(12-29-2017 08:56 AM)jmudukes Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 11:10 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 06:36 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 06:06 PM)waterwagen79 Wrote:  FBS related question:

"Q: Would it be worth it for James Madison to make the jump to the F.B.S.?

A: It’s something that has been debated a good bit. J.M.U.’s resources are on par with a lot of F.B.S. midmajors. It wouldn’t be a drastic overhaul. But you weigh that against the experiences we’ve had winning a national championship and playing for another one. If we transition, it certainly wouldn’t be in the near future. There’s a lot to be said for winning. Who knows if you’d ever have a chance to do that at the next level?"

Hrm. You could read that a couple ways. When I read it the first time, I thought he was saying that if we transition, we wouldn't be having this level of success/winning in the near future. Re-reading it, I'm not sure what he means.

'it' means experience. If we transition, the experience would not be the same. I agree.

it means its impossible to play for the national championship in the FBS from a G5 conference.

FIFY

(12-29-2017 09:01 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 08:56 AM)jmudukes Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 11:10 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 06:36 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 06:06 PM)waterwagen79 Wrote:  FBS related question:

"Q: Would it be worth it for James Madison to make the jump to the F.B.S.?

A: It’s something that has been debated a good bit. J.M.U.’s resources are on par with a lot of F.B.S. midmajors. It wouldn’t be a drastic overhaul. But you weigh that against the experiences we’ve had winning a national championship and playing for another one. If we transition, it certainly wouldn’t be in the near future. There’s a lot to be said for winning. Who knows if you’d ever have a chance to do that at the next level?"

Hrm. You could read that a couple ways. When I read it the first time, I thought he was saying that if we transition, we wouldn't be having this level of success/winning in the near future. Re-reading it, I'm not sure what he means.

'it' means experience. If we transition, the experience would not be the same. I agree.

it means its impossible to play for the national championship in the FBS from a G5 conference.

FIFY

That's right! You got it. Impossible is the right word. We play in some forgotten bowl game in a good year and not a NC game. The experience is not equal. The life blood of college football is recruiting and JMU is in one of the best recruiting positions, maybe even better than UVA right now. We are getting the best recruits in FCS and a few FBS players each year who 'want something' not found in their current situation. So, they can move to FCS and play immediately and hope for that Pro chance. It is perfect right now. The idea we are going to move to FBS in CUSA or AAC and have a great experience is hard for me to believe. It needs to be ACC or a new conference from Mid-Atlantic and inland states (VA, NC, TN, KY, SC, WV, DE, PA). Travel is reasonable, rivalries will develop quickly, and 'butts in seats" on Saturday bring in needed cash. So, FBS is not about a NC or big bowl games, it is about a GREAT conference and we don't have one right now.

HCMH GOAT

Houston is a good, smart interviewee. He knows what to say and how to say it. He speaks as we sometimes wish the administration would speak.

That being said, I put no stock in the "move up" comments.

I stand by my earlier comment--ESPN Gameday (x2), great football run x 2, new basketball arena underway, AND both temporary and permanent indoor practice facilities in the works.......IF we were going to make an announcement, we have the perfect confluence of events right now to effectively woo someone other than the Sun Belt.

(12-29-2017 09:01 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 08:56 AM)jmudukes Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 11:10 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 06:36 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 06:06 PM)waterwagen79 Wrote:  FBS related question:

"Q: Would it be worth it for James Madison to make the jump to the F.B.S.?

A: It’s something that has been debated a good bit. J.M.U.’s resources are on par with a lot of F.B.S. midmajors. It wouldn’t be a drastic overhaul. But you weigh that against the experiences we’ve had winning a national championship and playing for another one. If we transition, it certainly wouldn’t be in the near future. There’s a lot to be said for winning. Who knows if you’d ever have a chance to do that at the next level?"

Hrm. You could read that a couple ways. When I read it the first time, I thought he was saying that if we transition, we wouldn't be having this level of success/winning in the near future. Re-reading it, I'm not sure what he means.

'it' means experience. If we transition, the experience would not be the same. I agree.

it means its impossible to play for the national championship in the FBS from a G5 conference.

FIFY

I just read the full article. I think I'm wrong. He said that if we transition, it would not be in the near future. How do you define 'near future'. Not sure, 3 to 5 years? Not sure the exact time is relevant. Just run an excellent program defined by winning with good sportsmanship and character on and off the field. For me, this is about the young men who play and the growth of those men and the school that I favor a great deal. GO DUKES!!!

(12-29-2017 01:19 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 06:06 PM)waterwagen79 Wrote:  FBS related question:

"Q: Would it be worth it for James Madison to make the jump to the F.B.S.?

