(12-18-2017 11:02 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:44 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  To sign 1 player at Memphis rated over 300 screams he’s done after this year. You have to not try in order to do that. He’s a really good floor coach and developmental coach who ignores the other parts of his job.

I hope he’s right and we shock the world and make the tournament this year. That’s a sad commentary on where Tubby has brought this once proud program.

I think we were already there before Tubby got here. Where have you been the last 4 years?

Yes, we were trending down but there was still some real talent on the team. Can't really even say that anymore.

I still think Tubby is a really good coach but he needed to surround himself with a staff that could feed him top 50 - 100 players.

Being a really good coach is a big advantage when the talent level is equal. It can make the difference. When the other team has superior talent coaching can't make up the difference most of the time. Yes there will be occasional upsets BUT I'd rather be the team that's occasionally getting upset than hanging our hat on 1-2 upsets wins a year.

The past two coaches remind me of the old golf joke punchline:

"If he put the ball where he can hit it; he can't see it and if he puts it where he can see it; he can't hit it.

We need coaching AND recruiting. Paz and Tubby are making the Memphis job way harder than it has to be.

I’ll agree that a new, hyped coach could sign some talent. I still think he’ll sign Tyler Harris. I may be the only one that thinks so. I also thought Lomax would sign, so I’m 0-1.

The local kids see what’s going on. They don’t even remember the good years, they were around 8-9 year olds when Cal left. They see poor attendance, negativity surrounding the program, transfers, etc. If you don’t think they read social media (this board, for example), listen to losers like Parrish, you’re wrong. I’m not going to blame it on the fans, but Tyler Harris’ Cordova coach seems to. If fans don’t like the product, they are rightfully not going to spend their money and time going to games.

Winning brings fans. Good players bring wins. Circular logic. A coaching change may be required. We all know that Memphis doesn’t have deep pockets. I’d be surprised if they’d buy Tubby out after this year unless we just really suck. I think he’ll see at least three years here. We’re a few kids from fielding a pretty good team, one that would at least bring in some fans. Hopefully, Tubby will sign Harris and another good player.

(12-18-2017 11:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:44 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  To sign 1 player at Memphis rated over 300 screams he’s done after this year. You have to not try in order to do that. He’s a really good floor coach and developmental coach who ignores the other parts of his job.

I hope he’s right and we shock the world and make the tournament this year. That’s a sad commentary on where Tubby has brought this once proud program.

I think we were already there before Tubby got here. Where have you been the last 4 years?

2014
NCAA Tournament
1 NCAA tournament win
Ranked most of the season
30 RPI
14 SOS
16,121 Attendance

2018
160 RPI
237 SOS
5,437 Attendance

You are obviously as confused as ever. What an embarrassment.

I’ll respond only once to you. Then back on ignore.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.commerc.../552772001

This thing has been a sinking ship for years. Attendance drop was the top reason Pastner was asked to leave. Ok, back on ignore for you.

"Perpetual optimism is a force multiplier"... Colin Powell

He made the above observation in the face of overwhelming media negativity despite USA's total domination in the Iraq war.

(12-17-2017 08:09 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 05:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 05:26 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 03:11 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

Quote:I was pleased with the way they kind of handled the whole atmosphere," Smith said, "because I think Louisville is the type of team we’re going to run into in postseason play.”

I figure he means either the NIT or the NCAA post season.

Of course, he may have meant the CIT or CBI. The AAC Tourney is guaranteed.

With our SOS, unless we win AAC tournament, 24 wins would barely get us on the bubble.

Why is the schedule just a problem for you THIS season when the OOC schedule has been weak for 5+ yrs?

Our SOS has not been anywhere near this low in the past 10 years. You are trying to make a smart ass remark in an attempt to defend Orlando but your post is completely without substance.

Tigers SOS
2017-18 206th
2016-17 129th
2015-16 103rd
2014-15 55th
2013-14 41st
2012-13 73rd
2011-12 20th
2010-11 46th
2009-10 85th
2008-09 49th

You really should actually do research before pulling stuff out of your anal region to post.

Misleading, Nascar guy. Just wish the people on both sides would present honest data, not pick and choose data that fits their narrative, and then not give a link.

