of football product
Unhappy with quality of basketball product
Size of Conference

The eastern 7 could form that disgruntled core.
In the west I think finding schools who are both unhappy and have similar goals is trickier. Rice and UTEP have expressed interest in the MWC as the solution to their problems. UAB and USM might not like their current situation but would they really want UTEP, and the travel that goes with them, in a new league centered on their needs.

I find it interesting that ODU, MTSU have been rather vocal about affiliation (seriously even when people don't go on the record it is always worth noting that some newspapers magically get information no one else has such as the reporting on the TV numbers).

If CUSA East wanted to defect as a group things can be somewhat simpler.

UAB if anything is brewing there it isn't becoming public.
USM has been a point of several articles but the media reporting has been different (ie. the nice neat east/west split) USM may be disgruntled but isn't leaking hard info or the paper is just picking up on an underlying vibe from the school and fans and spitballing what it might look like if USM were to act.

USM and UAB are the schools one would assume would be most likely to be in a defection mood. They are very close to the center of the conference but well east of the division mid-point and they are the only remaining charter members and 2005 to 2012 were in the same division as Marshall and different division from UTEP and Rice which is now flipped.

ODU and MTSU being leak points is less understandable. They presumably have a division that looks mostly like what they want and only traveling for cross-over games. I don't buy that UAB is important to them. Remember when the commissioner floated going to 16 the rumor mill said the targets were Arkansas State and Louisiana Lafayette to permit UAB to shift east and the eastern talk was opposition unless an eastern school was included (JMU). UAB would be in the east if the expansion hadn't been torpedoed

I don't think there is a ton on love on either side of Conference USA for members of the other division. Most of the schools that each member wants to associate with fall within their division. MTSU might have a thing for UAB but I don't know that the feeling is mutual.

Think about this for a moment: if UTEP, Rice, USM, and UAB had known that they were going to be 4 of the last 5 2005-2012 C-USA schools left who would they have rebuilt with?

My guess is ODU and Charlotte aren't on that list--those were adds ECU and Marshall wanted.
FIU and FAU probably aren't on their radar either.
My guess is that those 4 schools would haul in UNT, UTSA, and LA Tech like they did in real life. Beyond that, I think the other 3 they'd want for a 10 team league would be ULL, Ark St, and MTSU.
Marshall could join the MAC or stick around and and have WKU come in as #12.

I would like to see a northeast conference with Marshall, ODU, James madison and UMass. to form which they could grab other CAA northeast schools, Eastern Kentucky and Youngstown State. You would get some P5 killers in that conference.

(01-02-2018 06:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 05:53 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 01:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Savannah State have not yet been approved to rejoin D2.

They have to be invited by a conference first which they have not yet got.

When will you ever learn. The above quote was posted 2 Jan 2018; while the SIAC released the following article on 7 Dec 2017.

SSU MOVES TO DIVISION II SOUTHERN INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETIC CONFERENCE

The first sentence is actually correct; only because the the deadline for applications is 1 Feb and membership status is determined in July. The rest of the post is just fantasy nonsense not worth repeating.

So they demoted themselves down?

Yes. With membership acceptance in July: 2018-19 will be the last in D1 and MEAC, 2019-20 will be full competition in D2 and SIAC with postseason eligible beginning in 2021-22.

(01-02-2018 08:18 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 06:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 05:53 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 01:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Savannah State have not yet been approved to rejoin D2.

They have to be invited by a conference first which they have not yet got.

When will you ever learn. The above quote was posted 2 Jan 2018; while the SIAC released the following article on 7 Dec 2017.

SSU MOVES TO DIVISION II SOUTHERN INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETIC CONFERENCE

The first sentence is actually correct; only because the the deadline for applications is 1 Feb and membership status is determined in July. The rest of the post is just fantasy nonsense not worth repeating.

So they demoted themselves down?

Yes. With membership acceptance in July: 2018-19 will be the last in D1 and MEAC, 2019-20 will be full competition in D2 and SIAC with postseason eligible beginning in 2021-22.

