(12-19-2017 06:56 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 05:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:44 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:00 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 08:09 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Our SOS has not been anywhere near this low in the past 10 years. You are trying to make a smart ass remark in an attempt to defend Orlando but your post is completely without substance.

Tigers SOS
2017-18 206th
2016-17 129th
2015-16 103rd
2014-15 55th
2013-14 41st
2012-13 73rd
2011-12 20th
2010-11 46th
2009-10 85th
2008-09 49th

You really should actually do research before pulling stuff out of your anal region to post.

I don't need research to know our schedule has been crap, even yours shows that - especially the OOC schedule which is what can be controlled. You do realize that JP is responsible for 2015-16, most of the 2016-17 & some of the current schedule, right? Schedules just don't get done in the off-season prior to the next season. The question remains, why just complain this season?

YOU made a statement that's bolded in red above. This years OOC is not just a little worse it's multiple times worse.

Stop deflecting and trying to ricochet the discussion in a different direction to cover yourself. Damn, just admit when you're wrong and move on.

Don't fall for nascar's numbers. Misleading. And wrong.

The tickets sold numbers are wrong?

Link?

Yet again, jumping into a thread with a comment not related to the posts quoted. We're not talking attendance here, we're talking SOS. And the numbers are wrong, if you want to consider actual metrics like KenPom and Sagarin - rather than the simplistic and increasingly negated RPI. Definitely misleading because you're comparing the current OOC-only SOS with other full year's SOS.

(12-20-2017 05:02 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 06:56 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 05:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:44 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:00 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  I don't need research to know our schedule has been crap, even yours shows that - especially the OOC schedule which is what can be controlled. You do realize that JP is responsible for 2015-16, most of the 2016-17 & some of the current schedule, right? Schedules just don't get done in the off-season prior to the next season. The question remains, why just complain this season?

YOU made a statement that's bolded in red above. This years OOC is not just a little worse it's multiple times worse.

Stop deflecting and trying to ricochet the discussion in a different direction to cover yourself. Damn, just admit when you're wrong and move on.

Don't fall for nascar's numbers. Misleading. And wrong.

The tickets sold numbers are wrong?

Link?

Yet again, jumping into a thread with a comment not related to the posts quoted. We're not talking attendance here, we're talking SOS. And the numbers are wrong, if you want to consider actual metrics like KenPom and Sagarin - rather than the simplistic and increasingly negated RPI. Definitely misleading because you're comparing the current OOC-only SOS with other full year's SOS.

Nascar had a post with attendance numbers and you triumphantly announced that you were somehow right about Pastner trashing attendance while Tubby's levels are half of what Pastner's were.

As far as OOC SOS goes it is 263 this year, 240 last year. You can cough...cough..."triumphantly" state that it isn't much much worse and that RPI isn't the end all, and make bizarre statements about being a winner, but the fact remains...it isn't good and you aren't.

Confused...as usual

*yawn*

(12-21-2017 01:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 05:02 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 06:56 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 05:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:44 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  YOU made a statement that's bolded in red above. This years OOC is not just a little worse it's multiple times worse.

Stop deflecting and trying to ricochet the discussion in a different direction to cover yourself. Damn, just admit when you're wrong and move on.

Don't fall for nascar's numbers. Misleading. And wrong.

The tickets sold numbers are wrong?

Link?

Yet again, jumping into a thread with a comment not related to the posts quoted. We're not talking attendance here, we're talking SOS. And the numbers are wrong, if you want to consider actual metrics like KenPom and Sagarin - rather than the simplistic and increasingly negated RPI. Definitely misleading because you're comparing the current OOC-only SOS with other full year's SOS.

Nascar had a post with attendance numbers and you triumphantly announced that you were somehow right about Pastner trashing attendance while Tubby's levels are half of what Pastner's were.

