(12-14-2017 11:08 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Who are the least deserving guys in the HOF?

Mine are Don Sutton, Bill Mazeroski, Phil Niekro, and the aforementioned Jack Morris.


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Yeah, I'm a Dodgers fan but Sutton is another of those endurance guys that I don't think deserves it. Not sure about Niekro, though - he might be one where longevity and quality combine to make him hall-worthy. He had 4 seasons at or over 6 fWAR (8.6 in 1978!) and another 4 between 4 and 6. One guy I would add to the least deserving list: Catfish Hunter. His 10 best seasons: average WAR of less than 3.6.

(12-14-2017 06:49 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 04:07 PM)stever20 Wrote:  what I think is so funny is folks act like it's the biggest crime ever that Morris got elected. I think someone being half way objective can see why a voter would put him in the hall.

I'm not one of those guys, but fair point. Maybe being one of the best pitchers of a given era ought to be good enough. I get that some guys still think wins have individual value and think that longevity counts. That career stats might be good enough (I'll bet Sutton is one of those guys - that's how he got in). As I alluded to in another post, maybe there's a point where quality and longevity merge and a player has HOF credentials because, while not dominant, he had good enough quality play for such a long time that you have to let him in. Not sure I'd agree Morris was at that level but I'd listen to the argument.

I completely get WHY Morris got in - I just don't agree. And as I pointed out in an earlier post: He's definitely not the least deserving guy in the Hall.

Can you see the Morris-doesn't-belong argument? Can you be "half way objective" about it?

I can see the Morris doesn't belong arguement definitely. It's one of those where I think it's a pretty close call either way.... But there are some who with Morris want to make it seem like oh there goes the neighborhood with the HOF like it's an atrocity against all baseball kind. And that I find totally a joke.

(12-13-2017 11:46 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 11:41 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  You're SERIOUSLY holding sexual harassment, and EVEN WORS ME; his college against him?! We don't have to take anything you say seriously ever again!

Hey Moron, that part about the harassment and BYU was a joke. Sheesh, you buy them books and all they do is look at the pictures.


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How THE **** was I supposed to know that was a joke?!

"I figure everyone but you knew it, as you were the only one who commented the way you did on it.


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Or, much more likely, they didn't know WTF you were talking about either!