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RE: A Larger and More Organized P4
(12-22-2017 03:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 02:43 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 10:34 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Just gonna point out that thanks to being Rape U, no Texas politician will dare stick their neck out to be associated with Baylor now means that their inclusion in any P4 due to political pressure is probably a DOA idea

You're most likely correct about that.

I do think, however, that some TX politicians would stick their neck out for Houston especially if it becomes evident that Baylor is about to get relegated. I'm not sure anyone would take UH, but I think they'll try.

My scenario was more about the networks getting the most bang for their buck. Of course, it likely won't work that way in real life. All these new RSNs though should give ESPN enough extra revenue to bribe some leagues into possibly taking some schools they might not otherwise pull the trigger on.

This might be true. But, it might work conversely as well. It might make ESPN rethink who they want in the conferences. The SEC has a list of objectives. I'm sure the ACC has one as well, and the Big 10 has one that's been around almost as long as the SEC's.

The RSN's could be the final death of the market model's concept of 1 per state, which was ESPN's big excuse for a conference not to take a 2nd school from a state. The RSN's will require content specific to the region. Therefore ESPN's format may change to allow conferences to take those 2nd state school's that they had desired in the past for rivalries' sake.

With the RSN's Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State as a foursome now have more merit. What's more is put them in a division with Arkansas and Missouri and you have an every Saturday event for a not so primetime game. It also makes tremendous sense for minor sports and during baseball season.

Right you are JR. It's also the reason that we may see secondary movement some time in the future.
Regionalism will come into play more and more. Shorter travel for fans, bragging rights, common fan bases, cross marketing....things will change rapidly.
Imagine Louisville, Pitt and West Virginia in the B1G! Maryland and Rutgers moving to the ACC. It may not be reality, but it looks "right" on the map.
All of the old will be re-evaluated. Two leagues with multiple smaller conferences?
ESPN packaging product to sell to OTA networks? Bring back Verne, because it's just not the same without him?
Too much for this OF.
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RE: A Larger and More Organized P4
(12-22-2017 03:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 02:43 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 10:34 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Just gonna point out that thanks to being Rape U, no Texas politician will dare stick their neck out to be associated with Baylor now means that their inclusion in any P4 due to political pressure is probably a DOA idea

You're most likely correct about that.

I do think, however, that some TX politicians would stick their neck out for Houston especially if it becomes evident that Baylor is about to get relegated. I'm not sure anyone would take UH, but I think they'll try.

My scenario was more about the networks getting the most bang for their buck. Of course, it likely won't work that way in real life. All these new RSNs though should give ESPN enough extra revenue to bribe some leagues into possibly taking some schools they might not otherwise pull the trigger on.

This might be true. But, it might work conversely as well. It might make ESPN rethink who they want in the conferences. The SEC has a list of objectives. I'm sure the ACC has one as well, and the Big 10 has one that's been around almost as long as the SEC's.

The RSN's could be the final death of the market model's concept of 1 per state, which was ESPN's big excuse for a conference not to take a 2nd school from a state. The RSN's will require content specific to the region. Therefore ESPN's format may change to allow conferences to take those 2nd state school's that they had desired in the past for rivalries' sake.

With the RSN's Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State as a foursome now have more merit. What's more is put them in a division with Arkansas and Missouri and you have an every Saturday event for a not so primetime game. It also makes tremendous sense for minor sports and during baseball season.

I think you're right, regionalism will become more significant with the acquisition of these RSNs.

What exactly the specific moves will be, I don't know, although I still think the SEC is probably taking a few out of the Big 12 if I had to guess.

My thought on the overall expansion of the Power ranks comes down to this: if ESPN can expand the Power brand to more schools and more markets then they can create more content that is likely to be bought up by fans. It's essentially the same concept behind a league pooling their T3 rights to build a conference network. Alabama and Auburn fans, for example, will line up to buy a network like that just so they can get all those G5 and FCS games their respective team plays if nothing else. Fans from across whatever footprint we're talking about will pretty much do the same.

But what if the potential footprint is national? And what if instead of paying to see their team's G5 and FCS games that wouldn't otherwise be available, they're paying to see their team against lesser Power opponents? Games that would only be available on a local RSN because the significance is less and the national channels are locked up with the bigger games? I think that's why the 'out of market' package has potential. Whatever content you can relegate to an RSN without hurting your national channels is content you can sell through other means.
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RE: A Larger and More Organized P4
(12-22-2017 05:27 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 03:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 02:43 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 10:34 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Just gonna point out that thanks to being Rape U, no Texas politician will dare stick their neck out to be associated with Baylor now means that their inclusion in any P4 due to political pressure is probably a DOA idea

You're most likely correct about that.

I do think, however, that some TX politicians would stick their neck out for Houston especially if it becomes evident that Baylor is about to get relegated. I'm not sure anyone would take UH, but I think they'll try.

My scenario was more about the networks getting the most bang for their buck. Of course, it likely won't work that way in real life. All these new RSNs though should give ESPN enough extra revenue to bribe some leagues into possibly taking some schools they might not otherwise pull the trigger on.

This might be true. But, it might work conversely as well. It might make ESPN rethink who they want in the conferences. The SEC has a list of objectives. I'm sure the ACC has one as well, and the Big 10 has one that's been around almost as long as the SEC's.

The RSN's could be the final death of the market model's concept of 1 per state, which was ESPN's big excuse for a conference not to take a 2nd school from a state. The RSN's will require content specific to the region. Therefore ESPN's format may change to allow conferences to take those 2nd state school's that they had desired in the past for rivalries' sake.

