(12-31-2017 11:15 PM)TTT Wrote:  USM has always (will always) do more with less better than anyone in the country. I can't even imagine the possibilities for us if our athletic budget was double what it is. It's currently around 23 million. What is Memphis' and ECU's? I'm guessing in the 40-50 mill range. If we had that much we'd be undefeated every year in football, dancing every year in bball, and baseball would be hosting national seeds every year.

Even if you were going for hyperbole, you overshot it by a fair margin.

(01-01-2018 10:06 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 11:15 PM)TTT Wrote:  USM has always (will always) do more with less better than anyone in the country. I can't even imagine the possibilities for us if our athletic budget was double what it is. It's currently around 23 million. What is Memphis' and ECU's? I'm guessing in the 40-50 mill range. If we had that much we'd be undefeated every year in football, dancing every year in bball, and baseball would be hosting national seeds every year. USM has never been able to grow its fanbase because we are literally surrounded by nearly every SEC school: Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, MSU, and Tennessee. People ask why USM can't grow its fanbase...this is why. It's a cycle...any successful coach/administrator/AD/president will ALWAYS get poached by someone who can pay 2-3 times the amount.

LA Tech does well with less too.

I know some Southern Miss fans moan about being left behind by their former piers, but if the leadership at USM is content to try and survive by doing more with less, then their fans will probably always be moaning about other programs passing them by. As for being surrounded by several SEC programs, that is not a good excuse. Truth is, just about every G5 program has to contend with power conferences in their region. In Texas, we have to contend with 11 other FBS programs, 5 of which are in power conferences. Just within a hundred mile radius we have a Big12 and AAC program to contend with, but North Texas isn't just giving up. I really hope the leadership at Southern Miss figures out a plan to invest more into your athletics. Your fans deserve it.

Ok, a few points you fail to realize:

-Mississippi's population vs Texas' population
-Any decent person in a leadership role at USM gets poached by a school that can afford to pay 2-3 times what we can
-The SEC dominates the small populated Southern states that USM has to fight recruits for. If USM was located in Texas or North Carolina and having to battle with Baylor, Texas Tech, UNC, and NC STATE instead of being in Mississippi having to battle Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State then life would be a LOT easier for USM athletics
-No other P5 conference has the clout and power that the SEC has ESPECIALLY in South.

People try to compare their school's recruiting battles with the B12 and ACC schools as the same as battling the SEC and I just laughed, like seriously you have no idea what it's like battling the SEC in Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama.

(01-01-2018 01:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 11:15 PM)TTT Wrote:  USM has always (will always) do more with less better than anyone in the country. I can't even imagine the possibilities for us if our athletic budget was double what it is. It's currently around 23 million. What is Memphis' and ECU's? I'm guessing in the 40-50 mill range. If we had that much we'd be undefeated every year in football, dancing every year in bball, and baseball would be hosting national seeds every year.

Even if you were going for hyperbole, you overshot it by a fair margin.

Ok, maybe I overshot it with the basketball dancing point but I stand by everything else.

(01-01-2018 02:38 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 01:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 11:15 PM)TTT Wrote:  USM has always (will always) do more with less better than anyone in the country. I can't even imagine the possibilities for us if our athletic budget was double what it is. It's currently around 23 million. What is Memphis' and ECU's? I'm guessing in the 40-50 mill range. If we had that much we'd be undefeated every year in football, dancing every year in bball, and baseball would be hosting national seeds every year.

Even if you were going for hyperbole, you overshot it by a fair margin.

Ok, maybe I overshot it with the basketball dancing point but I stand by everything else.

Undefeated in football every year, from another ~$25M?

Even if you just meant in conference play, that's still just completely hilarious.

That's 25 more millions were could use to go to things like buying players under the table like the SEC does.