Wow.....is this common? Who’s the last to do this?

(01-02-2018 06:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 04:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 03:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 03:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 01:24 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  Drop Memphis and add UTEP, TSU, and NMSU for regionality (Texas-centric), and that's a great nSWC, IMHO. Maybe Tulsa too/instead.

A good balance to the MWC out west, and the AAC out east.

That would make for a weaker conference and also spread it out more. For travel purposes the combination of Memphis, LA Tech, Southern Miss, and Arkansas State create a similar triangle of programs to what Texas would have between Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio. Also the old SWC was never larger then 9 teams. I think it is best to keep this version at the same number. Adding the programs you mentioned wouldn't do anything to increase revenue and only make it difficult to separate teams into divisions.

I think my original configuration above is the only logical possibility from a regional, financial, and competitive standpoint, for ever reforming something like the old SWC, if the bottom has truly fallen out on G5 the media revenue.

Lets assume every network offers the AAC 50 cents and bag of potatoe chips for the next 10 years during the up coming negotiations. Lets assume the same thing happens to all the G5 and they are all told thier games will only be on some sort of streaming platform if they accept any of these network .50 cent deals.

Under that scenario, I'd assume every G5 would be looking to trim travel costs, increase ticket sales, and generate more in stadium income. TV markets and footprint would be irrelevant. Basketball credits would probably have some importance.

Under that scenario what you are proposing isnt bad. You can play around here or there with the membership--but what your suggesting would probably be along the lnes of what would happen. Tulsa and Texas St would each be worth considering as members too. Whoever your final 9-12 member are, I'd suggest adding Wichita St as a basketball only school.

*I like UTEP for their basketball history, but considering their lone addition would double the spread of the conference and increase travel for all the other sports, it just doesn't seem worth it.

*Texas State would only add a mouth to feed. They are a mess. My idea behind this conference was to bring together the G5 programs that were actually in the SWC and add regional programs that are winning and showing real commitment to continue winning. Programs that are not winning would only bring a mouth to feed. I'd like it to be a conference where every program is committed to elevating their athletics. I think that is how a conference gets stronger.

*Tulsa has historically been able to field competitive teams, but the problem is they are small with limited growth potential and I don't see two other programs worth adding with them to get the conference to 12.

Like I said right now these 9 regional programs appear to be headed in a common direction with respect to success and growth. If these teams were an actual conference their combined record would have been 61-50 this season, and that's with Rice's 1-11 season. That would be the best over record of any G5 this season. If there were an airport meeting, this group would made sense.

But, like I said, I'm very happy in C-USA. This is just an off-season hypothetical discussion.

With all due respect, so what if Texas St is another mouth to feed? These configurations are about ticket sales and cheap travel costs--not TV. The only way the AAC schools would consider it is if TV isnt a factor. The best visiting crowd Ive seen in the last 5 years was Texas St. Look---Texas St football is going to be a successful eventually--its just a matter of getting the right administration and coach. They are spending the money and have quality facilities.

I see Texas St as the 4th largest student body in Texas. They are a traditional college town (not a commuter school), they are located less than an hour from a pair of major cities, they are located within easy driving distance of every Texas school, and they have a really marketable name. They probably have the most potential of all the CUSA/Sunbelt schools in Texas.

Honestly, any G5 SWC probably should have all the Texas G5's except UTEP (just too dang far) and Arky St. Sprinkle in Memphis, S Miss, LaTech, and ULL and you may not have a super conference--but you have a ton of potential rivalries with lots of alums rubbing shoulder along with easy cheap travel. lol...those schools will all absolutely hate each other within 3 or 4 years.

Strangely Srky St fans think they would not like that configuration--but the truth is that would be the best confernece they have ever been in and, frankly, its the same configuration that the Razorback enjoyed their most successful years. No reason Arky St wouldnt excel in a similar configuration.

I agree with this. I’d love to see it.

