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RE: Are WAC and Big Sky merge/split talks going on again?
Looking more and more like Rob Spear, or perhaps the poster who claimed Rob Spear said it, was full of it. Nothing going on. I think we need to look at Idaho Athletic Department for the agenda to explain this.

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@GCU_AD any truth to the claim that talks are ongoing between wac and big sky for some sort of merger?
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Not to my knowledge...
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(12-30-2017 02:43 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 11:08 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 05:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UND Hockey: 250,000 fans paying premium pricing each year for the 8 time champs
NAU CC: zero paying fans

Needless to say, Big Sky presidents are impressed with so many paying customer. If Big Sky Presidents value cross country so much, they will start charging admission.

Yup, BSC brass valued hockey attendance so much that they booted the only member with a D1 hockey program to the slummit. Quality logic right there...hockey dictating FB membership...I think that outflanks the "Idaho is now calling realignment decisions" logic. Amazing. These realignment threads never fail to entertain.

Sac St should be in demand, but their 300 odd fans at mbb games fail to impress.

As per normal, this board clearly has a bad carseat econcomics. UND has a tremenous fan base while Sac St has next to nothing. Idaho and the Montana's understand economics far better than this board


North Dakota has a good fan base in a sport no one else competes in.
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http://collegesportsinfo.com/forum MB thread discussing Big Sky Expansion & Realignment with regards to the WAC.
http://collegesportsinfo.com/forum/viewt...&start=405
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(12-29-2017 05:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 12:24 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 02:55 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-28-2017 06:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-28-2017 05:38 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Been saying forever that the Northern Big Sky was unhappy, and here we are.

The WAC will get Southland and southern Big Sky schools that want FBS or quality basketball, like Sam Houston St, Lamar, S F Austin, Davis,Sac St, Cal Poly, and ORU.

The new Summit will take The Montanas, Idaho, and EWU and go FBS too.

The Big Sky will have to take Seattle, UVU, Dixie St, and Azusa and maybe Cal Baptist.

A complicated swap system is ongoing, and the Big West has provided a major clue. This has been five years in planning.


No, there is no proof outside of a few message board posters and the bitter Idaho AD that the northern schools are unhappy.

But dream on, dream on, dream on...

You have about 100 days until you have to disappear. Post wisely.

The few NAU fans will be weeping for days soon. The Montanas and Idaho do not consider them of a viable program, as it doesn't have fans. Weber St is the only central and southern Big Sky program that they would miss.

The Idaho, SUU, and Weher St admins have all tated their will be major changes, but message board fools insist that nothing changes.

Yes, the only Big Sky school with not one, but two national Championships in a widely competed sport, a doctoral research institute, largest residential school in the conference, soon to be largest overall school, 3rd highest endowment (5 times EWU, 3 times ISU), located in a growing and populous state (almost twice as large as Idaho, Montana and the Dakotas COMBINED). Yeah, we are far more viable and wanted than UND.

UND Hockey: 250,000 fans paying premium pricing each year for the 8 time champs
NAU CC: zero paying fans

Needless to say, Big Sky presidents are impressed with so many paying customer. If Big Sky Presidents value cross country so much, they will start charging admission.

Those BSC Presidents were so impressed they were thrilled to see UND leave.

Hockey is not a sport played in the BSC. It is a niche sport very few people care about. Accept it, move on, hope your athletic department fixes the issues you have in your main sports.
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(01-03-2018 02:35 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 05:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 12:24 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 02:55 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-28-2017 06:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  No, there is no proof outside of a few message board posters and the bitter Idaho AD that the northern schools are unhappy.

But dream on, dream on, dream on...

You have about 100 days until you have to disappear. Post wisely.

The few NAU fans will be weeping for days soon. The Montanas and Idaho do not consider them of a viable program, as it doesn't have fans. Weber St is the only central and southern Big Sky program that they would miss.

The Idaho, SUU, and Weher St admins have all tated their will be major changes, but message board fools insist that nothing changes.

Yes, the only Big Sky school with not one, but two national Championships in a widely competed sport, a doctoral research institute, largest residential school in the conference, soon to be largest overall school, 3rd highest endowment (5 times EWU, 3 times ISU), located in a growing and populous state (almost twice as large as Idaho, Montana and the Dakotas COMBINED). Yeah, we are far more viable and wanted than UND.

UND Hockey: 250,000 fans paying premium pricing each year for the 8 time champs
NAU CC: zero paying fans

Needless to say, Big Sky presidents are impressed with so many paying customer. If Big Sky Presidents value cross country so much, they will start charging admission.