(01-01-2018 02:18 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 10:06 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 11:15 PM)TTT Wrote:  USM has always (will always) do more with less better than anyone in the country. I can't even imagine the possibilities for us if our athletic budget was double what it is. It's currently around 23 million. What is Memphis' and ECU's? I'm guessing in the 40-50 mill range. If we had that much we'd be undefeated every year in football, dancing every year in bball, and baseball would be hosting national seeds every year. USM has never been able to grow its fanbase because we are literally surrounded by nearly every SEC school: Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, MSU, and Tennessee. People ask why USM can't grow its fanbase...this is why. It's a cycle...any successful coach/administrator/AD/president will ALWAYS get poached by someone who can pay 2-3 times the amount.

LA Tech does well with less too.

I know some Southern Miss fans moan about being left behind by their former piers, but if the leadership at USM is content to try and survive by doing more with less, then their fans will probably always be moaning about other programs passing them by. As for being surrounded by several SEC programs, that is not a good excuse. Truth is, just about every G5 program has to contend with power conferences in their region. In Texas, we have to contend with 11 other FBS programs, 5 of which are in power conferences. Just within a hundred mile radius we have a Big12 and AAC program to contend with, but North Texas isn't just giving up. I really hope the leadership at Southern Miss figures out a plan to invest more into your athletics. Your fans deserve it.

Ok, a few points you fail to realize:

-Mississippi's population vs Texas' population
-Any decent person in a leadership role at USM gets poached by a school that can afford to pay 2-3 times what we can
-The SEC dominates the small populated Southern states that USM has to fight recruits for. If USM was located in Texas or North Carolina and having to battle with Baylor, Texas Tech, UNC, and NC STATE instead of being in Mississippi having to battle Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State then life would be a LOT easier for USM athletics
-No other P5 conference has the clout and power that the SEC has ESPECIALLY in South.

People try to compare their school's recruiting battles with the B12 and ACC schools as the same as battling the SEC and I just laughed, like seriously you have no idea what it's like battling the SEC in Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama.

You really don't see the big picture. Every major program in America cherry picks the best recruits from Texas. Just ask a fan of any G5 located in Texas. USM might have to contend with the bulk of the SEC for best recruits in Mississippi, but in Texas we have to fight with the BIG12, SEC, BIG10, ACC, PAC, plus Notre Dame, along with the numerous other G5's located in Texas. Truth is with what Southern Miss is willing to spend on athletics they would be killed if they were in Texas. Every G5 program has issues to overcome.

(01-01-2018 03:19 PM)TTT Wrote:  That's 25 more millions were could use to go to things like buying players under the table like the SEC does.

If it were possible to spend your way to undefeated every year, whether within the rules or not, someone would have done it by now.

(01-01-2018 03:38 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 02:18 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 10:06 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 11:15 PM)TTT Wrote:  USM has always (will always) do more with less better than anyone in the country. I can't even imagine the possibilities for us if our athletic budget was double what it is. It's currently around 23 million. What is Memphis' and ECU's? I'm guessing in the 40-50 mill range. If we had that much we'd be undefeated every year in football, dancing every year in bball, and baseball would be hosting national seeds every year. USM has never been able to grow its fanbase because we are literally surrounded by nearly every SEC school: Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, MSU, and Tennessee. People ask why USM can't grow its fanbase...this is why. It's a cycle...any successful coach/administrator/AD/president will ALWAYS get poached by someone who can pay 2-3 times the amount.

LA Tech does well with less too.

I know some Southern Miss fans moan about being left behind by their former piers, but if the leadership at USM is content to try and survive by doing more with less, then their fans will probably always be moaning about other programs passing them by. As for being surrounded by several SEC programs, that is not a good excuse. Truth is, just about every G5 program has to contend with power conferences in their region. In Texas, we have to contend with 11 other FBS programs, 5 of which are in power conferences. Just within a hundred mile radius we have a Big12 and AAC program to contend with, but North Texas isn't just giving up. I really hope the leadership at Southern Miss figures out a plan to invest more into your athletics. Your fans deserve it.

Ok, a few points you fail to realize:

-Mississippi's population vs Texas' population
-Any decent person in a leadership role at USM gets poached by a school that can afford to pay 2-3 times what we can
-The SEC dominates the small populated Southern states that USM has to fight recruits for. If USM was located in Texas or North Carolina and having to battle with Baylor, Texas Tech, UNC, and NC STATE instead of being in Mississippi having to battle Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State then life would be a LOT easier for USM athletics
-No other P5 conference has the clout and power that the SEC has ESPECIALLY in South.