(01-02-2018 08:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 08:18 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 06:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 05:53 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 01:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Savannah State have not yet been approved to rejoin D2.

They have to be invited by a conference first which they have not yet got.

When will you ever learn. The above quote was posted 2 Jan 2018; while the SIAC released the following article on 7 Dec 2017.

SSU MOVES TO DIVISION II SOUTHERN INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETIC CONFERENCE

The first sentence is actually correct; only because the the deadline for applications is 1 Feb and membership status is determined in July. The rest of the post is just fantasy nonsense not worth repeating.

So they demoted themselves down?

Yes. With membership acceptance in July: 2018-19 will be the last in D1 and MEAC, 2019-20 will be full competition in D2 and SIAC with postseason eligible beginning in 2021-22.

Wow.....is this common? Who’s the last to do this?

New Orleans was in the process of going D2 in 2011 but changed their mind during the first year to return to D1. I think the last school to fully leave D1 was Centenary (LA) to D3, don't remember what year.

(01-02-2018 08:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 08:18 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 06:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 05:53 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 01:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Savannah State have not yet been approved to rejoin D2.

They have to be invited by a conference first which they have not yet got.

When will you ever learn. The above quote was posted 2 Jan 2018; while the SIAC released the following article on 7 Dec 2017.

SSU MOVES TO DIVISION II SOUTHERN INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETIC CONFERENCE

The first sentence is actually correct; only because the the deadline for applications is 1 Feb and membership status is determined in July. The rest of the post is just fantasy nonsense not worth repeating.

So they demoted themselves down?

Yes. With membership acceptance in July: 2018-19 will be the last in D1 and MEAC, 2019-20 will be full competition in D2 and SIAC with postseason eligible beginning in 2021-22.

Wow.....is this common? Who’s the last to do this?

Birmingham Southern did it but don't have the year handy

(01-02-2018 06:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 04:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 03:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 03:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 01:24 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  Drop Memphis and add UTEP, TSU, and NMSU for regionality (Texas-centric), and that's a great nSWC, IMHO. Maybe Tulsa too/instead.

A good balance to the MWC out west, and the AAC out east.

That would make for a weaker conference and also spread it out more. For travel purposes the combination of Memphis, LA Tech, Southern Miss, and Arkansas State create a similar triangle of programs to what Texas would have between Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio. Also the old SWC was never larger then 9 teams. I think it is best to keep this version at the same number. Adding the programs you mentioned wouldn't do anything to increase revenue and only make it difficult to separate teams into divisions.

I think my original configuration above is the only logical possibility from a regional, financial, and competitive standpoint, for ever reforming something like the old SWC, if the bottom has truly fallen out on G5 the media revenue.

Lets assume every network offers the AAC 50 cents and bag of potatoe chips for the next 10 years during the up coming negotiations. Lets assume the same thing happens to all the G5 and they are all told thier games will only be on some sort of streaming platform if they accept any of these network .50 cent deals.

Under that scenario, I'd assume every G5 would be looking to trim travel costs, increase ticket sales, and generate more in stadium income. TV markets and footprint would be irrelevant. Basketball credits would probably have some importance.

Under that scenario what you are proposing isnt bad. You can play around here or there with the membership--but what your suggesting would probably be along the lnes of what would happen. Tulsa and Texas St would each be worth considering as members too. Whoever your final 9-12 member are, I'd suggest adding Wichita St as a basketball only school.

*I like UTEP for their basketball history, but considering their lone addition would double the spread of the conference and increase travel for all the other sports, it just doesn't seem worth it.

*Texas State would only add a mouth to feed. They are a mess. My idea behind this conference was to bring together the G5 programs that were actually in the SWC and add regional programs that are winning and showing real commitment to continue winning. Programs that are not winning would only bring a mouth to feed. I'd like it to be a conference where every program is committed to elevating their athletics. I think that is how a conference gets stronger.

