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I thought JT3 positively added to the broadcast. Not many broadcasters do that, IMO. His analysis wasn't the deepest or most technical, but it was simply on point more times than not. Simple can be better many times. He was definitely a lean to Louisville regarding who should win, but deservedly so. And it wasn't bias or obnoxious. He did compliment Memphis at times, which is better than many guys who just exaggerate based upon whichever team is leading.

He caught my attention when the play-by-play dude was giving his early recap of Louisville's problems. The other guy said something like "Things could not be worse for Louisville and for first year coach Padgett". JT3 said, "Let me correct you there. Things could be worse. Because Padgett has a lot of talent on this team. Things would be much worse if he didn't have the top 25ish talent that he has." Maybe it was more obvious than insightful, but it's not something you hear a lot of guys say in that way. It was actually the first thing he said that made me wonder who was calling the game.

(12-20-2017 04:21 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Crean sounds awesome. Until you look at facts...

In the post-Bobby Knight era:
Mike Davis went to the NCAA 4 out of 6 years.
Kelvin Sampson went 1 out of 1 years.
Crean went 4 out of 9 years.
Even if you want to throw out the first 3 years as rebuilding, Crean basically matched Mike Davis.

I consider IU a blueblood - in the tourney more years than not, multiple championships under multiple coaches, athletic focus is driven by hoops, etc.. Not top 5, but definitely top 10. Crean's average recruiting ranking at IU was 31. He cracked the top 10 twice in 9 years.

But here's the real kicker...During the Crean era, the state of Indiana produced 41 four- and five-star recruits. Crean signed a whopping total of 7 of them. Less than 1 per year average. At Indiana University. He NEVER signed the top ranked kid in-state, and more times than not he missed the top 5 kids in-state.

So do we want someone who has under-performed in the NCAA, and who does not do a good job recruiting?

Very fair points.

(12-20-2017 04:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 04:21 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Crean sounds awesome. Until you look at facts...

In the post-Bobby Knight era:
Mike Davis went to the NCAA 4 out of 6 years.
Kelvin Sampson went 1 out of 1 years.
Crean went 4 out of 9 years.
Even if you want to throw out the first 3 years as rebuilding, Crean basically matched Mike Davis.

I consider IU a blueblood - in the tourney more years than not, multiple championships under multiple coaches, athletic focus is driven by hoops, etc.. Not top 5, but definitely top 10. Crean's average recruiting ranking at IU was 31. He cracked the top 10 twice in 9 years.

But here's the real kicker...During the Crean era, the state of Indiana produced 41 four- and five-star recruits. Crean signed a whopping total of 7 of them. Less than 1 per year average. At Indiana University. He NEVER signed the top ranked kid in-state, and more times than not he missed the top 5 kids in-state.

So do we want someone who has under-performed in the NCAA, and who does not do a good job recruiting?

Very fair points.

Agree, interesting points.

But probably fair to note that Crean took over a team on probation with two walk-ons returning his 1st season - went 6-25, Indiana's worst season. Re-built in years 2 and 3, but still had losing records. Went to Sweet 16 in 3 of next 5 years. Also 5 NCAA tourneys and a Final Four at Marquette.

(12-20-2017 04:43 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 04:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 04:21 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Crean sounds awesome. Until you look at facts...

In the post-Bobby Knight era:
Mike Davis went to the NCAA 4 out of 6 years.
Kelvin Sampson went 1 out of 1 years.
Crean went 4 out of 9 years.
Even if you want to throw out the first 3 years as rebuilding, Crean basically matched Mike Davis.

I consider IU a blueblood - in the tourney more years than not, multiple championships under multiple coaches, athletic focus is driven by hoops, etc.. Not top 5, but definitely top 10. Crean's average recruiting ranking at IU was 31. He cracked the top 10 twice in 9 years.

But here's the real kicker...During the Crean era, the state of Indiana produced 41 four- and five-star recruits. Crean signed a whopping total of 7 of them. Less than 1 per year average. At Indiana University. He NEVER signed the top ranked kid in-state, and more times than not he missed the top 5 kids in-state.

So do we want someone who has under-performed in the NCAA, and who does not do a good job recruiting?

Very fair points.

Agree, interesting points.

