(12-19-2017 01:41 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  It's this the first time the Bissssson have had to wear their white jersey in a championship game? First time having to sit on the visitors side? First time they had to yield the better lot for tailgating. First time they will be punched in the neck on the field?

First time losing at home in the playoffs.

(12-19-2017 08:07 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 01:41 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  It's this the first time the Bissssson have had to wear their white jersey in a championship game? First time having to sit on the visitors side? First time they had to yield the better lot for tailgating. First time they will be punched in the neck on the field?

Yep, lots of "firsts" waiting for them in Frisco. First time in a long time they will encounter a fan base every bit as passionate and present in Frisco; first time they will have been beat back-to-back by the same team, and the first time they will have been beat in Frisco and go home as "first loser."

When the post-game reality starts to sink in (that NDSU has been relegated to no better than #2 in FCS), and that the MVC is an also-ran to the CAA champs is when the real fun begins.

JMU FCS NC Champs back-to-back in 2016 & 17 and number three in program history is just the beginning under MH.

Go Dukes!

Don't think will be as present. Think the stadium unfortunately will be about 60%-65% NDSU..

(12-19-2017 09:23 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 08:07 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 01:41 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  It's this the first time the Bissssson have had to wear their white jersey in a championship game? First time having to sit on the visitors side? First time they had to yield the better lot for tailgating. First time they will be punched in the neck on the field?

Yep, lots of "firsts" waiting for them in Frisco. First time in a long time they will encounter a fan base every bit as passionate and present in Frisco; first time they will have been beat back-to-back by the same team, and the first time they will have been beat in Frisco and go home as "first loser."

When the post-game reality starts to sink in (that NDSU has been relegated to no better than #2 in FCS), and that the MVC is an also-ran to the CAA champs is when the real fun begins.

JMU FCS NC Champs back-to-back in 2016 & 17 and number three in program history is just the beginning under MH.

Go Dukes!

Don't think will be as present. Think the stadium unfortunately will be about 60%-65% NDSU..

“Present” doesn’t equate to sheer numbers. Present as in “presence” means the good guys will hear our fans cheering for them. It means the viewers on TV will hear the JMU fans cheering and see them doing their thing in the stands.

Anyone who thinks speedbump is high, this is an epic matchup against 2 great programs with 2 great teams. Whoever executes better on January 6th will win period - and yes that execution includes and is heavily weighted on turnovers. JMU fans be ready for a long day - DO NOT LOSE FAITH - they WILL move the ball on the ground on our vaunted defense. So did SDSU. Rewatch the game, they did, but as many have noted we weren't trying to stop the run - our entire defense was set up to BEG THEM to pass to their vaunted WR/TE combination. The bottom line is when your corners can play 1 on 1 man to man on an island and WIN most of the time, that is an unbelievable defensive advantage. That is why they paid players like Deion Sanders, Champ Bailey and Darelle Revis millions, because shut-down corners are hard to come by and we happen to have 2 of them (along with 2 GREAT safeties). Will they get flagged for a couple of PIs a game? YES, will they give up a big play or 2 and possibly a touchdown? YES - will they DOMINATE OTHERWISE? YES - SAME AS THEY HAVE ALL YEAR LONG. We will have to load the box to stop the NDSU run, no doubt about it - which will leave Rashad, Jimmy and company on an island and you know what? That is exactly what we have been living off all year long. So it comes down to can they run against 8 in the box? If they can, then hats off to them but if not, it will be another JMU victory.

I think JMU is a great rivalry for NDSU. It never becomes this - if it is 1 sided. Keeping us 1/2 throughout the season - really works up to a nice showdown.

NDSU wins - they are the king of the mountain again and can claim that 2016 was an aberration.
JMU wins - riding a 2 year streak without an FCS loss and beat NDSU the last 2 times we have faced.

Either outcome, cries out for a rematch. The FCS would love to keep us on opposite sides of brackets in future, given a propensity for our fan bases to travel and fill Frisco.