As far as OOC SOS goes it is 263 this year, 240 last year. You can cough...cough..."triumphantly" state that it isn't much much worse and that RPI isn't the end all, and make bizarre statements about being a winner, but the fact remains...it isn't good and you aren't.

I'm Confused...as usual

*yawn* I better go to bed

FIFY

You really are confused. This post had nothing to do with attendance and everything to do with SOS.

KenPom SOS:
2015 - 119
2016 - 110
2017 - 101
2018 - ?

Sagarin SOS:
2015 - 111
2016 - 105
2017 - 93
2018 - ?

Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet? It's comparing hockey to racecars. Chances are pretty good that this year's SOS will be better than last year, which was better than Pastner's last 2 years. So you can act like Tubby has taken this SOS to a new low all you want. But you've buried your head in the Canadian snow if you think it's actually true.

And if you want to use the RPI as end-all-be-all, go right ahead. Most of us preferring a deeper-dive will sit back and snicker.

*snicker*

(12-17-2017 03:11 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

Quote:I was pleased with the way they kind of handled the whole atmosphere," Smith said, "because I think Louisville is the type of team we’re going to run into in postseason play.”

I figure he means either the NIT or the NCAA post season.

Of course, he may have meant the CIT or CBI. The AAC Tourney is guaranteed.

Ok, thanks

(12-21-2017 06:13 PM)fourseamer Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 03:11 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

Quote:I was pleased with the way they kind of handled the whole atmosphere," Smith said, "because I think Louisville is the type of team we’re going to run into in postseason play.”

I figure he means either the NIT or the NCAA post season.

Of course, he may have meant the CIT or CBI. The AAC Tourney is guaranteed.

Ok, thanks

You are welcome.

(12-21-2017 10:17 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 01:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 05:02 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 06:56 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 05:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Don't fall for nascar's numbers. Misleading. And wrong.

The tickets sold numbers are wrong?

Link?

Yet again, jumping into a thread with a comment not related to the posts quoted. We're not talking attendance here, we're talking SOS. And the numbers are wrong, if you want to consider actual metrics like KenPom and Sagarin - rather than the simplistic and increasingly negated RPI. Definitely misleading because you're comparing the current OOC-only SOS with other full year's SOS.

Nascar had a post with attendance numbers and you triumphantly announced that you were somehow right about Pastner trashing attendance while Tubby's levels are half of what Pastner's were.

As far as OOC SOS goes it is 263 this year, 240 last year. You can cough...cough..."triumphantly" state that it isn't much much worse and that RPI isn't the end all, and make bizarre statements about being a winner, but the fact remains...it isn't good and you aren't.

I'm Confused...as usual

*yawn* I better go to bed

FIFY

You really are confused. This post had nothing to do with attendance and everything to do with SOS.

KenPom SOS:
2015 - 119
2016 - 110
2017 - 101
2018 - ?

Sagarin SOS:
2015 - 111
2016 - 105
2017 - 93
2018 - ?

Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet? It's comparing hockey to racecars. Chances are pretty good that this year's SOS will be better than last year, which was better than Pastner's last 2 years. So you can act like Tubby has taken this SOS to a new low all you want. But you've buried your head in the Canadian snow if you think it's actually true.

And if you want to use the RPI as end-all-be-all, go right ahead. Most of us preferring a deeper-dive will sit back and snicker.

*snicker*

Quote:Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet?

Mr...cough...cough..."deeper dive" apparently isn't able to compare last year's OOC SOS to this year's OOC SOS. What was our OOC SOS last year?

(12-22-2017 02:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 10:17 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 01:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 05:02 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 06:56 PM)Stammers Wrote:  The tickets sold numbers are wrong?

Link?

Yet again, jumping into a thread with a comment not related to the posts quoted. We're not talking attendance here, we're talking SOS. And the numbers are wrong, if you want to consider actual metrics like KenPom and Sagarin - rather than the simplistic and increasingly negated RPI. Definitely misleading because you're comparing the current OOC-only SOS with other full year's SOS.

