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I45 is right; Apple has never dominated the personal computer market. Hell, Commodore was closer to domination than Apple ever was...

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To the OP: Is it really that big of a deal if, say, Facebook is a monopoly? I don't think I worry too much about one social networking platform dominating all others. The barrier to entry for digital entities is near zero. MySpace was pretty dominant at one point.

I'm a bit uncomfortable when a more substantial business like Google starts crowding out my choices but I'm even more uncomfortable with government intervention to reign them in.
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01-03-2018 06:15 PM
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(01-03-2018 06:15 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I45 is right; Apple has never dominated the personal computer market. Hell, Commodore was closer to domination than Apple ever was...

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ETA: I think my smart aleck remark may be a violation of this board's AUP. Apologies!

To the OP: Is it really that big of a deal if, say, Facebook is a monopoly? I don't think I worry too much about one social networking platform dominating all others. The barrier to entry for digital entities is near zero. MySpace was pretty dominant at one point.

I'm a bit uncomfortable when a more substantial business like Google starts crowding out my choices but I'm even more uncomfortable with government intervention to reign them in.

The monopoly aspect only matters if the monopoly power is used in an anti-competitive manner. No harm to consumer, no foul.

What many on the right are calling for is adding another branch to the 'monopoly analysis' that is roughly equivalent to the basis of the equal time doctrine or the fairness doctrine.

In my opinion you really cannot nail down *who* the relevant 'test group' is for that analysis, where you *can* easily nail down who the competitors are and who the consumers are in a traditional antitrust analysis.

And on top of it, you have big government intervention into what is essentially core First Amendment activities.
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(01-03-2018 08:56 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The monopoly aspect only matters if the monopoly power is used in an anti-competitive manner. No harm to consumer, no foul.

It only matters legally; lack of choice creates high risk of consumer harm (admittedly harm can have a pretty broad definition here). I think the Net Neutrality argument wouldn't be nearly as complicated (and might not even exist) if most consumers had more choices for local ISPs.

And to reinforce my earlier point: I don't want the government to act on this. I simply don't want the government to have the kind of power to regulate business in that way. If anything, I'd much rather government help to lower barriers to entry to create more competition.
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(01-03-2018 11:19 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  And to reinforce my earlier point: I don't want the government to act on this. I simply don't want the government to have the kind of power to regulate business in that way. If anything, I'd much rather government help to lower barriers to entry to create more competition.

That seems to be approach taken in Europe, and that seems to be working.
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(01-03-2018 06:15 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I45 is right; Apple has never dominated the personal computer market. Hell, Commodore was closer to domination than Apple ever was...

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ETA: I think my smart aleck remark may be a violation of this board's AUP. Apologies!

To the OP: Is it really that big of a deal if, say, Facebook is a monopoly? I don't think I worry too much about one social networking platform dominating all others. The barrier to entry for digital entities is near zero. MySpace was pretty dominant at one point.

I'm a bit uncomfortable when a more substantial business like Google starts crowding out my choices but I'm even more uncomfortable with government intervention to reign them in.

That chart doesn't have the Apple II and Apple IIe, only the Mac, which was never a big player. Apple was the first one truly in the home market, but not for long.
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Facebook as a monopoly becomes a big deal when they start controlling access to media and advertising. It isn't so much the control over posting pictures and messages.

Google has a similar impact on media and advertising.

Apple is more in their music and apps.

Amazon is in access to the marketplace for businesses who use them or compete with them.
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(01-04-2018 07:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  That chart doesn't have the Apple II and Apple IIe, only the Mac, which was never a big player. Apple was the first one truly in the home market, but not for long.

From the same article:

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(01-04-2018 08:02 AM)bullet Wrote:  Facebook as a monopoly becomes a big deal when they start controlling access to media and advertising. It isn't so much the control over posting pictures and messages.

Google has a similar impact on media and advertising.

Apple is more in their music and apps.

Amazon is in access to the marketplace for businesses who use them or compete with them.

Consumers believe that when they "like" a business on Facebook that they will be able to keep up with what the business offers, latest sales from stores, new products from manufacturers, new articles from web sites.

That isn't what happens though.

If you have 10,000 followers and you post your new thing, maybe 1,000 to 3,000 of the followers will ever be shown that post on their feed.

Facebook hides the content under the guise that their magic voodoo formula only shows people what they want to see despite the fact that the consumer has already said "I want to see this content" by clicking like.

The business has to pay Facebook to reach all the people that said they wanted to see that content.

Facebook could block content even more aggressively to favor a competitor of the business and the reality is that it would be incredibly hard to detect absent a court order to get into Facebook's system.
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I just don't see how that is a significant harm to a consumer. There are myriad ways to follow a business. Relying on a social media platform to get information is a choice. If you feel they are being deceptive, don't use them, or use another method to get your information. Search engines, news feeds, plenty of aggregators out there. This doesn't require a regulatory fix.
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(01-04-2018 11:38 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I just don't see how that is a significant harm to a consumer. There are myriad ways to follow a business. Relying on a social media platform to get information is a choice. If you feel they are being deceptive, don't use them, or use another method to get your information. Search engines, news feeds, plenty of aggregators out there. This doesn't require a regulatory fix.

The people who buy advertising or access for their media content are the "consumer" in this context.
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