But probably fair to note that Crean took over a team on probation with two walk-ons returning his 1st season - went 6-25, Indiana's worst season. Re-built in years 2 and 3, but still had losing records. Went to Sweet 16 in 3 of next 5 years. Also 5 NCAA tourneys and a Final Four at Marquette.

I got on board with his performance at Marquette. Rising star. Thought he would kill at Indy. He just did not. Peaked then declined last few years. In his last 4 recruiting classes the state put out 16 4's and 5's. He got ONE of them.

(12-20-2017 04:43 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 04:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 04:21 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Crean sounds awesome. Until you look at facts...

In the post-Bobby Knight era:
Mike Davis went to the NCAA 4 out of 6 years.
Kelvin Sampson went 1 out of 1 years.
Crean went 4 out of 9 years.
Even if you want to throw out the first 3 years as rebuilding, Crean basically matched Mike Davis.

I consider IU a blueblood - in the tourney more years than not, multiple championships under multiple coaches, athletic focus is driven by hoops, etc.. Not top 5, but definitely top 10. Crean's average recruiting ranking at IU was 31. He cracked the top 10 twice in 9 years.

But here's the real kicker...During the Crean era, the state of Indiana produced 41 four- and five-star recruits. Crean signed a whopping total of 7 of them. Less than 1 per year average. At Indiana University. He NEVER signed the top ranked kid in-state, and more times than not he missed the top 5 kids in-state.

So do we want someone who has under-performed in the NCAA, and who does not do a good job recruiting?

Very fair points.

Agree, interesting points.

But probably fair to note that Crean took over a team on probation with two walk-ons returning his 1st season - went 6-25, Indiana's worst season. Re-built in years 2 and 3, but still had losing records. Went to Sweet 16 in 3 of next 5 years. Also 5 NCAA tourneys and a Final Four at Marquette.

and beat a Calipari UK team with Indiana.
For that...UK now refuses to play Indiana, unless it is on a neutral court. LOL

He failed at Indiana because he had players running over other drunk players with cars, failing drug tests and cheating on tests with their favorite cheerleader. He really let them loose. Tried to get it under control by moving them back into the dorms. But it was over when Oladipo and Zeller couldn't get to the Final Four.
Don't see the knock on him recruiting wise. Signed several 5 star kids.

(12-20-2017 09:36 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  He failed at Indiana because he had players running over other drunk players with cars, failing drug tests and cheating on tests with their favorite cheerleader. He really let them loose. Tried to get it under control by moving them back into the dorms. But it was over when Oladipo and Zeller couldn't get to the Final Four.
Don't see the knock on him recruiting wise. Signed several 5 star kids.

Averaged a #31 rated class. At Indiana. With a lot of homegrown talent. Signed only 1 of the last 16 blue chips in-state.

He'd still be one of the top choices to take over if it was possible.

JTIII would be a good coach ror the Tigers

(12-20-2017 09:56 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 09:36 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  He failed at Indiana because he had players running over other drunk players with cars, failing drug tests and cheating on tests with their favorite cheerleader. He really let them loose. Tried to get it under control by moving them back into the dorms. But it was over when Oladipo and Zeller couldn't get to the Final Four.
Don't see the knock on him recruiting wise. Signed several 5 star kids.

Averaged a #31 rated class. At Indiana. With a lot of homegrown talent. Signed only 1 of the last 16 blue chips in-state.

Three four stars in 2009. Oladipo in 2010. Zeller in 2011. Yogi in 2012 with two more four stars. Vonleh in 2013 with three more four stars. Blackmon in 2014 with another four star. Thomas Bryant in 2015. Then two more four stars in 2016. 7 first round picks. Recruiting wasn't his problem. Keeping them was. Players left Indiana fast. Perea, Abel, Stan Robinson, and Emmitt Holt all made the tournament last year, while Indiana went to Georgia Tech and lost in the NIT. He fell out of favor. Interestingly enough, his lead recruiter for a while was Kenny Johnson, who just got fired at Louisville.

I will concede he didn't recruit Indiana well outside of Zeller, Blackmon and Ferrell. Let Thad Matta, Izzo and Calipari beat down the doors every year.