Biggest issue is this year's is year-to-date, while preceeding years are full year strengths of schedule. A lot of no-name teams from weak conferences who do buy games will have their SOS drop as they get into their weaker conference games. Memphis' SOS will rise.

2nd, I guess you use CBS sports ranking. Which is 206. But RPI is the SOS method the NCAA tourney uses. It is literally two rows over from the 206 you noted, and it is 160. https://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb...his-tigers

Easiest link to use is this teamrankings.com. This link takes you right to college hoops: https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...-by-other. It has Memphis at 164: 164 Memphis (7-3), still not great, but 42 spots higher than your 206, and closer to the CBS Sports RPI number.

Also had the Memphis SOS as 89th last year - 89 Memphis (19-13) - so 40 spots higher than the 129 you posted. Point is that there are different ways to measure SOS.

(12-18-2017 11:16 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 11:02 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:44 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  To sign 1 player at Memphis rated over 300 screams he’s done after this year. You have to not try in order to do that. He’s a really good floor coach and developmental coach who ignores the other parts of his job.

I hope he’s right and we shock the world and make the tournament this year. That’s a sad commentary on where Tubby has brought this once proud program.

I think we were already there before Tubby got here. Where have you been the last 4 years?

Yes, we were trending down but there was still some real talent on the team. Can't really even say that anymore.

I still think Tubby is a really good coach but he needed to surround himself with a staff that could feed him top 50 - 100 players.

Being a really good coach is a big advantage when the talent level is equal. It can make the difference. When the other team has superior talent coaching can't make up the difference most of the time. Yes there will be occasional upsets BUT I'd rather be the team that's occasionally getting upset than hanging our hat on 1-2 upsets wins a year.

The past two coaches remind me of the old golf joke punchline:

"If he put the ball where he can hit it; he can't see it and if he puts it where he can see it; he can't hit it.

We need coaching AND recruiting. Paz and Tubby are making the Memphis job way harder than it has to be.

I’ll agree that a new, hyped coach could sign some talent. I still think he’ll sign Tyler Harris. I may be the only one that thinks so. I also thought Lomax would sign, so I’m 0-1.

The local kids see what’s going on. They don’t even remember the good years, they were around 8-9 year olds when Cal left. They see poor attendance, negativity surrounding the program, transfers, etc. If you don’t think they read social media (this board, for example), listen to losers like Parrish, you’re wrong. I’m not going to blame it on the fans, but Tyler Harris’ Cordova coach seems to. If fans don’t like the product, they are rightfully not going to spend their money and time going to games.

Winning brings fans. Good players bring wins. Circular logic. A coaching change may be required. We all know that Memphis doesn’t have deep pockets. I’d be surprised if they’d buy Tubby out after this year unless we just really suck. I think he’ll see at least three years here. We’re a few kids from fielding a pretty good team, one that would at least bring in some fans. Hopefully, Tubby will sign Harris and another good player.

Where to start?

Quote:The local kids see what’s going on. They don’t even remember the good years, they were around 8-9 year olds when Cal left.

The local kids sure do remember 2010 through 2014 when we were in the tournament and we were selling over 16,000 tickets to games, so this makes absolutely no sense. Tyler Harris and Lomax and their families are lifelong Tiger fans.

Quote:They see poor attendance, negativity surrounding the program, transfers, etc. If you don’t think they read social media (this board, for example), listen to losers like Parrish, you’re wrong.

IF they aren't complete morons they associate all of that with Tubby. Attendance is at an all time low in the history of the program and even in Pastner's last season, we had 3X the number of tickets sold and actual attendance than we do now. Even in the Tic Price, Johnny Jones seasons we averaged double what we do now.

Quote:We’re a few kids from fielding a pretty good team, one that would at least bring in some fans.

We are 3 players away from fielding a pretty good team. Dedric Lawson, KJ Lawson and Markel Crawford. Unless Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy come through, Tubby isn't going to be pulling in "a few" of these recruits.

Quote:I’d be surprised if they’d buy Tubby out after this year

I would be surprised if they don't. They can pay his buyout over 6 years and make a good hire at $1.5 million. It is a complete no brainer.