People try to compare their school's recruiting battles with the B12 and ACC schools as the same as battling the SEC and I just laughed, like seriously you have no idea what it's like battling the SEC in Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama.

You really don't see the big picture. Every major program in America cherry picks the best recruits from Texas. Just ask a fan of any G5 located in Texas. USM might have to contend with the bulk of the SEC for best recruits in Mississippi, but in Texas we have to fight with the BIG12, SEC, BIG10, ACC, PAC, plus Notre Dame, along with the numerous other G5's located in Texas. Truth is with what Southern Miss is willing to spend on athletics they would be killed if they were in Texas. Every G5 program has issues to overcome.

And every school in the nation recruits Mississippi too. Can't tell you how many kids that don't sign with Ala, Aub, Tenn, OM, MSU, LSU, go on and sign with WVU, Louisville, Texas Tech, Oregon, ASU...

Texas has 30 million people...

Mississippi has like 2.5 million people...

C'mon...

(01-01-2018 04:19 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 03:38 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 02:18 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 10:06 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 11:15 PM)TTT Wrote:  USM has always (will always) do more with less better than anyone in the country. I can't even imagine the possibilities for us if our athletic budget was double what it is. It's currently around 23 million. What is Memphis' and ECU's? I'm guessing in the 40-50 mill range. If we had that much we'd be undefeated every year in football, dancing every year in bball, and baseball would be hosting national seeds every year. USM has never been able to grow its fanbase because we are literally surrounded by nearly every SEC school: Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, MSU, and Tennessee. People ask why USM can't grow its fanbase...this is why. It's a cycle...any successful coach/administrator/AD/president will ALWAYS get poached by someone who can pay 2-3 times the amount.

LA Tech does well with less too.

I know some Southern Miss fans moan about being left behind by their former piers, but if the leadership at USM is content to try and survive by doing more with less, then their fans will probably always be moaning about other programs passing them by. As for being surrounded by several SEC programs, that is not a good excuse. Truth is, just about every G5 program has to contend with power conferences in their region. In Texas, we have to contend with 11 other FBS programs, 5 of which are in power conferences. Just within a hundred mile radius we have a Big12 and AAC program to contend with, but North Texas isn't just giving up. I really hope the leadership at Southern Miss figures out a plan to invest more into your athletics. Your fans deserve it.

Ok, a few points you fail to realize:

-Mississippi's population vs Texas' population
-Any decent person in a leadership role at USM gets poached by a school that can afford to pay 2-3 times what we can
-The SEC dominates the small populated Southern states that USM has to fight recruits for. If USM was located in Texas or North Carolina and having to battle with Baylor, Texas Tech, UNC, and NC STATE instead of being in Mississippi having to battle Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State then life would be a LOT easier for USM athletics
-No other P5 conference has the clout and power that the SEC has ESPECIALLY in South.

People try to compare their school's recruiting battles with the B12 and ACC schools as the same as battling the SEC and I just laughed, like seriously you have no idea what it's like battling the SEC in Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama.

You really don't see the big picture. Every major program in America cherry picks the best recruits from Texas. Just ask a fan of any G5 located in Texas. USM might have to contend with the bulk of the SEC for best recruits in Mississippi, but in Texas we have to fight with the BIG12, SEC, BIG10, ACC, PAC, plus Notre Dame, along with the numerous other G5's located in Texas. Truth is with what Southern Miss is willing to spend on athletics they would be killed if they were in Texas. Every G5 program has issues to overcome.

And every school in the nation recruits Mississippi too. Can't tell you how many kids that don't sign with Ala, Aub, Tenn, OM, MSU, LSU, go on and sign with WVU, Louisville, Texas Tech, Oregon, ASU...

Texas has 30 million people...

Mississippi has like 2.5 million people...

C'mon...

And Texas has what? A dozen FBS programs to Mississippi's three?

Every state has recruiting pilferers, regardless of how good of a talent producer that state is.

Far too many variables to say one side has it better in this regard.