(12-21-2017 11:01 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  I will concede he didn't recruit Indiana well outside of Zeller, Blackmon and Ferrell. Let Thad Matta, Izzo and Calipari beat down the doors every year.

Just needed to have better hosts on visits.

(12-21-2017 11:14 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 11:01 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  I will concede he didn't recruit Indiana well outside of Zeller, Blackmon and Ferrell. Let Thad Matta, Izzo and Calipari beat down the doors every year.

Just needed to have better hosts on visits.

They had good times when they didn't live at the dorms.

(12-21-2017 11:33 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 11:14 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 11:01 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  I will concede he didn't recruit Indiana well outside of Zeller, Blackmon and Ferrell. Let Thad Matta, Izzo and Calipari beat down the doors every year.

Just needed to have better hosts on visits.

They had good times when they didn't live at the dorms.

Only so many katies to go around.

(12-20-2017 09:36 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  He failed at Indiana because he had players running over other drunk players with cars, failing drug tests and cheating on tests with their favorite cheerleader. He really let them loose. Tried to get it under control by moving them back into the dorms. But it was over when Oladipo and Zeller couldn't get to the Final Four.
Don't see the knock on him recruiting wise. Signed several 5 star kids.

Bring him in here! We win more when the players are getting in trouble than when they walk the straight & narrow

(12-21-2017 10:41 AM)memphisike Wrote:  JTIII would be a good coach ror the Tigers

Because he was so successful at Georgetown?

Sounds like a retread looking to pad his retirement account. Go young and hungry.

(12-21-2017 11:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 11:33 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 11:14 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 11:01 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  I will concede he didn't recruit Indiana well outside of Zeller, Blackmon and Ferrell. Let Thad Matta, Izzo and Calipari beat down the doors every year.

Just needed to have better hosts on visits.

They had good times when they didn't live at the dorms.

Only so many katies to go around.

Ah, Katie. Best ass in town.

(12-21-2017 11:48 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 09:36 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  He failed at Indiana because he had players running over other drunk players with cars, failing drug tests and cheating on tests with their favorite cheerleader. He really let them loose. Tried to get it under control by moving them back into the dorms. But it was over when Oladipo and Zeller couldn't get to the Final Four.
Don't see the knock on him recruiting wise. Signed several 5 star kids.

Bring him in here! We win more when the players are getting in trouble than when they walk the straight & narrow

That was a scary weekend, to be honest. Google Emmitt Holt Devin Davis. Didn't look like Davis was gonna make it at one point. Davis actually plays for Houston, now. Having a nice year. Averaging 12 points and 7 boards. I actually talked to good ole Pastner about taking Perea and Davis at one point. He liked Perea.

(12-21-2017 12:05 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 11:48 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 09:36 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  He failed at Indiana because he had players running over other drunk players with cars, failing drug tests and cheating on tests with their favorite cheerleader. He really let them loose. Tried to get it under control by moving them back into the dorms. But it was over when Oladipo and Zeller couldn't get to the Final Four.
Don't see the knock on him recruiting wise. Signed several 5 star kids.

Bring him in here! We win more when the players are getting in trouble than when they walk the straight & narrow

That was a scary weekend, to be honest. Google Emmitt Holt Devin Davis. Didn't look like Davis was gonna make it at one point. Davis actually plays for Houston, now. Having a nice year. Averaging 12 points and 7 boards. I actually talked to good ole "-------" about taking Perea and Davis at one point. He liked Perea.

FYP

(12-21-2017 12:11 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 12:05 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 11:48 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 09:36 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  He failed at Indiana because he had players running over other drunk players with cars, failing drug tests and cheating on tests with their favorite cheerleader. He really let them loose. Tried to get it under control by moving them back into the dorms. But it was over when Oladipo and Zeller couldn't get to the Final Four.
Don't see the knock on him recruiting wise. Signed several 5 star kids.

Bring him in here! We win more when the players are getting in trouble than when they walk the straight & narrow

That was a scary weekend, to be honest. Google Emmitt Holt Devin Davis. Didn't look like Davis was gonna make it at one point. Davis actually plays for Houston, now. Having a nice year. Averaging 12 points and 7 boards. I actually talked to good ole "-------" about taking Perea and Davis at one point. He liked Perea.

FYP

Uh oh, better change my IP address.