NDSU - has reloaded and won through several recruiting classes. If JMU can do the same, the rivalry will intensify. Not sure we'll see a Home/Home, but it would be fun. Great team, great fans, great fun - I like trading punches with Bison.

yeah, if there is one thing we can all agree on - it's no more than one cupcake game per year... games with MVFC, Sky, and Southern would be great to get going (we have chatty next year?)... and of course, add in that other elite conference - southland (no no..only ONE cupcake..)

ok sounds like speed bump

(12-19-2017 10:15 PM)sekudog Wrote:  Anyone who thinks speedbump is high, this is an epic matchup against 2 great programs with 2 great teams. Whoever executes better on January 6th will win period - and yes that execution includes and is heavily weighted on turnovers. JMU fans be ready for a long day - DO NOT LOSE FAITH - they WILL move the ball on the ground on our vaunted defense.

I don't think so. And I think that is the key to the game, force Stick to pass under great pressure.

if you pressure Stick he will run for 100 yards on ya

fair point..he is a great runner...and looks bigger than 200? this is where that secondary comes in... oof gonna be a great game

(12-22-2017 02:07 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  fair point..he is a great runner...and looks bigger than 200? this is where that secondary comes in... oof gonna be a great game

Stick is listed @6'2" and around 2 and a quarter. Good size QB that can really hurt you with his legs. JMU has to stop the run. If not it could be a long day for that D. If the Bison win, it'll be on Stick's shoulders.

NDSU has to be close or ahead by the fourth quarter.

if they are 2 scores behind, they won't be coming back. as we saw last year, when Stick is in definite passing situations against our D, he can't get it done.

the 2nd half drive chart in the SDSU loss for the Bizon shows this as well. the score when Bizon obtained ball is in parantheses :

start of 2nd half
TD (14-17)
Fumble by Stick (which led to 14-24 SDSU)
Interception (14-24)
Punt (14-27)
TD (21-27) - 2 play 14 yard drive by Bizon after SDSU fumbled punt
Fumble (21-33)
Interception

as you can see, NDSU are frontrunners. Emphasis on run. when they play from behind, Stick won't get it done against top defenses

(12-22-2017 06:10 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  NDSU has to be close or ahead by the fourth quarter.

if they are 2 scores behind, they won't be coming back. as we saw last year, when Stick is in definite passing situations against our D, he can't get it done.

the 2nd half drive chart in the SDSU loss for the Bizon shows this as well. the score when Bizon obtained ball is in parantheses :

start of 2nd half
TD (14-17)
Fumble by Stick (which led to 14-24 SDSU)
Interception (14-24)
Punt (14-27)
TD (21-27) - 2 play 14 yard drive by Bizon after SDSU fumbled punt
Fumble (21-33)
Interception

as you can see, NDSU are frontrunners. Emphasis on run. when they play from behind, Stick won't get it done against top defenses

If we are forced to pass, it will be game over. Your defense is too good for an opposing offense to become one-dimensional. Your d-line gets good pressure and your secondary is second to none. That is a lethal combination.

(12-22-2017 08:31 AM)TransAmBison Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 06:10 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  NDSU has to be close or ahead by the fourth quarter.

if they are 2 scores behind, they won't be coming back. as we saw last year, when Stick is in definite passing situations against our D, he can't get it done.

the 2nd half drive chart in the SDSU loss for the Bizon shows this as well. the score when Bizon obtained ball is in parantheses :

start of 2nd half
TD (14-17)
Fumble by Stick (which led to 14-24 SDSU)
Interception (14-24)
Punt (14-27)
TD (21-27) - 2 play 14 yard drive by Bizon after SDSU fumbled punt
Fumble (21-33)
Interception

as you can see, NDSU are frontrunners. Emphasis on run. when they play from behind, Stick won't get it done against top defenses

If we are forced to pass, it will be game over. Your defense is too good for an opposing offense to become one-dimensional. Your d-line gets good pressure and your secondary is second to none. That is a lethal combination.

Yes, that is what we believe and what has been shown the last year and a half when the light bulb went off for our defense.

on the flip side, Schor has had a puzzling tendency to throw some very questionable balls that have resulted in turnovers this season. For as a cerebral of a player he is, it's been a mystery to us why that has happened this year. He would be the last QB I would have found myself saying "what the hell was he thinking or saw there?" He simply can't do that in this game.