A: It’s something that has been debated a good bit. J.M.U.’s resources are on par with a lot of F.B.S. midmajors. It wouldn’t be a drastic overhaul. But you weigh that against the experiences we’ve had winning a national championship and playing for another one. If we transition, it certainly wouldn’t be in the near future. There’s a lot to be said for winning. Who knows if you’d ever have a chance to do that at the next level?"

I have to say, experiencing the past couple years felt much better when I felt it was kick-starting a stalled progression towards a future with a very high ceiling. Now I feel like we’ve reached that ceiling. It seems no one at JMU thinks we can compete at the next level. Am I the only one who thinks JMU has so much more potential than spending twice the budget just to be NDSU 2.0 for however long we can maintain it?

Hearing “wouldn’t be in the near future” from Coach Houston is worse to me than anything Bourne or Alger could say. The hot chick I’ve lusted after just told me “let’s just be friends” on our first date.

I think Houston himself explains the exact scenario we're in - except he's talking about himself.

He didn't make the move to FBS right now despite more $$$ because he didn't feel it was the right fit and he's happy where he is.

I'm okay with that position (especially since it means he'll stay) for him and I'm also okay with that position for our admin. If you're not, I get the frustration. But you can't deny it's a position of strength that makes sense and leaves the door open for better, future possibilities.

(12-29-2017 09:41 AM)brizzock Wrote:  Houston is a good, smart interviewee. He knows what to say and how to say it. He speaks as we sometimes wish the administration would speak.

That being said, I put no stock in the "move up" comments.

I stand by my earlier comment--ESPN Gameday (x2), great football run x 2, new basketball arena underway, AND both temporary and permanent indoor practice facilities in the works.......IF we were going to make an announcement, we have the perfect confluence of events right now to effectively woo someone other than the Sun Belt.

Yeah, the MAC and I am not excited about traveling to Ohio, Michigan and Illinois in the winter time. That is the most likely move. It helps recruiting also. Kids from those areas who don't get a P5 offer, might consider JMU over the other MAC schools.

(12-29-2017 10:03 AM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 09:41 AM)brizzock Wrote:  Houston is a good, smart interviewee. He knows what to say and how to say it. He speaks as we sometimes wish the administration would speak.

That being said, I put no stock in the "move up" comments.

I stand by my earlier comment--ESPN Gameday (x2), great football run x 2, new basketball arena underway, AND both temporary and permanent indoor practice facilities in the works.......IF we were going to make an announcement, we have the perfect confluence of events right now to effectively woo someone other than the Sun Belt.

Yeah, the MAC and I am not excited about traveling to Ohio, Michigan and Illinois in the winter time. That is the most likely move. It helps recruiting also. Kids from those areas who don't get a P5 offer, might consider JMU over the other MAC schools.

Currently we're taking kids from Tidewater, GA and FLA who don't have a P5 offer. Are you saying there's a secret Midwestern recruiting market that we're dying to get into?

it's impossible now [NC as a G5]...nobody argues that... but that little 4 team playoff is bound to extend to 16 over the next 5-7 years, and then what? you better believe that I think JMU could get into that tournament - don't we want to set ourselves up for that possibility?

(12-29-2017 10:05 AM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 10:03 AM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 09:41 AM)brizzock Wrote:  Houston is a good, smart interviewee. He knows what to say and how to say it. He speaks as we sometimes wish the administration would speak.

That being said, I put no stock in the "move up" comments.

I stand by my earlier comment--ESPN Gameday (x2), great football run x 2, new basketball arena underway, AND both temporary and permanent indoor practice facilities in the works.......IF we were going to make an announcement, we have the perfect confluence of events right now to effectively woo someone other than the Sun Belt.

Yeah, the MAC and I am not excited about traveling to Ohio, Michigan and Illinois in the winter time. That is the most likely move. It helps recruiting also. Kids from those areas who don't get a P5 offer, might consider JMU over the other MAC schools.

Currently we're taking kids from Tidewater, GA and FLA who don't have a P5 offer. Are you saying there's a secret Midwestern recruiting market that we're dying to get into?

Secret? No.

I think the thing that struck me in his first press conference was when he said he got into coaching after he didn't get into medical school. How many football coaches at any level do you know that tried to become a doctor? This is a VERY intelligent guy. He speaks thoughtfully, but without a bunch of fluff.

I still couldn't be more excited about the extension. GOAT is right. I don't know if there's anything I don't love about the guy. There is no coach in the country I'd rather have and no better ambassador for the university than Mike Houston.

I'm travelling to frisco texas in the "near future"

(12-29-2017 01:19 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 06:06 PM)waterwagen79 Wrote:  FBS related question:

"Q: Would it be worth it for James Madison to make the jump to the F.B.S.?