Nascar had a post with attendance numbers and you triumphantly announced that you were somehow right about Pastner trashing attendance while Tubby's levels are half of what Pastner's were.

As far as OOC SOS goes it is 263 this year, 240 last year. You can cough...cough..."triumphantly" state that it isn't much much worse and that RPI isn't the end all, and make bizarre statements about being a winner, but the fact remains...it isn't good and you aren't.

I'm Confused...as usual

*yawn* I better go to bed

FIFY

You really are confused. This post had nothing to do with attendance and everything to do with SOS.

KenPom SOS:
2015 - 119
2016 - 110
2017 - 101
2018 - ?

Sagarin SOS:
2015 - 111
2016 - 105
2017 - 93
2018 - ?

Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet? It's comparing hockey to racecars. Chances are pretty good that this year's SOS will be better than last year, which was better than Pastner's last 2 years. So you can act like Tubby has taken this SOS to a new low all you want. But you've buried your head in the Canadian snow if you think it's actually true.

And if you want to use the RPI as end-all-be-all, go right ahead. Most of us preferring a deeper-dive will sit back and snicker.

*snicker*

Quote:Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet?

Mr...cough...cough..."deeper dive" apparently isn't able to compare last year's OOC SOS to this year's OOC SOS. What was our OOC SOS last year?

Is that what the committee uses? Just the ooc sos?

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(12-22-2017 05:09 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 02:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 10:17 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 01:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 05:02 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yet again, jumping into a thread with a comment not related to the posts quoted. We're not talking attendance here, we're talking SOS. And the numbers are wrong, if you want to consider actual metrics like KenPom and Sagarin - rather than the simplistic and increasingly negated RPI. Definitely misleading because you're comparing the current OOC-only SOS with other full year's SOS.

Nascar had a post with attendance numbers and you triumphantly announced that you were somehow right about Pastner trashing attendance while Tubby's levels are half of what Pastner's were.

As far as OOC SOS goes it is 263 this year, 240 last year. You can cough...cough..."triumphantly" state that it isn't much much worse and that RPI isn't the end all, and make bizarre statements about being a winner, but the fact remains...it isn't good and you aren't.

I'm Confused...as usual

*yawn* I better go to bed

FIFY

You really are confused. This post had nothing to do with attendance and everything to do with SOS.

KenPom SOS:
2015 - 119
2016 - 110
2017 - 101
2018 - ?

Sagarin SOS:
2015 - 111
2016 - 105
2017 - 93
2018 - ?

Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet? It's comparing hockey to racecars. Chances are pretty good that this year's SOS will be better than last year, which was better than Pastner's last 2 years. So you can act like Tubby has taken this SOS to a new low all you want. But you've buried your head in the Canadian snow if you think it's actually true.

And if you want to use the RPI as end-all-be-all, go right ahead. Most of us preferring a deeper-dive will sit back and snicker.

*snicker*

Quote:Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet?

Mr...cough...cough..."deeper dive" apparently isn't able to compare last year's OOC SOS to this year's OOC SOS. What was our OOC SOS last year?

Is that what the committee uses? Just the ooc sos?

Sent from my LG-H811 using CSNbbs mobile app

I don't know, but I do know OOC is all that you can control. You have no choice in the matter with conference foes.

(12-22-2017 05:09 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 02:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 10:17 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 01:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 05:02 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yet again, jumping into a thread with a comment not related to the posts quoted. We're not talking attendance here, we're talking SOS. And the numbers are wrong, if you want to consider actual metrics like KenPom and Sagarin - rather than the simplistic and increasingly negated RPI. Definitely misleading because you're comparing the current OOC-only SOS with other full year's SOS.

Nascar had a post with attendance numbers and you triumphantly announced that you were somehow right about Pastner trashing attendance while Tubby's levels are half of what Pastner's were.