*Tulsa has historically been able to field competitive teams, but the problem is they are small with limited growth potential and I don't see two other programs worth adding with them to get the conference to 12.

Like I said right now these 9 regional programs appear to be headed in a common direction with respect to success and growth. If these teams were an actual conference their combined record would have been 61-50 this season, and that's with Rice's 1-11 season. That would be the best over record of any G5 this season. If there were an airport meeting, this group would made sense.

But, like I said, I'm very happy in C-USA. This is just an off-season hypothetical discussion.

With all due respect, so what if Texas St is another mouth to feed? These configurations are about ticket sales and cheap travel costs--not TV. The only way the AAC schools would consider it is if TV isnt a factor. The best visiting crowd Ive seen in the last 5 years was Texas St. Look---Texas St football is going to be a successful eventually--its just a matter of getting the right administration and coach. They are spending the money and have quality facilities.

I see Texas St as the 4th largest student body in Texas. They are a traditional college town (not a commuter school), they are located less than an hour from a pair of major cities, they are located within easy driving distance of every Texas school, and they have a really marketable name. They probably have the most potential of all the CUSA/Sunbelt schools in Texas.

Honestly, any G5 SWC probably should have all the Texas G5's except UTEP (just too dang far) and Arky St. Sprinkle in Memphis, S Miss, LaTech, and ULL and you may not have a super conference--but you have a ton of potential rivalries with lots of alums rubbing shoulder along with easy cheap travel. lol...those schools will all absolutely hate each other within 3 or 4 years.

Strangely Srky St fans think they would not like that configuration--but the truth is that would be the best confernece they have ever been in and, frankly, its the same configuration that the Razorback enjoyed their most successful years. No reason Arky St wouldnt excel in a similar configuration.

I'm a North Texas fan. I know exactly how long it can take to get the right administration and coach. Texas State is a mess right now, and have been down for 3 straight years. From what I have heard, they are close to maxing out their student fee, so I have doubts about their financial situation when it comes to their ability to buy their way out of some bad coaches. I think they are in a bad geographical situation. I think they are too close to UT, which owns the Austin market (& and a big part of Texas), and UTSA, which is the only game in San Antonio. At best, they have the weakest claim to a percentage of either market. With two large public universities setting in the markets they need, they will probably struggle for relevance among those markets. Also, they had some sad attendance numbers this season. Their facilities are nice. I will give you that. Nothing against Texas State, I just have doubts about their future.

I have not heard any Arkansas State fans complaining about this line-up. I know some had bemoaned that they were building for a big AAC invitation, but I bet they would find this configuration agreeable, if every G5 were to take a similar hair cut to the one C-USA got.

I don't see a 12 team combo that would make the conference work. 9 is a good number. 10 at the most, for championship game purposes. But if that were the case, I'd prefer Tulsa over Texas State to my original line-up.

(01-02-2018 08:50 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 08:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 08:18 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 06:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 05:53 PM)AZcats Wrote:  When will you ever learn. The above quote was posted 2 Jan 2018; while the SIAC released the following article on 7 Dec 2017.

SSU MOVES TO DIVISION II SOUTHERN INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETIC CONFERENCE

The first sentence is actually correct; only because the the deadline for applications is 1 Feb and membership status is determined in July. The rest of the post is just fantasy nonsense not worth repeating.

So they demoted themselves down?

Yes. With membership acceptance in July: 2018-19 will be the last in D1 and MEAC, 2019-20 will be full competition in D2 and SIAC with postseason eligible beginning in 2021-22.

Wow.....is this common? Who’s the last to do this?

Birmingham Southern did it but don't have the year handy

Winston-Salem State was the most recently from the MEAC to D2.
Hardin-Simmons was another that dropped from D1 to D3 in the 1990s.
OKCU went from D1 to NAIA back in the 1980s.Before then, you had more schools dropped to lower divisions between the 1970 to 1985.