Those BSC Presidents were so impressed they were thrilled to see UND leave.

Hockey is not a sport played in the BSC. It is a niche sport very few people care about. Accept it, move on, hope your athletic department fixes the issues you have in your main sports.

Again, your so incredibly ignorant of the sport. The Sioux Falls Stampede draws 200,000 a year and it's essentially a development program for UND. None of the BSC school have access to rinks or have money to start a program . South Dakota, at least the kids, are embracing hockey and more and more embrace UND. The Fargo-Moorhead Sharks also draw incredibly well for hockey even though NDSU fans almost invariably disdain it.

These old codger NDSU and SDSU fans will never get it.
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(01-03-2018 03:44 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 02:35 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 05:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 12:24 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 02:55 AM)NoDak Wrote:  The few NAU fans will be weeping for days soon. The Montanas and Idaho do not consider them of a viable program, as it doesn't have fans. Weber St is the only central and southern Big Sky program that they would miss.

The Idaho, SUU, and Weher St admins have all tated their will be major changes, but message board fools insist that nothing changes.

Yes, the only Big Sky school with not one, but two national Championships in a widely competed sport, a doctoral research institute, largest residential school in the conference, soon to be largest overall school, 3rd highest endowment (5 times EWU, 3 times ISU), located in a growing and populous state (almost twice as large as Idaho, Montana and the Dakotas COMBINED). Yeah, we are far more viable and wanted than UND.

UND Hockey: 250,000 fans paying premium pricing each year for the 8 time champs
NAU CC: zero paying fans

Needless to say, Big Sky presidents are impressed with so many paying customer. If Big Sky Presidents value cross country so much, they will start charging admission.

Those BSC Presidents were so impressed they were thrilled to see UND leave.

Hockey is not a sport played in the BSC. It is a niche sport very few people care about. Accept it, move on, hope your athletic department fixes the issues you have in your main sports.

Again, your so incredibly ignorant of the sport. The Sioux Falls Stampede draws 200,000 a year and it's essentially a development program for UND. None of the BSC school have access to rinks or have money to start a program . South Dakota, at least the kids, are embracing hockey and more and more embrace UND. The Fargo-Moorhead Sharks also draw incredibly well for hockey even though NDSU fans almost invariably disdain it.

These old codger NDSU and SDSU fans will never get it.

And again, what does Hockey in the Dakotas have to do with schools in the West that don't play Hockey?




Hint:






NOTHING
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(01-03-2018 03:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 03:44 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 02:35 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 05:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 12:24 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Yes, the only Big Sky school with not one, but two national Championships in a widely competed sport, a doctoral research institute, largest residential school in the conference, soon to be largest overall school, 3rd highest endowment (5 times EWU, 3 times ISU), located in a growing and populous state (almost twice as large as Idaho, Montana and the Dakotas COMBINED). Yeah, we are far more viable and wanted than UND.

UND Hockey: 250,000 fans paying premium pricing each year for the 8 time champs
NAU CC: zero paying fans

Needless to say, Big Sky presidents are impressed with so many paying customer. If Big Sky Presidents value cross country so much, they will start charging admission.

Those BSC Presidents were so impressed they were thrilled to see UND leave.

Hockey is not a sport played in the BSC. It is a niche sport very few people care about. Accept it, move on, hope your athletic department fixes the issues you have in your main sports.

Again, your so incredibly ignorant of the sport. The Sioux Falls Stampede draws 200,000 a year and it's essentially a development program for UND. None of the BSC school have access to rinks or have money to start a program . South Dakota, at least the kids, are embracing hockey and more and more embrace UND. The Fargo-Moorhead Sharks also draw incredibly well for hockey even though NDSU fans almost invariably disdain it.

These old codger NDSU and SDSU fans will never get it.

And again, what does Hockey in the Dakotas have to do with schools in the West that don't play Hockey?




Hint:






NOTHING

Nau would love to bring back varsity hockey and be like Arizona St, but they dropped the sport years ago as they could not afford repairs to ice making equipment.

Vegas is pulling in record breaking crowds and winning for an expansion team. Seattle is about to pay $650 mill for a new team. Taking your word that there is no interest is a idea for losers.
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(01-03-2018 05:13 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 03:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 03:44 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 02:35 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 05:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UND Hockey: 250,000 fans paying premium pricing each year for the 8 time champs
NAU CC: zero paying fans

Needless to say, Big Sky presidents are impressed with so many paying customer. If Big Sky Presidents value cross country so much, they will start charging admission.

Those BSC Presidents were so impressed they were thrilled to see UND leave.