As far as OOC SOS goes it is 263 this year, 240 last year. You can cough...cough..."triumphantly" state that it isn't much much worse and that RPI isn't the end all, and make bizarre statements about being a winner, but the fact remains...it isn't good and you aren't.

I'm Confused...as usual

*yawn* I better go to bed

FIFY

You really are confused. This post had nothing to do with attendance and everything to do with SOS.

KenPom SOS:
2015 - 119
2016 - 110
2017 - 101
2018 - ?

Sagarin SOS:
2015 - 111
2016 - 105
2017 - 93
2018 - ?

Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet? It's comparing hockey to racecars. Chances are pretty good that this year's SOS will be better than last year, which was better than Pastner's last 2 years. So you can act like Tubby has taken this SOS to a new low all you want. But you've buried your head in the Canadian snow if you think it's actually true.

And if you want to use the RPI as end-all-be-all, go right ahead. Most of us preferring a deeper-dive will sit back and snicker.

*snicker*

Quote:Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet?

Mr...cough...cough..."deeper dive" apparently isn't able to compare last year's OOC SOS to this year's OOC SOS. What was our OOC SOS last year?

Is that what the committee uses? Just the ooc sos?

Sent from my LG-H811 using CSNbbs mobile app

Your question doesn't have anything to do with anything, but I will respond to you and confused guy anyway.

Quote:We're not talking attendance here, we're talking SOS. And the numbers are wrong, if you want to consider actual metrics like KenPom and Sagarin - rather than the simplistic and increasingly negated RPI. Definitely misleading because you're comparing the current OOC-only SOS with other full year's SOS.

He decided apparently that the NCAA selection committee doesn't use RPI as much; which is news to anyone who follows that stuff. Also, he was commenting about OOC SOS versus the SOS for the whole schedule without actually posting anything showing how both OOC schedules compare.

OOC SOS certainly is relevant in Tubby's 2nd year. We have actually lucked out by having a bunch of our opponents' key players missing games against us.

Would Tubby accept an CIT or CBI bid (assuming we are eligible)?

It would allow him to fulfill his promise and he can use the rationale that a game(s) and practices would help develop his inexperienced team.

(12-22-2017 05:31 PM)SpiderMan79x Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 05:09 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 02:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 10:17 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 01:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Nascar had a post with attendance numbers and you triumphantly announced that you were somehow right about Pastner trashing attendance while Tubby's levels are half of what Pastner's were.

As far as OOC SOS goes it is 263 this year, 240 last year. You can cough...cough..."triumphantly" state that it isn't much much worse and that RPI isn't the end all, and make bizarre statements about being a winner, but the fact remains...it isn't good and you aren't.

I'm Confused...as usual

*yawn* I better go to bed

FIFY

You really are confused. This post had nothing to do with attendance and everything to do with SOS.

KenPom SOS:
2015 - 119
2016 - 110
2017 - 101
2018 - ?

Sagarin SOS:
2015 - 111
2016 - 105
2017 - 93
2018 - ?

Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet? It's comparing hockey to racecars. Chances are pretty good that this year's SOS will be better than last year, which was better than Pastner's last 2 years. So you can act like Tubby has taken this SOS to a new low all you want. But you've buried your head in the Canadian snow if you think it's actually true.

And if you want to use the RPI as end-all-be-all, go right ahead. Most of us preferring a deeper-dive will sit back and snicker.

*snicker*

Quote:Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet?

Mr...cough...cough..."deeper dive" apparently isn't able to compare last year's OOC SOS to this year's OOC SOS. What was our OOC SOS last year?

Is that what the committee uses? Just the ooc sos?

Sent from my LG-H811 using CSNbbs mobile app

I don't know, but I do know OOC is all that you can control. You have no choice in the matter with conference foes.

But that is usually set up like 4 years in advance.

Sent from my LG-H811 using CSNbbs mobile app

(12-23-2017 12:24 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 05:09 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 02:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 10:17 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 01:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Nascar had a post with attendance numbers and you triumphantly announced that you were somehow right about Pastner trashing attendance while Tubby's levels are half of what Pastner's were.

