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Uneven numbers by the map the way to save the Big 12
Everybody is in the wrong place, the schools have not aligned properly. A whimsical look at what could be with 5 conferences.

Big 12 ahem 10
Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas and Kansas State.

PAC at 11.5
BYU (football only), Utah, Wash. State, Washington, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Cal, UCLA, So. Cal., Arizona, Arizona State. This works well for the two team conference network pairs used by the PAC. How you break them into divisions is up to you.

B1G at 12.5
Pitt, Ohio State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Missouri
Michigan, MSU, Northwestern Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa
Notre Dame, yep as a partial (still 5 games with annuals ((Pitt, Michigan, MSU, Purdue)) ).

SEC at 16
Baylor, A&M, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, MSU, Alabama, Louisville
Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, West Virginia, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

ACC at 16
UConn, Boston College, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland and Miami
UVA, Carolina, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Florida State

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12-20-2017 08:16 AM
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RE: Uneven numbers by the map the way to save the Big 12
Unfortunately, I don't see the XII surviving. Perhaps going to 80 with the following 4 conferences:

PAC
North: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, Boise St
West: California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, San Diego St
South: Arizona, Arizona St, UNLV, Utah, Colorado
East: Texas, Texas Tech, SMU, Houston, Colorado St

SEC
West: Texas A&M, TCU, Baylor, Arkansas, BYU (football)*
North: Iowa St, Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
South: LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Alabama, Auburn
East: Florida, South Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, East Carolina
* Wicihta St for non-football sports

B1G
South: Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Kansas St, Nebraska
West: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
North: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St
East: Maryland, Penn St, Temple, Rutgers, Connecticut

ACC
South: Miami, Central Florida, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson
West: Tulane, Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia
East: North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia
North: Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College

There are no power schools leaving their current conference (except XII). I think this is a somewhat fair spread but I don't think any of the conferences would be super happy.
12-20-2017 12:10 PM
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RE: Uneven numbers by the map the way to save the Big 12
I like a P4 for symmetry but if due to conference and individual school politics we can't get it done I do believe the below P5 with 70 teams with 14 teams each league would make the most sense if everyone gets a conference network and the revenues are similar among the conferences.

The new P5
ACC: adds ND & WVU, UCONN, CINCY, loses Va. or Va. Tech and NC St.
***ND finally goes all in and the ACC gives up 1 team in the state of Virginia & North Carolina where they have duplicate teams.

B1G: adds Va. or Va. Tech loses Nebraska
***The B1G continues to build on the Atlantic coast recruiting grounds they started with Rutgers & Maryland. Nebraska realizes without OU coming they will never be the athletic fit in the B1G they desire due to the focus of solidfying the PSU brand.

SEC: adds NC St. loses Arkansas
***SEC gets a school in North Carolina which is just as valuable to them as Arkansas
If the SEC wants to they can trade Missouri to the Big 12 for TCU to give them a 2nd Texas market and if Missouri is smart they realize the fit in the SEC just got worse with Arkansas leaving.

Big 12: add Nebraska, Arkansas, Houston, BYU & (BSU or Memphis probably depends whether Arkansas likes their inclusion or not) or if the PAC takes BYU & BSU the Big 12 takes CSU & New Mexico
***Nebraska & Arkansas are better fits for athletic success in the Big 12, if Missouri wakes they are also. If the Big

PAC 12: adds either CSU & New Mexico or BYU & BSU
***I think BYU & BSU would give better content but my guess is PAC 12 bias goes with CSU & New Mexico.

That is about as equal as you can get. The PAC weaker but we are probably in this situation because they would not be split up among the B1G & Big 12.
12-20-2017 02:02 PM
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RE: Uneven numbers by the map the way to save the Big 12
For playoffs with the 70 P5 teams.

Drop CCG's, make the 12th game of the season a flexible scheduled game as Mike Leach has proposed and go to 24 teams this reduces the amount of extra games concern.

Take the top 5 spots in each league to advance to the playoffs but rotate around on an equal basis one year one league only gets 4 teams in. No human politics with a selection committee. Also if you want to completely remove the bias for seeding, have a computer do the seeding and simply make an assumption on an equal rotating basis which leagues are seeded in order of strength. But SEC 1 is always ranked higher than B1G 2 and vice versa. Games are played on the higher seeds home field until the final 4.

Woo Hoo! a college football fans dream and plenty of valuable content for a nice sized playoff tv contract for the leagues! This could be a 16 team tournament but if you go to 24 you can eliminate the bowls which are worthless.

College footballs national champion is determined on the field. Your conference record is the only thing that determines playoffs so hopefully there is an incentive to play good non conference game matchups. Also, each league can do their own scheduling as they see fit. I think a single set of standings is best and locking in 3-4 rivalries and then letting them decide how often the other teams in the league play.
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12-20-2017 02:18 PM
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RE: Uneven numbers by the map the way to save the Big 12
(12-20-2017 02:02 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  I like a P4 for symmetry but if due to conference and individual school politics we can't get it done I do believe the below P5 with 70 teams with 14 teams each league would make the most sense if everyone gets a conference network and the revenues are similar among the conferences.

The new P5
ACC: adds ND & WVU, UCONN, CINCY, loses Va. or Va. Tech and NC St.
***ND finally goes all in and the ACC gives up 1 team in the state of Virginia & North Carolina where they have duplicate teams.

B1G: adds Va. or Va. Tech loses Nebraska
***The B1G continues to build on the Atlantic coast recruiting grounds they started with Rutgers & Maryland. Nebraska realizes without OU coming they will never be the athletic fit in the B1G they desire due to the focus of solidfying the PSU brand.

SEC: adds NC St. loses Arkansas
***SEC gets a school in North Carolina which is just as valuable to them as Arkansas
If the SEC wants to they can trade Missouri to the Big 12 for TCU to give them a 2nd Texas market and if Missouri is smart they realize the fit in the SEC just got worse with Arkansas leaving.

Big 12: add Nebraska, Arkansas, Houston, BYU & (BSU or Memphis probably depends whether Arkansas likes their inclusion or not) or if the PAC takes BYU & BSU the Big 12 takes CSU & New Mexico
***Nebraska & Arkansas are better fits for athletic success in the Big 12, if Missouri wakes they are also. If the Big

PAC 12: adds either CSU & New Mexico or BYU & BSU
***I think BYU & BSU would give better content but my guess is PAC 12 bias goes with CSU & New Mexico.

That is about as equal as you can get. The PAC weaker but we are probably in this situation because they would not be split up among the B1G & Big 12.

Him, I could see PAC schools wanting to join the B12 for more revenue with Nebraska wanting to leave the B1G and rejoin some of its old friends. I could see the SEC trying to secure Oklahoma by offering OU, OSU, Kansas and Nebraska as Texas will try to milk the next B12 deal to death—thinking partial membership in football like Notre Dame /ACC.

Also, if Nebraska left the B1G, the ACC schools are still under GOR until the 30’s. B1G might want to add a B12 school or an AAC school or a few PAC schools.
12-21-2017 05:50 PM
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