Hockey is not a sport played in the BSC. It is a niche sport very few people care about. Accept it, move on, hope your athletic department fixes the issues you have in your main sports.

Again, your so incredibly ignorant of the sport. The Sioux Falls Stampede draws 200,000 a year and it's essentially a development program for UND. None of the BSC school have access to rinks or have money to start a program . South Dakota, at least the kids, are embracing hockey and more and more embrace UND. The Fargo-Moorhead Sharks also draw incredibly well for hockey even though NDSU fans almost invariably disdain it.

These old codger NDSU and SDSU fans will never get it.

And again, what does Hockey in the Dakotas have to do with schools in the West that don't play Hockey?




Hint:






NOTHING

Nau would love to bring back varsity hockey and be like Arizona St, but they dropped the sport years ago as they could not afford repairs to ice making equipment.

Vegas is pulling in record breaking crowds and winning for an expansion team. Seattle is about to pay $650 mill for a new team. Taking your word that there is no interest is a idea for losers.

Again, the point is going right over your head. No Big Sky school has Hockey. The school most likely to bring it back, NAU, is not part of your fantasy. So UND and/or Hockey's popularity has ZERO bearing on the Big Sky, or zero pull in some fantasy realignment.

And yes, I know why NAU dropped hockey - I was the student rep on the President's Committee on Athletics then. Went to many meetings about the Hockey Program. Students voted themselves a $25/semester fee to build a new arena, as long as the Athletic Department raised $1 million in seed money. They didn't, and the program was dropped.
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(01-03-2018 06:24 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 05:13 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 03:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 03:44 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 02:35 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  Those BSC Presidents were so impressed they were thrilled to see UND leave.

Hockey is not a sport played in the BSC. It is a niche sport very few people care about. Accept it, move on, hope your athletic department fixes the issues you have in your main sports.

Again, your so incredibly ignorant of the sport. The Sioux Falls Stampede draws 200,000 a year and it's essentially a development program for UND. None of the BSC school have access to rinks or have money to start a program . South Dakota, at least the kids, are embracing hockey and more and more embrace UND. The Fargo-Moorhead Sharks also draw incredibly well for hockey even though NDSU fans almost invariably disdain it.

These old codger NDSU and SDSU fans will never get it.

And again, what does Hockey in the Dakotas have to do with schools in the West that don't play Hockey?




Hint:






NOTHING

Nau would love to bring back varsity hockey and be like Arizona St, but they dropped the sport years ago as they could not afford repairs to ice making equipment.

Vegas is pulling in record breaking crowds and winning for an expansion team. Seattle is about to pay $650 mill for a new team. Taking your word that there is no interest is a idea for losers.

Again, the point is going right over your head. No Big Sky school has Hockey. The school most likely to bring it back, NAU, is not part of your fantasy. So UND and/or Hockey's popularity has ZERO bearing on the Big Sky, or zero pull in some fantasy realignment.

And yes, I know why NAU dropped hockey - I was the student rep on the President's Committee on Athletics then. Went to many meetings about the Hockey Program. Students voted themselves a $25/semester fee to build a new arena, as long as the Athletic Department raised $1 million in seed money. They didn't, and the program was dropped.

UND has a far larger budget than anyone in the Big Sky because of hockey. It is even larget than wha is shown because 2/3 rds of ticket sales never show up on its books but go to a charitable arena foundation. Big Sky Presidents that understand accounting will join UND, and you posters will be dumbfounded.

UND dropped women's hockey as it will save $2 million competing with Wisconsign and Minnesota. That money will be used elsewhere .
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(01-03-2018 10:36 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UND has a far larger budget than anyone in the Big Sky because of hockey. It is even larget than wha is shown because 2/3 rds of ticket sales never show up on its books but go to a charitable arena foundation. Big Sky Presidents that understand accounting will join UND, and you posters will be dumbfounded.

UND dropped women's hockey as it will save $2 million competing with Wisconsign and Minnesota. That money will be used elsewhere .

Wait so hockey is massive in the Dakota's but UND dropped women's hockey...whhaaa...

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(01-03-2018 01:31 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  http://collegesportsinfo.com/forum MB thread discussing Big Sky Expansion & Realignment with regards to the WAC.
http://collegesportsinfo.com/forum/viewt...&start=405

And here I thought this website cornered the market for laughable WAC expansion/realignment nonsense.
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So EWU AD Bill Chaves is a finalist for UND's new AD. Guess he is in a better position to judge than some slugs here.
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(01-04-2018 06:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  So EWU AD Bill Chaves is a finalist for UND's new AD. Guess he is in a better position to judge than some slugs here.