(12-22-2017 09:06 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 08:31 AM)TransAmBison Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 06:10 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  NDSU has to be close or ahead by the fourth quarter.

if they are 2 scores behind, they won't be coming back. as we saw last year, when Stick is in definite passing situations against our D, he can't get it done.

the 2nd half drive chart in the SDSU loss for the Bizon shows this as well. the score when Bizon obtained ball is in parantheses :

start of 2nd half
TD (14-17)
Fumble by Stick (which led to 14-24 SDSU)
Interception (14-24)
Punt (14-27)
TD (21-27) - 2 play 14 yard drive by Bizon after SDSU fumbled punt
Fumble (21-33)
Interception

as you can see, NDSU are frontrunners. Emphasis on run. when they play from behind, Stick won't get it done against top defenses

If we are forced to pass, it will be game over. Your defense is too good for an opposing offense to become one-dimensional. Your d-line gets good pressure and your secondary is second to none. That is a lethal combination.

Yes, that is what we believe and what has been shown the last year and a half when the light bulb went off for our defense.

on the flip side, Schor has had a puzzling tendency to throw some very questionable balls that have resulted in turnovers this season. For as a cerebral of a player he is, it's been a mystery to us why that has happened this year. He would be the last QB I would have found myself saying "what the hell was he thinking or saw there?" He simply can't do that in this game.

That is what I was thinking at the start of the JMU/Weber game. That pick made no sense. I can't figure out what he was thinking. But then later in the game he makes some great passes. His ability to string a play along to give his receivers time can be really frustrating for a defense. I'm hoping we can get pressure while keeping him contained in the pocket (easier said than done).

(12-22-2017 09:18 AM)TransAmBison Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 09:06 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 08:31 AM)TransAmBison Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 06:10 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  NDSU has to be close or ahead by the fourth quarter.

if they are 2 scores behind, they won't be coming back. as we saw last year, when Stick is in definite passing situations against our D, he can't get it done.

the 2nd half drive chart in the SDSU loss for the Bizon shows this as well. the score when Bizon obtained ball is in parantheses :

start of 2nd half
TD (14-17)
Fumble by Stick (which led to 14-24 SDSU)
Interception (14-24)
Punt (14-27)
TD (21-27) - 2 play 14 yard drive by Bizon after SDSU fumbled punt
Fumble (21-33)
Interception

as you can see, NDSU are frontrunners. Emphasis on run. when they play from behind, Stick won't get it done against top defenses

If we are forced to pass, it will be game over. Your defense is too good for an opposing offense to become one-dimensional. Your d-line gets good pressure and your secondary is second to none. That is a lethal combination.

Yes, that is what we believe and what has been shown the last year and a half when the light bulb went off for our defense.

on the flip side, Schor has had a puzzling tendency to throw some very questionable balls that have resulted in turnovers this season. For as a cerebral of a player he is, it's been a mystery to us why that has happened this year. He would be the last QB I would have found myself saying "what the hell was he thinking or saw there?" He simply can't do that in this game.

That is what I was thinking at the start of the JMU/Weber game. That pick made no sense. I can't figure out what he was thinking. But then later in the game he makes some great passes. His ability to string a play along to give his receivers time can be really frustrating for a defense. I'm hoping we can get pressure while keeping him contained in the pocket (easier said than done).

i don't even think that one was too bad. The DB just made a great play. he read what we were doing quickly and jumped the route. props to him.

Schor has made much more head scratching throws than that one this year.

which is just so odd because he hardly did that at all in 2016.

In an air raid style offense, which JMU bases its passing game on, the QB and WR each read the play and respond according to what they see. I'm not so Schor that Bryan should own all of those questionable throws, but rather the receiver read differently and chose a different route option that BSchor.