(12-18-2017 11:20 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 11:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:44 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  To sign 1 player at Memphis rated over 300 screams he’s done after this year. You have to not try in order to do that. He’s a really good floor coach and developmental coach who ignores the other parts of his job.

I hope he’s right and we shock the world and make the tournament this year. That’s a sad commentary on where Tubby has brought this once proud program.

I think we were already there before Tubby got here. Where have you been the last 4 years?

2014
NCAA Tournament
1 NCAA tournament win
Ranked most of the season
30 RPI
14 SOS
16,121 Attendance

2018
160 RPI
237 SOS
5,437 Attendance

You are obviously as confused as ever. What an embarrassment.

I’ll respond only once to you. Then back on ignore.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.commerc.../552772001

This thing has been a sinking ship for years. Attendance drop was the top reason Pastner was asked to leave. Ok, back on ignore for you.

Pastner asked to leave with 12,000 + tickets sold; Tubby NOT asked to leave with less than 5,000 tickets sold. The program under Pastner seen as a sinking ship, the program under Tubby NOT seen as torched.

You are really outdoing yourself today, you must have had a crazy weekend.

Pastner was bad...Tubby is worse. Both will not change their staff to overcome their weaknesses. Lack of self awareness

Everybody agrees that we need a new topic. What else is there to discuss? Recruits?
Blah. Schedule? Blah. Coaching staff? Blah. Memphis Tigers BBall....is blah

Glad someone is still willing to discuss Tiger BBall. Glad some are still willing to attend games. I'd rather.......do anything else right now. For those still struggling thru being a Tiger fan, they need a place to talk about it. Where do u go to talk out Tiger BBall? It's hard and currently exhausting to care about something you cannot control. Leave the guy alone. Just b/c he isn't saying what you want to hear-that's no reason to b!t@# and moan for him/her to stop posting. The guy/gal is clearly a fan. He's clearly emotionally invested. Just don't respond if you're beyond the topic.


Go Tigers Go!! Yearning for the days when we're all pumped about Tiger BBall again. For now Go Tigers!! Beat the Cyclones!

(12-18-2017 11:52 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 08:09 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 05:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 05:26 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 03:11 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I figure he means either the NIT or the NCAA post season.

Of course, he may have meant the CIT or CBI. The AAC Tourney is guaranteed.

With our SOS, unless we win AAC tournament, 24 wins would barely get us on the bubble.

Why is the schedule just a problem for you THIS season when the OOC schedule has been weak for 5+ yrs?

Our SOS has not been anywhere near this low in the past 10 years. You are trying to make a smart ass remark in an attempt to defend Orlando but your post is completely without substance.

Tigers SOS
2017-18 206th
2016-17 129th
2015-16 103rd
2014-15 55th
2013-14 41st
2012-13 73rd
2011-12 20th
2010-11 46th
2009-10 85th
2008-09 49th

You really should actually do research before pulling stuff out of your anal region to post.

Misleading, Nascar guy. Just wish the people on both sides would present honest data, not pick and choose data that fits their narrative, and then not give a link.

Biggest issue is this year's is year-to-date, while preceeding years are full year strengths of schedule. A lot of no-name teams from weak conferences who do buy games will have their SOS drop as they get into their weaker conference games. Memphis' SOS will rise.

2nd, I guess you use CBS sports ranking. Which is 206. But RPI is the SOS method the NCAA tourney uses. It is literally two rows over from the 206 you noted, and it is 160. https://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb...his-tigers

Easiest link to use is this teamrankings.com. This link takes you right to college hoops: https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...-by-other. It has Memphis at 164: 164 Memphis (7-3), still not great, but 42 spots higher than your 206, and closer to the CBS Sports RPI number.

Also had the Memphis SOS as 89th last year - 89 Memphis (19-13) - so 40 spots higher than the 129 you posted. Point is that there are different ways to measure SOS.

RPI is the standard and it is a know formula...Not sure how it could be different unless some incorporate the tourney.

Most use live-rpi.com or rpiforecast.com to pull their RPI numbers and we are forecasted to have around a 100 SOS

Tubby is clueless.

(12-18-2017 11:20 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 11:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:44 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  To sign 1 player at Memphis rated over 300 screams he’s done after this year. You have to not try in order to do that. He’s a really good floor coach and developmental coach who ignores the other parts of his job.