As far as OOC SOS goes it is 263 this year, 240 last year. You can cough...cough..."triumphantly" state that it isn't much much worse and that RPI isn't the end all, and make bizarre statements about being a winner, but the fact remains...it isn't good and you aren't.

I'm Confused...as usual

*yawn* I better go to bed

FIFY

You really are confused. This post had nothing to do with attendance and everything to do with SOS.

KenPom SOS:
2015 - 119
2016 - 110
2017 - 101
2018 - ?

Sagarin SOS:
2015 - 111
2016 - 105
2017 - 93
2018 - ?

Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet? It's comparing hockey to racecars. Chances are pretty good that this year's SOS will be better than last year, which was better than Pastner's last 2 years. So you can act like Tubby has taken this SOS to a new low all you want. But you've buried your head in the Canadian snow if you think it's actually true.

And if you want to use the RPI as end-all-be-all, go right ahead. Most of us preferring a deeper-dive will sit back and snicker.

*snicker*

Quote:Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet?

Mr...cough...cough..."deeper dive" apparently isn't able to compare last year's OOC SOS to this year's OOC SOS. What was our OOC SOS last year?

Is that what the committee uses? Just the ooc sos?

Sent from my LG-H811 using CSNbbs mobile app

Your question doesn't have anything to do with anything, but I will respond to you and confused guy anyway.

Quote:We're not talking attendance here, we're talking SOS. And the numbers are wrong, if you want to consider actual metrics like KenPom and Sagarin - rather than the simplistic and increasingly negated RPI. Definitely misleading because you're comparing the current OOC-only SOS with other full year's SOS.

He decided apparently that the NCAA selection committee doesn't use RPI as much; which is news to anyone who follows that stuff. Also, he was commenting about OOC SOS versus the SOS for the whole schedule without actually posting anything showing how both OOC schedules compare.

OOC SOS certainly is relevant in Tubby's 2nd year. We have actually lucked out by having a bunch of our opponents' key players missing games against us.

Actually, he just said you should just compare total rpi and we don't have that yet. Some years your conference schedule is stronger so you don't need a great ooc schedule. He was also correct in his other point but you already know that. At the end of the season, it is likely that our rpi will continue the season trend he pointed out. Finally, why so snarky? We are trying to be the "kinder, gentler" board now.

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(12-23-2017 10:19 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 05:31 PM)SpiderMan79x Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 05:09 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 02:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 10:17 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  FIFY

You really are confused. This post had nothing to do with attendance and everything to do with SOS.

KenPom SOS:
2015 - 119
2016 - 110
2017 - 101
2018 - ?

Sagarin SOS:
2015 - 111
2016 - 105
2017 - 93
2018 - ?

Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet? It's comparing hockey to racecars. Chances are pretty good that this year's SOS will be better than last year, which was better than Pastner's last 2 years. So you can act like Tubby has taken this SOS to a new low all you want. But you've buried your head in the Canadian snow if you think it's actually true.

And if you want to use the RPI as end-all-be-all, go right ahead. Most of us preferring a deeper-dive will sit back and snicker.

*snicker*

Quote:Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet?

Mr...cough...cough..."deeper dive" apparently isn't able to compare last year's OOC SOS to this year's OOC SOS. What was our OOC SOS last year?

Is that what the committee uses? Just the ooc sos?

Sent from my LG-H811 using CSNbbs mobile app

I don't know, but I do know OOC is all that you can control. You have no choice in the matter with conference foes.

But that is usually set up like 4 years in advance.

Sent from my LG-H811 using CSNbbs mobile app

While with home and homes or big name teams or tournaments then that can be correct. Teams like Albany, Samford and Bryant are not set years in advance. Even the series with LSU was just signed back in April or May 2017.

The current coach has almost complete control over the teams on the OOC schedule on a year to year basis.

