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RE: Why Star Wars the Last Jedi Sucks
(12-23-2017 01:41 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Heh. Saw a great tweet the other day, imagining JJ Abrams' pitch for Episode IX: "It was all a dream!"

No offense intended, but lots of these criticisms are nit picks. Nit picks I agree with but certainly didn't spoil the movie for me. And it feels like most of the significant criticisms come from the idea that the Expanded Universe and "canon" are so terribly precious. I just don't feel that way, and in fact am growing to like the movie the more I think about it. Just a couple of examples/rebuttals:
Snoke - How much did you know about the Emperor when he died in VI? Almost nothing from IV, and some from V. No background, very little development. Didn't take away from the story of the original trilogy at all.
Rey - Holy crap, the Jedi are an Order of celibates! Why are people demanding that Jedi be descended from other Jedi? They pretty much HAVE to be able to come from "anywhere". I thought that scene with Kylo and Rey was easily one of the best in the film.

It isn't nit picking. With this film Rian Johnson has taken a dump on the entire known Star Wars Universe. The concept of the good Jedi battling the evil Sith for the freedom of the galaxy is the backbone of the entire franchise. By taking that premise away, Johnson and Disney have turned this into a completely different thing. They may as well call their next installment by some other name, because under this new premise it will fail to be Star Wars. I guess the liberal think-tank at Disney could go more PC and name it "Star Capitulations: The Whinny Retreat Continues".

Because of the power Rey demonstrated in the Force Awakens, she needed to be a Skywalker. Johnson messed that up too. Of Course Jedi don't have to be the offspring of other Jedi, but Rey did. Anakin (Darth Vader), was the most powerful Jedi ever; created by the Force itself. He had no father. A Jedi with comparable power to his and more power then Vader's grandson (Kylo), just can't emerge from no where. The Force created the ultimate Force user. To have a random person born with powers that appear to be as strong or stronger then Anakin, without even providing a reason, is just stupid. I don't think anyone is arguing that Jedi can come from anywhere, just that Rey should have, because of her level of strength with the Force.
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12-23-2017 11:16 AM
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RE: Why Star Wars the Last Jedi Sucks
I knew immediately after TFA that the majority of this new canon ("Disney-era canon") wouldn't be my cup of tea, but there are certain things that just bother me. The treatment of supporting characters, new and old, has been one of those things. There was potential for meaningful character development for Chewbacca and Phasma, and both have been downgraded (in Phasma's case, flatly hurled down and away from the plot). Han's death in TFA was an opportunity for Disney to cherrypick the Wookie life-debt concept from the Legends-era canon and give Chewbacca something meaningful to do with his screentime. (ie. go after Kylo to avenge Solo and fulfill the debt) As of now Chewie has been relegated to comic relief, which is sad.

Phasma is even worse. Talented actress, unique costume, potential for mystery and intrigue similar to Fett, and...nothing. She gets a few Nurse Ratched-type lines, a brief fight with one of the secondary protagonists, and then she gets offed via disappearing into explosion. Why create a unique character that stands out if you're just going to off them in a conventional way
12-23-2017 05:27 PM
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(12-22-2017 11:52 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Wow. I can understand some criticisms but you feel this is worse than Episode I (annoying Jar Jar Binks and the bad actor kid "Annie") or Episode II with flatlining Hayden Christensen?

Here's the difference between the prequel and the sequel trilogies. The prequel trilogies, at the very least, and a central plot line throughout the three movies that pushed the story through. Sure, you can argue that the prequel movies are poorly executed (and I would agree with that), but at least the central plot is there to carry you through.

The sequel trilogy (up to this point) have no tangible central plot that you can follow, IMO. It seems to be a series of movies made up of subplots, some of which carry over to the next movie, but no central plot. This stems from the fact that these writers and creators did not map out the entire trilogy for all three movies before they started making the first movie. It really seems like they are patching the movies together as they go along.
12-24-2017 11:11 PM
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(12-23-2017 11:16 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(12-23-2017 01:41 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Heh. Saw a great tweet the other day, imagining JJ Abrams' pitch for Episode IX: "It was all a dream!"