(12-22-2017 09:24 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 09:18 AM)TransAmBison Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 09:06 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 08:31 AM)TransAmBison Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 06:10 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  NDSU has to be close or ahead by the fourth quarter.

if they are 2 scores behind, they won't be coming back. as we saw last year, when Stick is in definite passing situations against our D, he can't get it done.

the 2nd half drive chart in the SDSU loss for the Bizon shows this as well. the score when Bizon obtained ball is in parantheses :

start of 2nd half
TD (14-17)
Fumble by Stick (which led to 14-24 SDSU)
Interception (14-24)
Punt (14-27)
TD (21-27) - 2 play 14 yard drive by Bizon after SDSU fumbled punt
Fumble (21-33)
Interception

as you can see, NDSU are frontrunners. Emphasis on run. when they play from behind, Stick won't get it done against top defenses

If we are forced to pass, it will be game over. Your defense is too good for an opposing offense to become one-dimensional. Your d-line gets good pressure and your secondary is second to none. That is a lethal combination.

Yes, that is what we believe and what has been shown the last year and a half when the light bulb went off for our defense.

on the flip side, Schor has had a puzzling tendency to throw some very questionable balls that have resulted in turnovers this season. For as a cerebral of a player he is, it's been a mystery to us why that has happened this year. He would be the last QB I would have found myself saying "what the hell was he thinking or saw there?" He simply can't do that in this game.

That is what I was thinking at the start of the JMU/Weber game. That pick made no sense. I can't figure out what he was thinking. But then later in the game he makes some great passes. His ability to string a play along to give his receivers time can be really frustrating for a defense. I'm hoping we can get pressure while keeping him contained in the pocket (easier said than done).

i don't even think that one was too bad. The DB just made a great play. he read what we were doing quickly and jumped the route. props to him.

Schor has made much more head scratching throws than that one this year.

which is just so odd because he hardly did that at all in 2016.

I think 75% of his INTs can be explained by two things as to why they didn't happen last year: offensive line play and wide receivers. He's been on the run probably twice as much this season because the line hasn't been able to hold. Especially early in the season he tried to throw over the blitzing player, they batted it, and it got intercepted. So not having time I think is a big one (where last year's line gave him all the time in the world). The other is the WR's not being as amazing as last year. Schor even said as much in an interview or press conference recently (can't remember which one)...something to the tune of "last year I could just throw it close and they would get it". Now that Stapleton's healthy, I think he got some of that skill back, but I think a few times the WRs or Kloo have left him out to dry a bit (at least compared to last year).

All that is not to give Schor a free pass. He still needs to learn when to just throw it away instead, but I think last year he looked like an all world QB because of his surrounding players. I think he's at or near the top of FCS this year still, but I think that's where when it seems like he's regressed, it's more that his situation has changed a lot since last year.

(12-19-2017 09:01 AM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 08:55 AM)TheDuke Wrote:  I still cant figure out how anyone could think NDSU deserves to be ranked #1 or should be favored in this game. We are undefeated, conference champions, and just destroyed the only team that BEAT NDSU. Do they just feel so entitled to being #1 and favored in games that they think facts shouldnt matter anymore?

And they talk about the past 5 years like it should be factored in to why theyll win. Lets pretend for a minute that its not ridiculous to take past performance into consideration for this game - WE SMOKED THEM AT HOME LAST SEASON.

Bizzzzn fans need to be careful. The lack of respect is just going to give HCMH material for his pregame speech!

Yes, they do think that their past championships matter. Even though most of the players (including Wentz...one of the main reason they won in '14 and '15) have long since graduated. Just like them trash talking the Big Sky because of their past. If you think their talk about history and past championships is bad now, wait until January 7th when they've gone two years without winning a championship because of the Dukes.

Your coach reads Bisonville, nice.

Not so sure we smoked them last year.. that was just one of the best College ball games ever played. We controlled Q4 for sure...a "Q5" would have been a toss up!

More and more I am thinking this season has been one long rope a dope w a couple close calls... we turn it on and score at will... yet NDSU is preparing for a less effective schor, a weak OL, a less powerful run game, we barely throw to our TE, Kirkpatrick suddenly only has 10 plays in the book..... so its about beating our D only?

Nahh... Houston is a dag gone football genius i am starting to think... changing my prediction to 43 - 24