(12-23-2017 12:24 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 05:09 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 02:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 10:17 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 01:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Nascar had a post with attendance numbers and you triumphantly announced that you were somehow right about Pastner trashing attendance while Tubby's levels are half of what Pastner's were.

As far as OOC SOS goes it is 263 this year, 240 last year. You can cough...cough..."triumphantly" state that it isn't much much worse and that RPI isn't the end all, and make bizarre statements about being a winner, but the fact remains...it isn't good and you aren't.

I'm Confused...as usual

*yawn* I better go to bed

FIFY

You really are confused. This post had nothing to do with attendance and everything to do with SOS.

KenPom SOS:
2015 - 119
2016 - 110
2017 - 101
2018 - ?

Sagarin SOS:
2015 - 111
2016 - 105
2017 - 93
2018 - ?

Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet? It's comparing hockey to racecars. Chances are pretty good that this year's SOS will be better than last year, which was better than Pastner's last 2 years. So you can act like Tubby has taken this SOS to a new low all you want. But you've buried your head in the Canadian snow if you think it's actually true.

And if you want to use the RPI as end-all-be-all, go right ahead. Most of us preferring a deeper-dive will sit back and snicker.

*snicker*

Quote:Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet?

Mr...cough...cough..."deeper dive" apparently isn't able to compare last year's OOC SOS to this year's OOC SOS. What was our OOC SOS last year?

Is that what the committee uses? Just the ooc sos?

Sent from my LG-H811 using CSNbbs mobile app

Your question doesn't have anything to do with anything, but I will respond to you and confused guy anyway.

Quote:We're not talking attendance here, we're talking SOS. And the numbers are wrong, if you want to consider actual metrics like KenPom and Sagarin - rather than the simplistic and increasingly negated RPI. Definitely misleading because you're comparing the current OOC-only SOS with other full year's SOS.

He decided apparently that the NCAA selection committee doesn't use RPI as much; which is news to anyone who follows that stuff. Also, he was commenting about OOC SOS versus the SOS for the whole schedule without actually posting anything showing how both OOC schedules compare.

OOC SOS certainly is relevant in Tubby's 2nd year. We have actually lucked out by having a bunch of our opponents' key players missing games against us.

Here's a column that may help you get up to speed. Maybe then you can join a grownup discussion on the topic.

NCAA moving away from outdated, simplistic RPI

(12-22-2017 02:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 10:17 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 01:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 05:02 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 06:56 PM)Stammers Wrote:  The tickets sold numbers are wrong?

Link?

Yet again, jumping into a thread with a comment not related to the posts quoted. We're not talking attendance here, we're talking SOS. And the numbers are wrong, if you want to consider actual metrics like KenPom and Sagarin - rather than the simplistic and increasingly negated RPI. Definitely misleading because you're comparing the current OOC-only SOS with other full year's SOS.

Nascar had a post with attendance numbers and you triumphantly announced that you were somehow right about Pastner trashing attendance while Tubby's levels are half of what Pastner's were.

As far as OOC SOS goes it is 263 this year, 240 last year. You can cough...cough..."triumphantly" state that it isn't much much worse and that RPI isn't the end all, and make bizarre statements about being a winner, but the fact remains...it isn't good and you aren't.

I'm Confused...as usual

*yawn* I better go to bed

FIFY

You really are confused. This post had nothing to do with attendance and everything to do with SOS.

KenPom SOS:
2015 - 119
2016 - 110
2017 - 101
2018 - ?

Sagarin SOS:
2015 - 111
2016 - 105
2017 - 93
2018 - ?

Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet? It's comparing hockey to racecars. Chances are pretty good that this year's SOS will be better than last year, which was better than Pastner's last 2 years. So you can act like Tubby has taken this SOS to a new low all you want. But you've buried your head in the Canadian snow if you think it's actually true.

And if you want to use the RPI as end-all-be-all, go right ahead. Most of us preferring a deeper-dive will sit back and snicker.

