Basketball is terrible. Fans are not buying tickets. There is no support. The basketball program is losing money and needs a shot in the arm BAD. It doesn't take a genius to realize that ANY kind of decent hire is going to re-ignite a lot more badly needed interest. Face it, Doc was just a means to an end. He was only hired to get us through the sanctions. Besides that he never should've been hired. Just look at his conference record at Nebraska: 34-64 = that's a 34% winning percentage...

Why was he ever interviewed with that terrible conference winning percentage??

RGC's sky is falling. We need newfound excitement again for basketball. It ain't happening with Doc.

He has 2 years left after this one on his contract at over 300k a year I believe. So his buyout is probably over half a mil after this year. We just don’t have that kind of money to buyout a basketball coach. I’m saying best case scenario he has 1 more year and then we buy him out.

The over half-million-dollar question is how does a money-losing, no-ticket-selling, no-support-getting program go about buying out what’s left of his contract?

My guess is he’s here through 2018-19 regardless of what the team does. On his end, surely, he realizes if he fails here, he’ll never get another D-I head coaching job, so he’s going to hang on & keep trying as long as he believes he may have time to turn it around. On the school’s end, that’s probably the absolute soonest that firing him becomes finacially feasible.

Frankly, if we can raise enough money to buy him out now, that money might be better invested in the program’s infrastructure so we can hire better the next time around & not get turned down by a guy at a Southland school. It’s well established that our fan base is weird as crap when it comes to hoops. F*** the guy who wins a conference title against Memphis, Louisville, and Cincinnati. Good riddance to the guy who gets us in the NCAAs for the first time in over 20 years. We could just as easily replace Doc and not have a damned thing change in terms of support as end up with a shot in the arm. I’d rather get the right guy in another year or two than get another wrong guy as soon as possible.

Giblett started a small search committee to hire our first mens basketball coach involved closely with the lgbtqh community.

What an incredibly dumb hire. It's so "Southern Miss" to hire a coach who had a 34% conference game winning percentage. Who else was on our board besides Doc? I know Brad Underwood was literally about to accept the job but last second SFA re-upts their $$$ for him and he said no thanks. Heir?

(12-23-2017 11:12 PM)Eagle9 Wrote:  He has 2 years left after this one on his contract at over 300k a year I believe. So his buyout is probably over half a mil after this year. We just don’t have that kind of money to buyout a basketball coach. I’m saying best case scenario he has 1 more year and then we buy him out.

I don't think there's a buyout, we just pay him what's left on his contract. We pay him 350k a year, and he would have 2 years left on his deal after this season. So that's 700k.

You'd have to get some donors to pony up (do any of our big money guys even care about basketball?) but a lot of that money could be made up with increased ticket sales, HWC memberships, sponsorships, etc.

We average less than 2,000 people per game. That's utterly pathetic. You're losing real money when your attendance is that low. Eustachy's crowds were bad as well, but at least he won games. Sadler has finished below 300 in KenPom/Sagarin all 3 years he's been there, which Eustachy never did (only finished below 200 twice, his first 2 seasons). A young, exciting coach that embraces the community and engages the students would have at least 3,000 a game in NITchampsburg (maybe 3,500 or even 4,000 if he wins big). That would be a 30-40% increase which would be a huge revenue booster.

Basketball fandom is non-existent among students. There are literally like 20 people in the student section for home games. That's terrible, even for C-USA. 99% of our students haven't even been to a USM basketball game. Compare that to baseball, which is extremely popular among the students. People on campus are so crazy about the baseball program that we have a bunch of poor college kids dropping $100 to join the Dugout Club. Doc doesn't engage the students at all. Tyndall is a POS and can go to hell, but he spoke to a bunch of organizations on campus and got people at USM excited about Southern Miss basketball. We need more of that.

Another thing .... listen to a basketball radio broadcast. We have few sponsorships from actual businesses or corporations. A lot of them are just simple PSAs like look out for wildfires or tornadoes or whathaveyou. It's possible that a new coach could help with corporate sponsorships as fan excitement increases.

If he doesn't win 7 CUSA games this year (a pretty low bar), he needs to be let go if at all possible. We can bring in Greg Heiar or John Brannen and turn this thing around.

(12-24-2017 12:30 AM)TTT Wrote:  What an incredibly dumb hire. It's so "Southern Miss" to hire a coach who had a 34% conference game winning percentage. Who else was on our board besides Doc? I know Brad Underwood was literally about to accept the job but last second SFA re-upts their $$$ for him and he said no thanks. Heir?

Heiar wanted the job. Said he knew what it took to win here. But people on committee wanted nothing to do with anyone associated with Eustachy.

On Doc, from what I’ve been told (and this is just from friends of people who were on the committee), no one on the committee considered Doc except McGillis, who had a previous relationship with him that began at Houston in the 80s. At one point, the committee said “absolutely not” and so McG got on a plane and went and hired him all by himself.