I hope he’s right and we shock the world and make the tournament this year. That’s a sad commentary on where Tubby has brought this once proud program.

I think we were already there before Tubby got here. Where have you been the last 4 years?

2014
NCAA Tournament
1 NCAA tournament win
Ranked most of the season
30 RPI
14 SOS
16,121 Attendance

2018
160 RPI
237 SOS
5,437 Attendance

You are obviously as confused as ever. What an embarrassment.

I’ll respond only once to you. Then back on ignore.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.commerc.../552772001

This thing has been a sinking ship for years. Attendance drop was the top reason Pastner was asked to leave. Ok, back on ignore for you.

Put yourself back on ignore and stay there. Attendance just return to the pre final four years of Cal average. Pastner was asked to leave because a handful of people expect him to maintain the same level as the final four years of Cal. Something NO TIGER COACH IN HISTORY HAS DONE. He was actually performing BETTER than Cal except for Cal's last four years.

Fed Ex Forum
2017
Tigers 9,623
Grizzlies 16,519+

2016
Tigers 12,028
Grizzlies 16,697+

2015
Tigers 13,915
Grizzlies 17,329+

2014
Tigers 16,121
Grizzlies 16,718+

2013
Tigers 16,336
Grizzlies 16,624+

2012
Tigers 16,234+
Grizzlies 15,704

2011
Tigers 16,768+
Grizlies 14,650

2010
Tigers 16,498+
Grizzlies 13,485

2009
Tigers 16,933+
Grizzlies 12,745

2008
Tigers 16,748+
Grizzlies 12,770

2007
Tigers 14,527
Grizzlies 14,654+

2006
Tigers 14,866
Grizzlies 15,793+

2005
Tigers 9,586
Grizzlies 16,862+

2004
Tigers 15,432+
Grizzlies 15,188

Pyramid

2003
Tigers 16,643+
Grizzlies 14,910

2002
Tigers 16,225+
Grizzlies 14,415

2001
Tigers 17,110+
Grizzlies 13,737


Average
Tigers 15,373 (15,816)
Grizzlies 15,223 (16,354)

(12-18-2017 05:03 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 11:20 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 11:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:44 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  To sign 1 player at Memphis rated over 300 screams he’s done after this year. You have to not try in order to do that. He’s a really good floor coach and developmental coach who ignores the other parts of his job.

I hope he’s right and we shock the world and make the tournament this year. That’s a sad commentary on where Tubby has brought this once proud program.

I think we were already there before Tubby got here. Where have you been the last 4 years?

2014
NCAA Tournament
1 NCAA tournament win
Ranked most of the season
30 RPI
14 SOS
16,121 Attendance

2018
160 RPI
237 SOS
5,437 Attendance

You are obviously as confused as ever. What an embarrassment.

I’ll respond only once to you. Then back on ignore.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.commerc.../552772001

This thing has been a sinking ship for years. Attendance drop was the top reason Pastner was asked to leave. Ok, back on ignore for you.

Put yourself back on ignore and stay there. Attendance just return to the pre final four years of Cal average. Pastner was asked to leave because a handful of people expect him to maintain the same level as the final four years of Cal. Something NO TIGER COACH IN HISTORY HAS DONE. He was actually performing BETTER than Cal except for Cal's last four years.

Fed Ex Forum
2017
Tigers 9,623
Grizzlies 16,519+

2016
Tigers 12,028
Grizzlies 16,697+

2015
Tigers 13,915
Grizzlies 17,329+

2014
Tigers 16,121
Grizzlies 16,718+

2013
Tigers 16,336
Grizzlies 16,624+

2012
Tigers 16,234+
Grizzlies 15,704

2011
Tigers 16,768+
Grizlies 14,650

2010
Tigers 16,498+
Grizzlies 13,485

2009
Tigers 16,933+
Grizzlies 12,745

2008
Tigers 16,748+
Grizzlies 12,770

2007
Tigers 14,527
Grizzlies 14,654+

2006
Tigers 14,866
Grizzlies 15,793+

2005
Tigers 9,586
Grizzlies 16,862+

2004
Tigers 15,432+
Grizzlies 15,188

Pyramid

2003
Tigers 16,643+
Grizzlies 14,910

2002
Tigers 16,225+
Grizzlies 14,415

2001
Tigers 17,110+
Grizzlies 13,737


Average
Tigers 15,373 (15,816)
Grizzlies 15,223 (16,354)

Ok, I’ll respond. I know you are just dying for someone to argue with.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.commerc.../552772001

Obviously, reading comprehension is not a strong suit for you. Those official numbers you posted are garbage, if you’d like I can post another article that talks about it. Although this one speaks on the subject also.