(01-01-2018 04:19 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 03:38 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 02:18 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 10:06 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 11:15 PM)TTT Wrote:  USM has always (will always) do more with less better than anyone in the country. I can't even imagine the possibilities for us if our athletic budget was double what it is. It's currently around 23 million. What is Memphis' and ECU's? I'm guessing in the 40-50 mill range. If we had that much we'd be undefeated every year in football, dancing every year in bball, and baseball would be hosting national seeds every year. USM has never been able to grow its fanbase because we are literally surrounded by nearly every SEC school: Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, MSU, and Tennessee. People ask why USM can't grow its fanbase...this is why. It's a cycle...any successful coach/administrator/AD/president will ALWAYS get poached by someone who can pay 2-3 times the amount.

LA Tech does well with less too.

I know some Southern Miss fans moan about being left behind by their former piers, but if the leadership at USM is content to try and survive by doing more with less, then their fans will probably always be moaning about other programs passing them by. As for being surrounded by several SEC programs, that is not a good excuse. Truth is, just about every G5 program has to contend with power conferences in their region. In Texas, we have to contend with 11 other FBS programs, 5 of which are in power conferences. Just within a hundred mile radius we have a Big12 and AAC program to contend with, but North Texas isn't just giving up. I really hope the leadership at Southern Miss figures out a plan to invest more into your athletics. Your fans deserve it.

Ok, a few points you fail to realize:

-Mississippi's population vs Texas' population
-Any decent person in a leadership role at USM gets poached by a school that can afford to pay 2-3 times what we can
-The SEC dominates the small populated Southern states that USM has to fight recruits for. If USM was located in Texas or North Carolina and having to battle with Baylor, Texas Tech, UNC, and NC STATE instead of being in Mississippi having to battle Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State then life would be a LOT easier for USM athletics
-No other P5 conference has the clout and power that the SEC has ESPECIALLY in South.

People try to compare their school's recruiting battles with the B12 and ACC schools as the same as battling the SEC and I just laughed, like seriously you have no idea what it's like battling the SEC in Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama.

You really don't see the big picture. Every major program in America cherry picks the best recruits from Texas. Just ask a fan of any G5 located in Texas. USM might have to contend with the bulk of the SEC for best recruits in Mississippi, but in Texas we have to fight with the BIG12, SEC, BIG10, ACC, PAC, plus Notre Dame, along with the numerous other G5's located in Texas. Truth is with what Southern Miss is willing to spend on athletics they would be killed if they were in Texas. Every G5 program has issues to overcome.

And every school in the nation recruits Mississippi too. Can't tell you how many kids that don't sign with Ala, Aub, Tenn, OM, MSU, LSU, go on and sign with WVU, Louisville, Texas Tech, Oregon, ASU...

Texas has 30 million people...

Mississippi has like 2.5 million people...

C'mon...

Be honest, you know the power conferences don't recruit Mississippi like they do Texas. They don't recruit any other state like they do Texas.

Texas is the top state in America for college football talent. Mississippi came in ranked 11th. Believe me, the Texas G5 programs have to nationally recruit our local talent, because every power conference is flying in trying to lure our athletes out of state. USM is not in as tough of a recruiting situation as the Texas G5's. Here is a link to the 2017 rankings.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26963...in-america

(01-01-2018 04:55 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Be honest, you know the power conferences don't recruit Mississippi like they do Texas. They don't recruit any other state like they do Texas.

Florida, California and Georgia...

(01-01-2018 05:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 04:55 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Be honest, you know the power conferences don't recruit Mississippi like they do Texas. They don't recruit any other state like they do Texas.

Florida, California and Georgia...

You are proving my point. Florida was 2nd, California 3rd, and Georgia 4th. According to the article Texas has a sizable advantage in 4 Star talent over Florida and California.

(01-01-2018 05:38 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 05:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 04:55 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Be honest, you know the power conferences don't recruit Mississippi like they do Texas. They don't recruit any other state like they do Texas.

Florida, California and Georgia...

You are proving my point. Florida was 2nd, California 3rd, and Georgia 4th. According to the article Texas has a sizable advantage in 4 Star talent over Florida and California.