Wait, so you're bragging that UND is considering an AD of an school that enrolls anyone with a 2.0 and a pulse who couldn't fund raise with one of the most successful FCS programs of the last decade? This is good for UND how exactly?

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(01-04-2018 06:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  So EWU AD Bill Chaves is a finalist for UND's new AD. Guess he is in a better position to judge than some slugs here.

Wait, so you're bragging that UND is considering an AD of an school that enrolls anyone with a 2.0 and a pulse who couldn't fund raise with one of the most successful FCS programs of the last decade? This is good for UND how exactly?

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Sac St has the same issue except winning. Can't fund raise for a new arena to improve on Jr High gym after 30 years of trying. Meanwhile Davis has donors handing over eight figure checks for a larger FBS stadium.
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(01-04-2018 09:28 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 08:33 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 06:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  So EWU AD Bill Chaves is a finalist for UND's new AD. Guess he is in a better position to judge than some slugs here.

Wait, so you're bragging that UND is considering an AD of an school that enrolls anyone with a 2.0 and a pulse who couldn't fund raise with one of the most successful FCS programs of the last decade? This is good for UND how exactly?

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Sac St has the same issue except winning. Can't fund raise for a new arena to improve on Jr High gym after 30 years of trying. Meanwhile Davis has donors handing over eight figure checks for a larger FBS stadium.

Not sure how any of that is relevant, but we hired our AD from a top mid-major program (St. Mary's) last spring, and the event center feasibility study is in progress. I fully expect it to get built while Nelsen is Pres.

And link for the dungpilers stadium expansion efforts? Besides a rendering that was put out like 5 years ago and a vague "stadium can be expanded" comment, there has been no movement...because there is no need for a stadium that big at FCS. I'll chalk that up as a weak troll attempt at best.
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Can we stop with the personal attacks? They really are detracting from the thread. It is obvious that there are some posters who disagree. Fine, but why does it need to delve into what it has become?
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Once again, dumb thread. NoDak comes with this drivel with no evidence. Anything he says is not happening and not going to happen. I hate this thread and can't even believe I'm contributing to it.
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It should be noted that Rob Spear will probably be "indisposed" from this discussion shortly. Reason:

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/ap...yesterday/

Yet... I wish to argue that a slightly different form of a merger or realignment will probably be considered.

Simple plan: the northern and southern schools split... but football remains under one conference. Much like Missouri Valley Football Conference has members from 2-3 different conferences, Big Sky football will probably continue to exist as is.

Football travel costs can be large, but revenues can be large. Travel for all other sports... that's a problem. So if you want to consider the outcome the "Alaska Air Conference" (because the northern schools are primarily served by Alaska/Horizon) and the southern schools the Southwest Air Conference, not only is there the possibility of cost savings, but perhaps also a sponsorship opportunity or two.

The thought is inspired by rumors of C-USA and Sun Belt calling a truce and try to be more geographically responsible. The thought is to get over the old pecking order... and I know, I know, that's far easier said than done.
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(04-04-2018 03:44 PM)Pounder Wrote:  It should be noted that Rob Spear will probably be "indisposed" from this discussion shortly. Reason:

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/ap...yesterday/

Yet... I wish to argue that a slightly different form of a merger or realignment will probably be considered.

Simple plan: the northern and southern schools split... but football remains under one conference. Much like Missouri Valley Football Conference has members from 2-3 different conferences, Big Sky football will probably continue to exist as is.

Football travel costs can be large, but revenues can be large. Travel for all other sports... that's a problem. So if you want to consider the outcome the "Alaska Air Conference" (because the northern schools are primarily served by Alaska/Horizon) and the southern schools the Southwest Air Conference, not only is there the possibility of cost savings, but perhaps also a sponsorship opportunity or two.

The thought is inspired by rumors of C-USA and Sun Belt calling a truce and try to be more geographically responsible. The thought is to get over the old pecking order... and I know, I know, that's far easier said than done.

Would it be best that the Southern football schools play in the WAC while the northern football schools play in the Big Sky? We have some schools that are looked as possible D1 candidates from D2. They are in the GNAC and in the RMAC.
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Azusa Pacific/Humboldt State/Sacramento State/UC-Davis/Cal. Poly
Southern Utah/Dixie State
Northern Arizona/Colorado State Pueblo
West Texas A&M/Tarleton State/UTPB
Big Sky:
Western Oregon/Portland State
Simon Fraser/Central Washington/Eastern Washington
Idaho/Idaho State
Colorado Mesa/Northern Colorado/Weber State
Montana/Montana State
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