(01-02-2018 09:15 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 06:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 04:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 03:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 03:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  That would make for a weaker conference and also spread it out more. For travel purposes the combination of Memphis, LA Tech, Southern Miss, and Arkansas State create a similar triangle of programs to what Texas would have between Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio. Also the old SWC was never larger then 9 teams. I think it is best to keep this version at the same number. Adding the programs you mentioned wouldn't do anything to increase revenue and only make it difficult to separate teams into divisions.

I think my original configuration above is the only logical possibility from a regional, financial, and competitive standpoint, for ever reforming something like the old SWC, if the bottom has truly fallen out on G5 the media revenue.

Lets assume every network offers the AAC 50 cents and bag of potatoe chips for the next 10 years during the up coming negotiations. Lets assume the same thing happens to all the G5 and they are all told thier games will only be on some sort of streaming platform if they accept any of these network .50 cent deals.

Under that scenario, I'd assume every G5 would be looking to trim travel costs, increase ticket sales, and generate more in stadium income. TV markets and footprint would be irrelevant. Basketball credits would probably have some importance.

Under that scenario what you are proposing isnt bad. You can play around here or there with the membership--but what your suggesting would probably be along the lnes of what would happen. Tulsa and Texas St would each be worth considering as members too. Whoever your final 9-12 member are, I'd suggest adding Wichita St as a basketball only school.

*I like UTEP for their basketball history, but considering their lone addition would double the spread of the conference and increase travel for all the other sports, it just doesn't seem worth it.

*Texas State would only add a mouth to feed. They are a mess. My idea behind this conference was to bring together the G5 programs that were actually in the SWC and add regional programs that are winning and showing real commitment to continue winning. Programs that are not winning would only bring a mouth to feed. I'd like it to be a conference where every program is committed to elevating their athletics. I think that is how a conference gets stronger.

*Tulsa has historically been able to field competitive teams, but the problem is they are small with limited growth potential and I don't see two other programs worth adding with them to get the conference to 12.

Like I said right now these 9 regional programs appear to be headed in a common direction with respect to success and growth. If these teams were an actual conference their combined record would have been 61-50 this season, and that's with Rice's 1-11 season. That would be the best over record of any G5 this season. If there were an airport meeting, this group would made sense.

But, like I said, I'm very happy in C-USA. This is just an off-season hypothetical discussion.

With all due respect, so what if Texas St is another mouth to feed? These configurations are about ticket sales and cheap travel costs--not TV. The only way the AAC schools would consider it is if TV isnt a factor. The best visiting crowd Ive seen in the last 5 years was Texas St. Look---Texas St football is going to be a successful eventually--its just a matter of getting the right administration and coach. They are spending the money and have quality facilities.

I see Texas St as the 4th largest student body in Texas. They are a traditional college town (not a commuter school), they are located less than an hour from a pair of major cities, they are located within easy driving distance of every Texas school, and they have a really marketable name. They probably have the most potential of all the CUSA/Sunbelt schools in Texas.

Honestly, any G5 SWC probably should have all the Texas G5's except UTEP (just too dang far) and Arky St. Sprinkle in Memphis, S Miss, LaTech, and ULL and you may not have a super conference--but you have a ton of potential rivalries with lots of alums rubbing shoulder along with easy cheap travel. lol...those schools will all absolutely hate each other within 3 or 4 years.

Strangely Srky St fans think they would not like that configuration--but the truth is that would be the best confernece they have ever been in and, frankly, its the same configuration that the Razorback enjoyed their most successful years. No reason Arky St wouldnt excel in a similar configuration.

I'm a North Texas fan. I know exactly how long it can take to get the right administration and coach. Texas State is a mess right now, and have been down for 3 straight years. From what I have heard, they are close to maxing out their student fee, so I have doubts about their financial situation when it comes to their ability to buy their way out of some bad coaches. I think they are in a bad geographical situation. I think they are too close to UT, which owns the Austin market (& and a big part of Texas), and UTSA, which is the only game in San Antonio. At best, they have the weakest claim to a percentage of either market. With two large public universities setting in the markets they need, they will probably struggle for relevance among those markets. Also, they had some sad attendance numbers this season. Their facilities are nice. I will give you that. Nothing against Texas State, I just have doubts about their future.