A: It’s something that has been debated a good bit. J.M.U.’s resources are on par with a lot of F.B.S. midmajors. It wouldn’t be a drastic overhaul. But you weigh that against the experiences we’ve had winning a national championship and playing for another one. If we transition, it certainly wouldn’t be in the near future. There’s a lot to be said for winning. Who knows if you’d ever have a chance to do that at the next level?"

I have to say, experiencing the past couple years felt much better when I felt it was kick-starting a stalled progression towards a future with a very high ceiling. Now I feel like we’ve reached that ceiling. It seems no one at JMU thinks we can compete at the next level. Am I the only one who thinks JMU has so much more potential than spending twice the budget just to be NDSU 2.0 for however long we can maintain it?

Hearing “wouldn’t be in the near future” from Coach Houston is worse to me than anything Bourne or Alger could say. The hot chick I’ve lusted after just told me “let’s just be friends” on our first date.

I admire your ambition Buck and I would say to you it is very Ron Carrier like.

The college athletics world has changed a lot. It is almost impossible for a school to rise up. Look at Boise St. So close to cracking the power conference line up several years ago with a Big East invite. The power brokers decided to mix things up and expand their conferences and boom! Big East football is gone. ODU joined CUSA with ECU, Houston etc. and boom! They all leave for the AAC.

There are programs with a 100 year head start on JMU. It’s admirable to want to catch up with them but big money ultimately always wins no matter how much we all hate that reality.

JMU is trying to find its niche. Right now they see being the NDSU of the east as the current opportunity. More change will come and JMU will have to find its next opportunity. Nothing lasts forever so let’s enjoy what we have and realize their is a ceiling to what we should reasonably expect.

(12-29-2017 09:51 AM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  I think Houston himself explains the exact scenario we're in - except he's talking about himself.

He didn't make the move to FBS right now despite more $$$ because he didn't feel it was the right fit and he's happy where he is.

I'm okay with that position (especially since it means he'll stay) for him and I'm also okay with that position for our admin. If you're not, I get the frustration. But you can't deny it's a position of strength that makes sense and leaves the door open for better, future possibilities.

I thought it was interesting that he answered that question; basically telling the world that he turned down a 2x offer to stay here. That's not something you'd generally hear a coach say out loud. I'm not sure what to make of it, to be honest.

(12-29-2017 10:56 AM)91Alum Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 09:51 AM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  I think Houston himself explains the exact scenario we're in - except he's talking about himself.

He didn't make the move to FBS right now despite more $$$ because he didn't feel it was the right fit and he's happy where he is.

I'm okay with that position (especially since it means he'll stay) for him and I'm also okay with that position for our admin. If you're not, I get the frustration. But you can't deny it's a position of strength that makes sense and leaves the door open for better, future possibilities.

I thought it was interesting that he answered that question; basically telling the world that he turned down a 2x offer to stay here. That's not something you'd generally hear a coach say out loud. I'm not sure what to make of it, to be honest.

It says what we all here already know. We are 2x more awesome than most, and money can’t always buy awesome. He gets it.
Example ru costs twice as much as Jmu and is half as awesome.

Great example.

The “I’d jump at any job for a 50% pay bump but I’m getting laid off two years later” crowd is really struggling to understand MH’s logic.

(12-29-2017 10:44 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  I admire your ambition Buck and I would say to you it is very Ron Carrier like.

Yeah, I guess that’s what I’m looking for. In the past it was “we’ll move for the right opportunity” but now it seems like “we no longer think there’s a better option than FCS championships because we’re not sure we can win at the next level”.

I’ve resigned myself to the fact this admin is in no rush, but l guess that makes me even more hopeful for signs of “this is temporary” vs “we’re not confident”.

(12-29-2017 01:01 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Great example.

+1 gazillion

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(12-29-2017 01:05 PM)Potomac Wrote:  The “I’d jump at any job for a 50% pay bump but I’m getting laid off two years later” crowd is really struggling to understand MH’s logic.

We get it, Mr. Altruist. You'd turn down a job that paid you twice as much ("close to double" would indicate a ~100% pay bump, by the way), with a five year guarantee (you forgot that part too). He obviously turned it down for a reason, but my point was that you don't normally hear a coach talk money like that out loud and in the press - especially as it relates to a job he didn't take. I was just wondering if it was an innocuous statement or a marker being laid down for future suitors - whether this year or next or the year(s) after that. That's all.

Once you wade through the snark, your statement is actually pretty interesting. Why do you assume he'd get fired in two years? Successful people like HCMH don't typically view themselves as failures-in-waiting. Is that how you view yourself?