With the RSN's Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State as a foursome now have more merit. What's more is put them in a division with Arkansas and Missouri and you have an every Saturday event for a not so primetime game. It also makes tremendous sense for minor sports and during baseball season.

I think you're right, regionalism will become more significant with the acquisition of these RSNs.

What exactly the specific moves will be, I don't know, although I still think the SEC is probably taking a few out of the Big 12 if I had to guess.

My thought on the overall expansion of the Power ranks comes down to this: if ESPN can expand the Power brand to more schools and more markets then they can create more content that is likely to be bought up by fans. It's essentially the same concept behind a league pooling their T3 rights to build a conference network. Alabama and Auburn fans, for example, will line up to buy a network like that just so they can get all those G5 and FCS games their respective team plays if nothing else. Fans from across whatever footprint we're talking about will pretty much do the same.

But what if the potential footprint is national? And what if instead of paying to see their team's G5 and FCS games that wouldn't otherwise be available, they're paying to see their team against lesser Power opponents? Games that would only be available on a local RSN because the significance is less and the national channels are locked up with the bigger games? I think that's why the 'out of market' package has potential. Whatever content you can relegate to an RSN without hurting your national channels is content you can sell through other means.

Actually when the deal was announced the first thing that popped into my mind was that perhaps FOX would get to lease better material for FS2, and material that actually put them into the Southeast on occasion.
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RE: A Larger and More Organized P4
(12-22-2017 09:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 05:27 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 03:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 02:43 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 10:34 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Just gonna point out that thanks to being Rape U, no Texas politician will dare stick their neck out to be associated with Baylor now means that their inclusion in any P4 due to political pressure is probably a DOA idea

You're most likely correct about that.

I do think, however, that some TX politicians would stick their neck out for Houston especially if it becomes evident that Baylor is about to get relegated. I'm not sure anyone would take UH, but I think they'll try.

My scenario was more about the networks getting the most bang for their buck. Of course, it likely won't work that way in real life. All these new RSNs though should give ESPN enough extra revenue to bribe some leagues into possibly taking some schools they might not otherwise pull the trigger on.

This might be true. But, it might work conversely as well. It might make ESPN rethink who they want in the conferences. The SEC has a list of objectives. I'm sure the ACC has one as well, and the Big 10 has one that's been around almost as long as the SEC's.

The RSN's could be the final death of the market model's concept of 1 per state, which was ESPN's big excuse for a conference not to take a 2nd school from a state. The RSN's will require content specific to the region. Therefore ESPN's format may change to allow conferences to take those 2nd state school's that they had desired in the past for rivalries' sake.

With the RSN's Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State as a foursome now have more merit. What's more is put them in a division with Arkansas and Missouri and you have an every Saturday event for a not so primetime game. It also makes tremendous sense for minor sports and during baseball season.

I think you're right, regionalism will become more significant with the acquisition of these RSNs.

What exactly the specific moves will be, I don't know, although I still think the SEC is probably taking a few out of the Big 12 if I had to guess.

My thought on the overall expansion of the Power ranks comes down to this: if ESPN can expand the Power brand to more schools and more markets then they can create more content that is likely to be bought up by fans. It's essentially the same concept behind a league pooling their T3 rights to build a conference network. Alabama and Auburn fans, for example, will line up to buy a network like that just so they can get all those G5 and FCS games their respective team plays if nothing else. Fans from across whatever footprint we're talking about will pretty much do the same.

But what if the potential footprint is national? And what if instead of paying to see their team's G5 and FCS games that wouldn't otherwise be available, they're paying to see their team against lesser Power opponents? Games that would only be available on a local RSN because the significance is less and the national channels are locked up with the bigger games? I think that's why the 'out of market' package has potential. Whatever content you can relegate to an RSN without hurting your national channels is content you can sell through other means.

Actually when the deal was announced the first thing that popped into my mind was that perhaps FOX would get to lease better material for FS2, and material that actually put them into the Southeast on occasion.

I could see that although I think it depends on how much ESPN stands to make from an 'out of market' package. They could perhaps partner with Fox on such a venture and get more games from the PAC 12 and B1G. Perhaps shifting some content to FS2 would be a part of the deal.

Of course, I'm assuming an out of market package is something they're interested in creating. Maybe they aren't. Makes sense to me, but I'm not an accountant so I don't know.
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I don't think that this will have much of an effect at all. The SEC, ACC, B1G & PAC all have their own networks for these types of games. ESPN could pick up T3 rights from conferences that it currently doesn't have any rights to on the cheap. The more conference rights they have the more inventory they will have to supply the RSN's. They may even be able to better utilize more of their T2 G5 games.


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RE: A Larger and More Organized P4
(12-27-2017 04:02 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  I don't think that this will have much of an effect at all. The SEC, ACC, B1G & PAC all have their own networks for these types of games. ESPN could pick up T3 rights from conferences that it currently doesn't have any rights to on the cheap. The more conference rights they have the more inventory they will have to supply the RSN's. They may even be able to better utilize more of their T2 G5 games.


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The Power leagues do have their own networks, but they don't have a way to distribute every game on a national stage regardless of the time slot. Especially once the Big 12 goes away then the leagues should grow enough that their T2 and T3 content will outgrow their respective networks.

Of course, ESPN could just deliver those games online in its current platform, but the problem is that they haven't found a good way to monetize that yet. This could be their opening. Put some games on the RSNs and sell an out of market package nationwide for games that fans couldn't otherwise see.
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