I have not heard any Arkansas State fans complaining about this line-up. I know some had bemoaned that they were building for a big AAC invitation, but I bet they would find this configuration agreeable, if every G5 were to take a similar hair cut to the one C-USA got.

I don't see a 12 team combo that would make the conference work. 9 is a good number. 10 at the most, for championship game purposes. But if that were the case, I'd prefer Tulsa over Texas State to my original line-up.

My eyes glaze over when people start doing lists. From an AState perspective give us affiliation with USM and at least one Alabama team and we are probably happy though coaches would want a Georgia team doubt AD or chancellor would consider a Georgia team a deal breaker.
Chancellor would jump on a Texas heavy league because Texas is a serious exporter of college students. Athletics would be less enthusiastic because the rise of football has coincided with reducing recruiting in Texas and increasing Alabama and Georgia.
We know who wins when the AD and chancellor disagree and in this case the chancellor picked up his degrees in Texas and was a Oklahoma’s faculty athletic representative. He’s going to favor aligning with Texas schools.


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(01-02-2018 09:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 08:50 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 08:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 08:18 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 06:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  So they demoted themselves down?

Yes. With membership acceptance in July: 2018-19 will be the last in D1 and MEAC, 2019-20 will be full competition in D2 and SIAC with postseason eligible beginning in 2021-22.

Wow.....is this common? Who’s the last to do this?

Birmingham Southern did it but don't have the year handy

Winston-Salem State was the most recently from the MEAC to D2.
Hardin-Simmons was another that dropped from D1 to D3 in the 1990s.
OKCU went from D1 to NAIA back in the 1980s.Before then, you had more schools dropped to lower divisions between the 1970 to 1985.

The question was "Who’s the last to do this?" Winston-Salem State was never a Full D1 or MEAC member and terminated their D1 reclassifying in 2010. Centenary (LA) was the last Full D1 member to leave in 2011, Birmingham Southern left D1 in 2006.

(12-30-2017 03:48 PM)TTT Wrote:  I could care less about ODU.

Add WKU, MTSU, Marshall, and Troy and I'm a happy camper.

Agreed!!!!

(01-02-2018 08:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I would like to see a northeast conference with Marshall, ODU, James madison and UMass. to form which they could grab other CAA northeast schools, Eastern Kentucky and Youngstown State. You would get some P5 killers in that conference.

You've lost your frickin' mind. THAT nonsense is never going to happen.

I would like to see App State, Marshall, and Georgia Southern back in the same conference again. This would bring in huge crowds at all three schools for those games. It would mean each year you could have one at home and one away. This would help yearly attendance averages bump up too.

(01-03-2018 12:52 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 09:15 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 06:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 04:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 03:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Lets assume every network offers the AAC 50 cents and bag of potatoe chips for the next 10 years during the up coming negotiations. Lets assume the same thing happens to all the G5 and they are all told thier games will only be on some sort of streaming platform if they accept any of these network .50 cent deals.

Under that scenario, I'd assume every G5 would be looking to trim travel costs, increase ticket sales, and generate more in stadium income. TV markets and footprint would be irrelevant. Basketball credits would probably have some importance.

Under that scenario what you are proposing isnt bad. You can play around here or there with the membership--but what your suggesting would probably be along the lnes of what would happen. Tulsa and Texas St would each be worth considering as members too. Whoever your final 9-12 member are, I'd suggest adding Wichita St as a basketball only school.

*I like UTEP for their basketball history, but considering their lone addition would double the spread of the conference and increase travel for all the other sports, it just doesn't seem worth it.

*Texas State would only add a mouth to feed. They are a mess. My idea behind this conference was to bring together the G5 programs that were actually in the SWC and add regional programs that are winning and showing real commitment to continue winning. Programs that are not winning would only bring a mouth to feed. I'd like it to be a conference where every program is committed to elevating their athletics. I think that is how a conference gets stronger.