I'm aware they are 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, but it's not a matter of Texas existing on some other plane that is incomparable to any other state.

I'd submit that if anything Texas, Florida and California are all the tier above any other state that you are only putting Texas in.

Georgia, especially in the recent years has perhaps joined them, but being the smallest in population by a factor of 2-4x perhaps keeps my home state off that top tier.

(12-26-2017 01:59 PM)Tulanefan32 Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 01:44 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  WOW--SOUTHERN MISS really needs to up their asst. salaries.

With what money?

Sorry greenie, we spent all our money whupping' your azzes so bad you punted on 3rd down!

I don't think you can draw a conclusion from only one year of recruiting.

SB Nation has a good article ranking all 50 states and D.C. by blue-chip recruits (4* & 5* high school recruits) from 2013-2017: https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...california

While Texas has produced more blue-chip recruits the past two years, Florida had done so the two years prior.

And here's the SB Nation article for 2018: https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...e-rankings

For 2018, Florida is significantly ahead of both California, who is now ranked second, and Texas, who has dropped to third.

And between 2013-2018, Florida has had the most blue-chip recruits, Texas is second, California is third, and Georgia is fourth.

And according to this article, at least at the time of publication, the ranking in NFL players by state of birth is: Florida(193), California(187), Texas(160), Georgia(97).

That would put Florida and Georgia in a virtual tie for per capita NFL players considering Florida's population is roughly double Georgia's, with Texas third and California fourth.

I know at one time Mississippi had the most pro players drafted PER CAPITA, although I'm sure some of the nerdies on here who prowl the internets instead of bars can prove or disprove it.

It's tougher than ever to recruit against the SEC, Big 12 or whomever...but some guys gotta understand the whole state of Florida has ONE SEC program (which gave rise to alternative programs such as FSU and Miami)...the whole states of Louisiana, Arkansas, Georgia, KY, South Carolina (and yes, Texas!) only have ONE SEC program, while a small and poor state like Mississippi HAS TWO SEC TEAT SLURPERS that literally suck the life outta the whole state! (and get their coffers replenished every year, whether they go 14-0 or 0-12!)

Hayell...Marshall has it tough enough battling West Virginia, just think if it was 2 SEC teams they were fightin' against? The city of Louisville, KY, has, I believe, 5 Fortune 500 companies----USM has Ward's, the Co-Cola plant where they don't make coke anymore, and Okatoma Canoe Rentals! Need I "say" more?

Again, we all have our own peculiar demons that damage our football brand, or we wouldn't be in SUNWACUSA....but some of us are particularly screwed as SH!T!

Here's another article by SB Nation that provides some great visuals: https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...s-rankings

And to eaglebeaver, at least in regard to the above article about blue-chip recruits, Mississippi is ranked fourth per capita.

(01-01-2018 07:07 PM)thefaU Wrote:  And to eaglebeaver, at least in regard to the above article about blue-chip recruits, Mississippi is ranked fourth per capita.

Thank you kemo sabe!

(01-01-2018 06:13 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 05:38 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 05:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 04:55 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Be honest, you know the power conferences don't recruit Mississippi like they do Texas. They don't recruit any other state like they do Texas.

Florida, California and Georgia...

You are proving my point. Florida was 2nd, California 3rd, and Georgia 4th. According to the article Texas has a sizable advantage in 4 Star talent over Florida and California.

I'm aware they are 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, but it's not a matter of Texas existing on some other plane that is incomparable to any other state.

I'd submit that if anything Texas, Florida and California are all the tier above any other state that you are only putting Texas in.

Georgia, especially in the recent years has perhaps joined them, but being the smallest in population by a factor of 2-4x perhaps keeps my home state off that top tier.

Never said we did, just that Southern Miss doesn't have it rougher because because they have to contend with the SEC in recruiting.

But if we are looking at comparing the difficulty of recruiting in Texas, Florida, and California, then you also need to look at the number of FBS programs in each state. Both California and Florida have 7 FBS programs in their states, while Texas has 12 FBS programs. So it is still a more difficult situation. If your team isn't down here seeing it first hand it is really hard to grasp.