*snicker*

Quote:Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet?

Mr...cough...cough..."deeper dive" apparently isn't able to compare last year's OOC SOS to this year's OOC SOS. What was our OOC SOS last year?

According to Sagarin and Kenpom, our OOC SOS this year is currently projected as slightly tougher than last year. Even more important, they both project total SOS as tougher as well.

The numbers where in another thread on the topic. Since you tend to get threads confused anyway, just go there and find it.

(12-24-2017 10:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 02:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 10:17 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 01:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 05:02 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yet again, jumping into a thread with a comment not related to the posts quoted. We're not talking attendance here, we're talking SOS. And the numbers are wrong, if you want to consider actual metrics like KenPom and Sagarin - rather than the simplistic and increasingly negated RPI. Definitely misleading because you're comparing the current OOC-only SOS with other full year's SOS.

Nascar had a post with attendance numbers and you triumphantly announced that you were somehow right about Pastner trashing attendance while Tubby's levels are half of what Pastner's were.

As far as OOC SOS goes it is 263 this year, 240 last year. You can cough...cough..."triumphantly" state that it isn't much much worse and that RPI isn't the end all, and make bizarre statements about being a winner, but the fact remains...it isn't good and you aren't.

I'm Confused...as usual

*yawn* I better go to bed

FIFY

You really are confused. This post had nothing to do with attendance and everything to do with SOS.

KenPom SOS:
2015 - 119
2016 - 110
2017 - 101
2018 - ?

Sagarin SOS:
2015 - 111
2016 - 105
2017 - 93
2018 - ?

Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet? It's comparing hockey to racecars. Chances are pretty good that this year's SOS will be better than last year, which was better than Pastner's last 2 years. So you can act like Tubby has taken this SOS to a new low all you want. But you've buried your head in the Canadian snow if you think it's actually true.

And if you want to use the RPI as end-all-be-all, go right ahead. Most of us preferring a deeper-dive will sit back and snicker.

*snicker*

Quote:Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet?

Mr...cough...cough..."deeper dive" apparently isn't able to compare last year's OOC SOS to this year's OOC SOS. What was our OOC SOS last year?

According to Sagarin and Kenpom, our OOC SOS this year is currently projected as slightly tougher than last year. Even more important, they both project total SOS as tougher as well.

The numbers where in another thread on the topic. Since you tend to get threads confused anyway, just go there and find it.

What is our OOC SOS this year compared to last year? Simple question.

(12-24-2017 10:10 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:24 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 05:09 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 02:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 10:17 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  FIFY

You really are confused. This post had nothing to do with attendance and everything to do with SOS.

KenPom SOS:
2015 - 119
2016 - 110
2017 - 101
2018 - ?

Sagarin SOS:
2015 - 111
2016 - 105
2017 - 93
2018 - ?

Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet? It's comparing hockey to racecars. Chances are pretty good that this year's SOS will be better than last year, which was better than Pastner's last 2 years. So you can act like Tubby has taken this SOS to a new low all you want. But you've buried your head in the Canadian snow if you think it's actually true.

And if you want to use the RPI as end-all-be-all, go right ahead. Most of us preferring a deeper-dive will sit back and snicker.

*snicker*

Quote:Do you not understand that you can't compare this year's SOS to previous year totals yet?

Mr...cough...cough..."deeper dive" apparently isn't able to compare last year's OOC SOS to this year's OOC SOS. What was our OOC SOS last year?

Is that what the committee uses? Just the ooc sos?

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Your question doesn't have anything to do with anything, but I will respond to you and confused guy anyway.

Quote:We're not talking attendance here, we're talking SOS. And the numbers are wrong, if you want to consider actual metrics like KenPom and Sagarin - rather than the simplistic and increasingly negated RPI. Definitely misleading because you're comparing the current OOC-only SOS with other full year's SOS.