(12-24-2017 08:09 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 12:30 AM)TTT Wrote:  What an incredibly dumb hire. It's so "Southern Miss" to hire a coach who had a 34% conference game winning percentage. Who else was on our board besides Doc? I know Brad Underwood was literally about to accept the job but last second SFA re-upts their $$$ for him and he said no thanks. Heir?

Heiar wanted the job. Said he knew what it took to win here. But people on committee wanted nothing to do with anyone associated with Eustachy.

On Doc, from what I’ve been told (and this is just from friends of people who were on the committee), no one on the committee considered Doc except McGillis, who had a previous relationship with him that began at Houston in the 80s. At one point, the committee said “absolutely not” and so McG got on a plane and went and hired him all by himself.

Thank you! Confirmed my suspions and what i surmised and posted when he was first hired - Mcgillydolt hired his friend. So im right again. Yall should just all gather around with pencil and paper and ask me what i think from the beginning regarding everything that happens.

Merry Christmas!

(12-24-2017 08:09 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 12:30 AM)TTT Wrote:  What an incredibly dumb hire. It's so "Southern Miss" to hire a coach who had a 34% conference game winning percentage. Who else was on our board besides Doc? I know Brad Underwood was literally about to accept the job but last second SFA re-upts their $$$ for him and he said no thanks. Heir?

Heiar wanted the job. Said he knew what it took to win here. But people on committee wanted nothing to do with anyone associated with Eustachy.

On Doc, from what I’ve been told (and this is just from friends of people who were on the committee), no one on the committee considered Doc except McGillis, who had a previous relationship with him that began at Houston in the 80s. At one point, the committee said “absolutely not” and so McG got on a plane and went and hired him all by himself.

That owns. I’ve heard a couple of other McGillis stories that make Giannini seem competent compared to him.

Heiar is exactly what we need in a basketball coach. Young, exciting guy that is an amazing recruiter. He has big-time connections in JUCO basketball. Look at Eustachy’s last few teams, a lot of those guys that were major contributors were Chipola guys that he brought in. Flowers, Page, Pelham, etc. He would know how to get things done in NITchampsburg.

(12-24-2017 10:54 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:09 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 12:30 AM)TTT Wrote:  What an incredibly dumb hire. It's so "Southern Miss" to hire a coach who had a 34% conference game winning percentage. Who else was on our board besides Doc? I know Brad Underwood was literally about to accept the job but last second SFA re-upts their $$$ for him and he said no thanks. Heir?

Heiar wanted the job. Said he knew what it took to win here. But people on committee wanted nothing to do with anyone associated with Eustachy.

On Doc, from what I’ve been told (and this is just from friends of people who were on the committee), no one on the committee considered Doc except McGillis, who had a previous relationship with him that began at Houston in the 80s. At one point, the committee said “absolutely not” and so McG got on a plane and went and hired him all by himself.

Thank you! Confirmed my suspions and what i surmised and posted when he was first hired - Mcgillydolt hired his friend. So im right again. Yall should just all gather around with pencil and paper and ask me what i think from the beginning regarding everything that happens.

Merry Christmas!

You also thought we would win the regional....

We seem to be excellent at throttling momentum. Before Eloss there was James Green. The difference could be that JG was a pretty good coach but his style was 180 degrees out of phase with Turk. It was boring as hades and fan support dwindled. We may have a hard time getting it back. I believe the same should be done with the AD position as should be done with coaches. We should get a young up and comer to run the program with the target being to be successful and move on. We have hired an ‘Eloss’ for AD every chance we get. Success starts at the top.

(12-24-2017 12:01 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 10:54 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:09 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 12:30 AM)TTT Wrote:  What an incredibly dumb hire. It's so "Southern Miss" to hire a coach who had a 34% conference game winning percentage. Who else was on our board besides Doc? I know Brad Underwood was literally about to accept the job but last second SFA re-upts their $$$ for him and he said no thanks. Heir?

Heiar wanted the job. Said he knew what it took to win here. But people on committee wanted nothing to do with anyone associated with Eustachy.

On Doc, from what I’ve been told (and this is just from friends of people who were on the committee), no one on the committee considered Doc except McGillis, who had a previous relationship with him that began at Houston in the 80s. At one point, the committee said “absolutely not” and so McG got on a plane and went and hired him all by himself.

Thank you! Confirmed my suspions and what i surmised and posted when he was first hired - Mcgillydolt hired his friend. So im right again. Yall should just all gather around with pencil and paper and ask me what i think from the beginning regarding everything that happens.

Merry Christmas!

You also thought we would win the regional....

Damnnnnnnnnn BURN

(12-23-2017 10:58 PM)TTT Wrote:  ANY kind of decent hire is going to re-ignite interest.

