What REAL Hope and Change looks like....

Quote:According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics( BLS), the unemployment rate for black Americans is the lowest it has been since the year 2000, 17 years ago.

In November, the national unemployment rate for black Americans, ages 16 and over, was 7.3%.

The last time it was 7.3% was in the year 2000, during the months September, October and November.

During the Bush and Obama years (2001 -2016), the black unemployment rate fluctuated between 7.7% and a high of 16.8%.

Keep reading here.....

kinda coincides with that WIC stat, eh?

stats that work in tandem.....

that's called real progress due to creating incentive to get up off one's arse....

To be fair....This rate steadily dropped during Obama's two terms. Im going to guess it was simply adding low skill and low pay jobs to the economy?

But they're only getting low paying part time jobs.

But they just gave up looking for jobs.

But that's not the REAL unemployment rate.

That number is fake.

Did I miss any of the excuses for reports like this during the last administration?

(12-27-2017 10:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But they're only getting low paying part time jobs.

But they just gave up looking for jobs.

But that's not the REAL unemployment rate.

That number is fake.

Did I miss any of the excuses for reports like this during the last administration?

No but you missed all the times you would ignore those claims. With, you know, data that you would brush aside.

Now a full picture of this news:

I think the big gripe we all had was that the workforce participation rate dropped, and then was stagnant, under Obama. That's the measure of how many people "give up" and is a part of calculating the real employment rate.

Under President Obama, labor participation hit lows last seen in the late 1970s. Under one year of Tump the rate is over 63% for the first time since 2013.

the U-6 unemployment rate, which counts people as unemployed for a year after they give up their job search, rather than just 30 days, and discounts the importance of part time jobs by counting people as unemployed who are working part time because they are unable to find full time jobs

That rate has dropped more than a percentage point since Trump was inaugurated and, this is the big one... It's now lower than it *EVER* was under Obama.

Finally since January, the number of people working full time has increased by two million while the number working part time increased by only 245,000.

So tom, what talking points or snide remarks do you have to counter this?

Trump is creating manufacturing jobs with benefits.

Obama created Halloween Express jobs.

(12-27-2017 10:14 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 10:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But they're only getting low paying part time jobs.

But they just gave up looking for jobs.

But that's not the REAL unemployment rate.

That number is fake.

Did I miss any of the excuses for reports like this during the last administration?

No but you missed all the times you would ignore those claims. With, you know, data that you would brush aside.

Cite a few of those please. I'll wait.

(12-27-2017 10:18 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Trump is creating manufacturing jobs with benefits.

Source?

And be specific on what exactly trump did to create that job. Thanks.

(12-27-2017 10:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 10:14 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 10:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But they're only getting low paying part time jobs.

But they just gave up looking for jobs.

But that's not the REAL unemployment rate.

That number is fake.

Did I miss any of the excuses for reports like this during the last administration?

No but you missed all the times you would ignore those claims. With, you know, data that you would brush aside.

Cite a few of those please. I'll wait.

http://www.csnbbs.com/thread-546417-page-7.html

Quote:9erFan What has Obama done to cause this drop in unemployment Tom. Please be specific.

And while you're at it, please explain how it's a good thing that the unemployment rate drops mainly because 350k people give up looking so they're not counted. Only in Obamaland is that a good thing.

Quote:Tom Well, he cut taxes in the stimulus package and resigned the Bush era tax cuts. We all know that directly relates to increased jobs.

That's right you (1) Credited a tax cut and (2) Completely ignored the Labor Force participation part of the question.

Be careful asking for examples of you doing stupid stuff tom, it's not hard to find.

(12-27-2017 10:18 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Trump is creating manufacturing jobs with benefits.

Obama created Halloween Express jobs.

Manufacturing is coming back to the states. But I don't know exactly how many jobs it will create. It's mostly automated. Which seems to be the future of everything anymore.

(12-27-2017 11:22 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 10:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 10:14 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 10:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But they're only getting low paying part time jobs.

But they just gave up looking for jobs.

But that's not the REAL unemployment rate.

That number is fake.

Did I miss any of the excuses for reports like this during the last administration?

No but you missed all the times you would ignore those claims. With, you know, data that you would brush aside.

Cite a few of those please. I'll wait.

http://www.csnbbs.com/thread-546417-page-7.html

Quote:9erFan What has Obama done to cause this drop in unemployment Tom. Please be specific.

And while you're at it, please explain how it's a good thing that the unemployment rate drops mainly because 350k people give up looking so they're not counted. Only in Obamaland is that a good thing.

Quote:Tom Well, he cut taxes in the stimulus package and resigned the Bush era tax cuts. We all know that directly relates to increased jobs.

That's right you (1) Credited a tax cut and (2) Completely ignored the Labor Force participation part of the question.

Be careful asking for examples of you doing stupid stuff tom, it's not hard to find.

Your example is ridiculous. First, it's from 2012 And you left off my . My comment was kidding the R's for always claiming that tax cuts increased jobs.

Try again.

But you're right...you got me. I didn't comment specifically on one unsourced claim about 350k people leaving the job search. Of course that in no way proves that a) I ignored it, or b) don't realize that people leaving the job search effect the rate.

(12-27-2017 12:22 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 10:18 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Trump is creating manufacturing jobs with benefits.

Obama created Halloween Express jobs.

Manufacturing is coming back to the states.