*Tulsa has historically been able to field competitive teams, but the problem is they are small with limited growth potential and I don't see two other programs worth adding with them to get the conference to 12.

Like I said right now these 9 regional programs appear to be headed in a common direction with respect to success and growth. If these teams were an actual conference their combined record would have been 61-50 this season, and that's with Rice's 1-11 season. That would be the best over record of any G5 this season. If there were an airport meeting, this group would made sense.

But, like I said, I'm very happy in C-USA. This is just an off-season hypothetical discussion.

With all due respect, so what if Texas St is another mouth to feed? These configurations are about ticket sales and cheap travel costs--not TV. The only way the AAC schools would consider it is if TV isnt a factor. The best visiting crowd Ive seen in the last 5 years was Texas St. Look---Texas St football is going to be a successful eventually--its just a matter of getting the right administration and coach. They are spending the money and have quality facilities.

I see Texas St as the 4th largest student body in Texas. They are a traditional college town (not a commuter school), they are located less than an hour from a pair of major cities, they are located within easy driving distance of every Texas school, and they have a really marketable name. They probably have the most potential of all the CUSA/Sunbelt schools in Texas.

Honestly, any G5 SWC probably should have all the Texas G5's except UTEP (just too dang far) and Arky St. Sprinkle in Memphis, S Miss, LaTech, and ULL and you may not have a super conference--but you have a ton of potential rivalries with lots of alums rubbing shoulder along with easy cheap travel. lol...those schools will all absolutely hate each other within 3 or 4 years.

Strangely Srky St fans think they would not like that configuration--but the truth is that would be the best confernece they have ever been in and, frankly, its the same configuration that the Razorback enjoyed their most successful years. No reason Arky St wouldnt excel in a similar configuration.

I'm a North Texas fan. I know exactly how long it can take to get the right administration and coach. Texas State is a mess right now, and have been down for 3 straight years. From what I have heard, they are close to maxing out their student fee, so I have doubts about their financial situation when it comes to their ability to buy their way out of some bad coaches. I think they are in a bad geographical situation. I think they are too close to UT, which owns the Austin market (& and a big part of Texas), and UTSA, which is the only game in San Antonio. At best, they have the weakest claim to a percentage of either market. With two large public universities setting in the markets they need, they will probably struggle for relevance among those markets. Also, they had some sad attendance numbers this season. Their facilities are nice. I will give you that. Nothing against Texas State, I just have doubts about their future.

I have not heard any Arkansas State fans complaining about this line-up. I know some had bemoaned that they were building for a big AAC invitation, but I bet they would find this configuration agreeable, if every G5 were to take a similar hair cut to the one C-USA got.

I don't see a 12 team combo that would make the conference work. 9 is a good number. 10 at the most, for championship game purposes. But if that were the case, I'd prefer Tulsa over Texas State to my original line-up.

My eyes glaze over when people start doing lists. From an AState perspective give us affiliation with USM and at least one Alabama team and we are probably happy though coaches would want a Georgia team doubt AD or chancellor would consider a Georgia team a deal breaker.
Chancellor would jump on a Texas heavy league because Texas is a serious exporter of college students. Athletics would be less enthusiastic because the rise of football has coincided with reducing recruiting in Texas and increasing Alabama and Georgia.
We know who wins when the AD and chancellor disagree and in this case the chancellor picked up his degrees in Texas and was a Oklahoma’s faculty athletic representative. He’s going to favor aligning with Texas schools.


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No Alabama team in this model, but you would get Memphis, which is only about 70 miles away from Jonesboro. I'd think that would be enough to satisfy the A-State crowd.

(01-03-2018 12:27 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I would like to see App State, Marshall, and Georgia Southern back in the same conference again. This would bring in huge crowds at all three schools for those games. It would mean each year you could have one at home and one away. This would help yearly attendance averages bump up too.

Agree