No, it isn't.

(12-24-2017 02:05 PM)Black Diamond Reb Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:58 PM)TTT Wrote:  ANY kind of decent hire is going to re-ignite interest.

No, it isn't.

2 in a ROW for BDR...Hey, I call'em as I see 'em (IF I can see'em!)

(12-24-2017 12:47 PM)TheChosenOne Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 12:01 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 10:54 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:09 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 12:30 AM)TTT Wrote:  What an incredibly dumb hire. It's so "Southern Miss" to hire a coach who had a 34% conference game winning percentage. Who else was on our board besides Doc? I know Brad Underwood was literally about to accept the job but last second SFA re-upts their $$$ for him and he said no thanks. Heir?

Heiar wanted the job. Said he knew what it took to win here. But people on committee wanted nothing to do with anyone associated with Eustachy.

On Doc, from what I’ve been told (and this is just from friends of people who were on the committee), no one on the committee considered Doc except McGillis, who had a previous relationship with him that began at Houston in the 80s. At one point, the committee said “absolutely not” and so McG got on a plane and went and hired him all by himself.

Thank you! Confirmed my suspions and what i surmised and posted when he was first hired - Mcgillydolt hired his friend. So im right again. Yall should just all gather around with pencil and paper and ask me what i think from the beginning regarding everything that happens.

Merry Christmas!

You also thought we would win the regional....

Damnnnnnnnnn BURN

Actually, had the coaching staff taken notes of my posts and never had Wallner in CF, he wouldn't have made that error in CF and USM would have won the regional.

I cant do it all by myself.

(12-24-2017 02:05 PM)Black Diamond Reb Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:58 PM)TTT Wrote:  ANY kind of decent hire is going to re-ignite interest.

No, it isn't.

BDR’s 100% correct on this one. We’ve had better than decent hires on the court who flopped in the stands.

We need someone who’ll win a lot as well as satisfy the local fan base’s other criteria for supporting him, whatever in the hell those are at any given moment.

Honestly, we ought to just give the job to Spoon and see what happens. It he stinks, he stinks, but at least we’ll sell a few tickets before finding out.

(12-24-2017 03:08 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:05 PM)Black Diamond Reb Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:58 PM)TTT Wrote:  ANY kind of decent hire is going to re-ignite interest.

No, it isn't.

BDR’s 100% correct on this one. We’ve had better than decent hires on the court who flopped in the stands.

We need someone who’ll win a lot as well as satisfy the local fan base’s other criteria for supporting him, whatever in the hell those are at any given moment.

Honestly, we ought to just give the job to Spoon and see what happens. It he stinks, he stinks, but at least we’ll sell a few tickets before finding out.

Think Spoon would be interested in it?

(12-24-2017 10:54 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:09 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 12:30 AM)TTT Wrote:  What an incredibly dumb hire. It's so "Southern Miss" to hire a coach who had a 34% conference game winning percentage. Who else was on our board besides Doc? I know Brad Underwood was literally about to accept the job but last second SFA re-upts their $$$ for him and he said no thanks. Heir?

Heiar wanted the job. Said he knew what it took to win here. But people on committee wanted nothing to do with anyone associated with Eustachy.

On Doc, from what I’ve been told (and this is just from friends of people who were on the committee), no one on the committee considered Doc except McGillis, who had a previous relationship with him that began at Houston in the 80s. At one point, the committee said “absolutely not” and so McG got on a plane and went and hired him all by himself.

Thank you! Confirmed my suspions and what i surmised and posted when he was first hired - Mcgillydolt hired his friend. So im right again. Yall should just all gather around with pencil and paper and ask me what i think from the beginning regarding everything that happens.

Merry Christmas!

Uhhh, did you surmise that from McGillis actually discussing at length during Doc’s introduction how he knew him from working at Houston together years ago?

Nice going Dick Tracy.

(12-24-2017 03:08 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:05 PM)Black Diamond Reb Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:58 PM)TTT Wrote:  ANY kind of decent hire is going to re-ignite interest.

No, it isn't.

BDR’s 100% correct on this one. We’ve had better than decent hires on the court who flopped in the stands.

We need someone who’ll win a lot as well as satisfy the local fan base’s other criteria for supporting him, whatever in the hell those are at any given moment.

Honestly, we ought to just give the job to Spoon and see what happens. It he stinks, he stinks, but at least we’ll sell a few tickets before finding out.

Oh, no.

Maybe he’d excite some people but that hire wouldn’t excite me at all. Just strikes me as another “one of us” nightmare. He’s not at all qualified to take this job either. Only been coaching for 2 years.

(12-24-2017 02:05 PM)Black Diamond Reb Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:58 PM)TTT Wrote:  ANY kind of decent hire is going to re-ignite interest.

No, it isn't.

Vs. Keeping Doc??? Are you that stupid?