Source?

(12-27-2017 12:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 12:22 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 10:18 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Trump is creating manufacturing jobs with benefits.

Obama created Halloween Express jobs.

Manufacturing is coming back to the states.

Source?

uh, the past ten months? Or have you had your head up your ass?

(12-27-2017 12:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But you're right...you got me.

Quote:I didn't comment specifically on one unsourced claim about 350k people leaving the job search.

And that ladies and gentlemen is the sound fg goalposts being moved.

Quote:Of course that in no way proves that a) I ignored it,

Yes, Tom, yes it is. You were asked a question and decided to dodge it by ignoring it... apparently because it was "unsourced"..

Now if we go back a few posts..

I said: No but you missed all the times you would ignore those claims.
You said: prove it
I provided proof
You moved goalpost

(12-27-2017 12:22 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 10:18 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Trump is creating manufacturing jobs with benefits.

Obama created Halloween Express jobs.

Manufacturing is coming back to the states. But I don't know exactly how many jobs it will create. It's mostly automated. Which seems to be the future of everything anymore.

No doubt the employment per square foot will be less than before, but 10 new blue collar jobs is better than 0 new blue collar jobs, especially since manufacturing operations tend to have a greater multiplying effect for jobs than service industries.

(12-27-2017 12:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 12:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 12:22 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 10:18 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Trump is creating manufacturing jobs with benefits.

Obama created Halloween Express jobs.

Manufacturing is coming back to the states.

Source?

uh, the past ten months? Or have you had your head up your ass?

He wants someone else to use the Google for him.

(12-27-2017 12:53 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 12:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But you're right...you got me.

Quote:I didn't comment specifically on one unsourced claim about 350k people leaving the job search.

And that ladies and gentlemen is the sound fg goalposts being moved.

Quote:Of course that in no way proves that a) I ignored it,

Yes, Tom, yes it is. You were asked a question and decided to dodge it by ignoring it... apparently because it was "unsourced"..

Now if we go back a few posts..

I said: No but you missed all the times you would ignore those claims.
You said: prove it
I provided proof
You moved goalpost

You're being completely ridiculous. Besides, even if I give you this one time, that's not what you said...you said "all the times." Not "that one time 5 years ago". Regardless, just because I didn't respond to one question again does in no way proves that I ignored it or that I don't understand that people not looking for work has a bearing on the rate.

(12-27-2017 01:49 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 12:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 12:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 12:22 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 10:18 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Trump is creating manufacturing jobs with benefits.

Obama created Halloween Express jobs.

Manufacturing is coming back to the states.

Source?

uh, the past ten months? Or have you had your head up your ass?

He wants someone else to use the Google for him.

No, I expect claims to be supported, just like you do of me. Don't be a dick. You know damned well that a claim needs to be supported by your own evidence so if it's from some made up source that we can properly investigate. I don't expect anyone to go trapsing through google in hopes of finding an article to support a claim made by someone else, and neither should anyone else here.

And you guys have had a few hours now and I don't see any evidence...in the time you spent deflecting and obfuscating you could have easily supplied the evidence...if it exists.

And I'll gladly give trump all the credit in the world for any manufacturing jobs he's personally brought back to "the states" (actually we need a definition of that anyway) through policy, as soon as it's provided.

So, show it or shove it. :)

(12-27-2017 03:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 01:49 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 12:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 12:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 12:22 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Manufacturing is coming back to the states.

Source?

uh, the past ten months? Or have you had your head up your ass?

He wants someone else to use the Google for him.

No, I expect claims to be supported, just like you do of me. Don't be a dick. You know damned well that a claim needs to be supported by your own evidence so if it's from some made up source that we can properly investigate. I don't expect anyone to go trapsing through google in hopes of finding an article to support a claim made by someone else, and neither should anyone else here.

And you guys have had a few hours now and I don't see any evidence...in the time you spent deflecting and obfuscating you could have easily supplied the evidence...if it exists.

And I'll gladly give trump all the credit in the world for any manufacturing jobs he's personally brought back to "the states" (actually we need a definition of that anyway) through policy, as soon as it's provided.

So, show it or shove it. :)

FFS man, no need for the diatribe, just google. This is not rocket science.

(12-27-2017 03:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 01:49 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 12:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 12:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 12:22 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Manufacturing is coming back to the states.

Source?

uh, the past ten months? Or have you had your head up your ass?

He wants someone else to use the Google for him.

No, I expect claims to be supported, just like you do of me. Don't be a dick. You know damned well that a claim needs to be supported by your own evidence so if it's from some made up source that we can properly investigate. I don't expect anyone to go trapsing through google in hopes of finding an article to support a claim made by someone else, and neither should anyone else here.

And you guys have had a few hours now and I don't see any evidence...in the time you spent deflecting and obfuscating you could have easily supplied the evidence...if it exists.

And I'll gladly give trump all the credit in the world for any manufacturing jobs he's personally brought back to "the states" (actually we need a definition of that anyway) through policy, as soon as it's provided.

So, show it or shove it. :)

Thats like asking for a source that we landed on the moon. Noone needs to do work for you that is well-known and easily retrieved. You've been present on this forum in discussions where we have seen the reports of manufacturing jobs coming back to the US ever since Trump was elected. Stop acting like you are having perpetual brain-farts on the topic. We dont need to hold your hand on this.