No offense intended, but lots of these criticisms are nit picks. Nit picks I agree with but certainly didn't spoil the movie for me. And it feels like most of the significant criticisms come from the idea that the Expanded Universe and "canon" are so terribly precious. I just don't feel that way, and in fact am growing to like the movie the more I think about it. Just a couple of examples/rebuttals:
Snoke - How much did you know about the Emperor when he died in VI? Almost nothing from IV, and some from V. No background, very little development. Didn't take away from the story of the original trilogy at all.
Rey - Holy crap, the Jedi are an Order of celibates! Why are people demanding that Jedi be descended from other Jedi? They pretty much HAVE to be able to come from "anywhere". I thought that scene with Kylo and Rey was easily one of the best in the film.

It isn't nit picking. With this film Rian Johnson has taken a dump on the entire known Star Wars Universe. The concept of the good Jedi battling the evil Sith for the freedom of the galaxy is the backbone of the entire franchise. By taking that premise away, Johnson and Disney have turned this into a completely different thing. They may as well call their next installment by some other name, because under this new premise it will fail to be Star Wars. I guess the liberal think-tank at Disney could go more PC and name it "Star Capitulations: The Whinny Retreat Continues".

Because of the power Rey demonstrated in the Force Awakens, she needed to be a Skywalker. Johnson messed that up too. Of Course Jedi don't have to be the offspring of other Jedi, but Rey did. Anakin (Darth Vader), was the most powerful Jedi ever; created by the Force itself. He had no father. A Jedi with comparable power to his and more power then Vader's grandson (Kylo), just can't emerge from no where. The Force created the ultimate Force user. To have a random person born with powers that appear to be as strong or stronger then Anakin, without even providing a reason, is just stupid. I don't think anyone is arguing that Jedi can come from anywhere, just that Rey should have, because of her level of strength with the Force.

Rey's ability to use the force with no training kinda irks me a bit. Anakin, the most power force user known, still had years of training to hone his power. Prior to training he just had very good intuition and skills, but could not manipulate the force to bring him objects, lightsaber wielding, etc.... If they want Rey to be the most powerful force user (or even the Chosen One x3) then fine, but they are going to have to sell me on the reasoning behind it, which they have failed to do it.
12-24-2017 11:17 PM
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Saw this last night and agree it isnt the best Star Wars movie. IMO, the Rose character was added to help sell tickets in Asia. I didnt mind the character but agree the whole Casino sequence was useless. Pricness Leia floating in space was a definite WTF moment.
12-26-2017 01:55 PM
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I saw it yesterday and I enjoyed it, but there was a lot of stuff in it that was totally unnecessary.

Leia in space...
Casino....
Benicio Del Toro's character in general...
The whole rejection of religion, history, etc....
12-26-2017 03:25 PM
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RE: Why Star Wars the Last Jedi Sucks
Jedi Skywalker is very disappointed in some of you.

[Image: star-wars-the-force-awakens-2015.png?rec...;amp;w=650]
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(12-26-2017 06:41 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Jedi Skywalker is very disappointed in some of you.

[Image: star-wars-the-force-awakens-2015.png?rec...;amp;w=650]

Jedi Skywalker had kind of turned into a homeless bag of massengill.
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(12-26-2017 07:26 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(12-26-2017 06:41 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Jedi Skywalker is very disappointed in some of you.

[Image: star-wars-the-force-awakens-2015.png?rec...;amp;w=650]

Jedi Skywalker had kind of turned into a homeless bag of massengill.

[Image: Star-Wars-8-Porgs-Food-Luke-Chewbacca-600x317.jpg]
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(12-26-2017 06:41 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Jedi Skywalker is very disappointed in some of you.

[Image: star-wars-the-force-awakens-2015.png?rec...;amp;w=650]

Jedi Skywalker milked a sea-cow then turned around and drank it while giving Rey a very creepy stare. Truth is, this film had killed Jedi Skywalker before he faded away at the end of the movie.
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