He decided apparently that the NCAA selection committee doesn't use RPI as much; which is news to anyone who follows that stuff. Also, he was commenting about OOC SOS versus the SOS for the whole schedule without actually posting anything showing how both OOC schedules compare.

OOC SOS certainly is relevant in Tubby's 2nd year. We have actually lucked out by having a bunch of our opponents' key players missing games against us.

Here's a column that may help you get up to speed. Maybe then you can join a grownup discussion on the topic.

NCAA moving away from outdated, simplistic RPI

Great article. What happened? Were teams picked and seeded more based more on RPI, Sagarin or Pomeroy?

(12-25-2017 01:30 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 10:10 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:24 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 05:09 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 02:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Mr...cough...cough..."deeper dive" apparently isn't able to compare last year's OOC SOS to this year's OOC SOS. What was our OOC SOS last year?

Is that what the committee uses? Just the ooc sos?

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Your question doesn't have anything to do with anything, but I will respond to you and confused guy anyway.

Quote:We're not talking attendance here, we're talking SOS. And the numbers are wrong, if you want to consider actual metrics like KenPom and Sagarin - rather than the simplistic and increasingly negated RPI. Definitely misleading because you're comparing the current OOC-only SOS with other full year's SOS.

He decided apparently that the NCAA selection committee doesn't use RPI as much; which is news to anyone who follows that stuff. Also, he was commenting about OOC SOS versus the SOS for the whole schedule without actually posting anything showing how both OOC schedules compare.

OOC SOS certainly is relevant in Tubby's 2nd year. We have actually lucked out by having a bunch of our opponents' key players missing games against us.

Here's a column that may help you get up to speed. Maybe then you can join a grownup discussion on the topic.

NCAA moving away from outdated, simplistic RPI

Great article. What happened? Were teams picked and seeded more based more on RPI, Sagarin or Pomeroy?

You're impossible. Merry Christmas!

(12-25-2017 01:01 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 01:30 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 10:10 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:24 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 05:09 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  Is that what the committee uses? Just the ooc sos?

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Your question doesn't have anything to do with anything, but I will respond to you and confused guy anyway.

Quote:We're not talking attendance here, we're talking SOS. And the numbers are wrong, if you want to consider actual metrics like KenPom and Sagarin - rather than the simplistic and increasingly negated RPI. Definitely misleading because you're comparing the current OOC-only SOS with other full year's SOS.

He decided apparently that the NCAA selection committee doesn't use RPI as much; which is news to anyone who follows that stuff. Also, he was commenting about OOC SOS versus the SOS for the whole schedule without actually posting anything showing how both OOC schedules compare.

OOC SOS certainly is relevant in Tubby's 2nd year. We have actually lucked out by having a bunch of our opponents' key players missing games against us.

Here's a column that may help you get up to speed. Maybe then you can join a grownup discussion on the topic.

NCAA moving away from outdated, simplistic RPI

Great article. What happened? Were teams picked and seeded more based more on RPI, Sagarin or Pomeroy?

You're impossible. Merry Christmas!

The article was from February 2017, BEFORE the teams were chosen and seeded. What ended up happening? Were teams picked and seeded with more weight attached to RPI, Sagarin, Pomeroy?

(12-23-2017 10:40 AM)SpiderMan79x Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:19 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 05:31 PM)SpiderMan79x Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 05:09 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 02:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Mr...cough...cough..."deeper dive" apparently isn't able to compare last year's OOC SOS to this year's OOC SOS. What was our OOC SOS last year?

Is that what the committee uses? Just the ooc sos?

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I don't know, but I do know OOC is all that you can control. You have no choice in the matter with conference foes.

But that is usually set up like 4 years in advance.

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While with home and homes or big name teams or tournaments then that can be correct. Teams like Albany, Samford and Bryant are not set years in advance. Even the series with LSU was just signed back in April or May 2017.

The current coach has almost complete control over the teams on the OOC schedule on a year to year basis.

I would be interested to know when all the ooc was set.

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