Here is a quote for you, “During Pastner's final year, the Tigers needed a late-season push to exceed the 6,000-fan threshold. Alnutt confirmed Wednesday that Memphis had a slight increase in actual attendance this past season.“ Allnut is an assistant AD at Memphis.

So genius, I’m not sure what more I can do for you here. Actual attendance actually improved last year. Pastner got fired because attendance was in the shitter. Man, I could find articles on this too. But obviously the quality of play is why attendance sunk.

(12-18-2017 06:00 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 05:03 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 11:20 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 11:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I think we were already there before Tubby got here. Where have you been the last 4 years?

2014
NCAA Tournament
1 NCAA tournament win
Ranked most of the season
30 RPI
14 SOS
16,121 Attendance

2018
160 RPI
237 SOS
5,437 Attendance

You are obviously as confused as ever. What an embarrassment.

I’ll respond only once to you. Then back on ignore.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.commerc.../552772001

This thing has been a sinking ship for years. Attendance drop was the top reason Pastner was asked to leave. Ok, back on ignore for you.

Put yourself back on ignore and stay there. Attendance just return to the pre final four years of Cal average. Pastner was asked to leave because a handful of people expect him to maintain the same level as the final four years of Cal. Something NO TIGER COACH IN HISTORY HAS DONE. He was actually performing BETTER than Cal except for Cal's last four years.

Fed Ex Forum
2017
Tigers 9,623
Grizzlies 16,519+

2016
Tigers 12,028
Grizzlies 16,697+

2015
Tigers 13,915
Grizzlies 17,329+

2014
Tigers 16,121
Grizzlies 16,718+

2013
Tigers 16,336
Grizzlies 16,624+

2012
Tigers 16,234+
Grizzlies 15,704

2011
Tigers 16,768+
Grizlies 14,650

2010
Tigers 16,498+
Grizzlies 13,485

2009
Tigers 16,933+
Grizzlies 12,745

2008
Tigers 16,748+
Grizzlies 12,770

2007
Tigers 14,527
Grizzlies 14,654+

2006
Tigers 14,866
Grizzlies 15,793+

2005
Tigers 9,586
Grizzlies 16,862+

2004
Tigers 15,432+
Grizzlies 15,188

Pyramid

2003
Tigers 16,643+
Grizzlies 14,910

2002
Tigers 16,225+
Grizzlies 14,415

2001
Tigers 17,110+
Grizzlies 13,737


Average
Tigers 15,373 (15,816)
Grizzlies 15,223 (16,354)

Ok, I’ll respond. I know you are just dying for someone to argue with.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.commerc.../552772001

Obviously, reading comprehension is not a strong suit for you. Those official numbers you posted are garbage, if you’d like I can post another article that talks about it. Although this one speaks on the subject also.

Here is a quote for you, “During Pastner's final year, the Tigers needed a late-season push to exceed the 6,000-fan threshold. Alnutt confirmed Wednesday that Memphis had a slight increase in actual attendance this past season.“ Allnut is an assistant AD at Memphis.

So genius, I’m not sure what more I can do for you here. Actual attendance actually improved last year. Pastner got fired because attendance was in the shitter. Man, I could find articles on this too. But obviously the quality of play is why attendance sunk.

You weren't even close to believing Pastner was better than Cal except for those last four years? He had me almost there, boy.

(12-18-2017 10:44 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:00 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 08:09 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 05:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 05:26 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  With our SOS, unless we win AAC tournament, 24 wins would barely get us on the bubble.

Why is the schedule just a problem for you THIS season when the OOC schedule has been weak for 5+ yrs?

Our SOS has not been anywhere near this low in the past 10 years. You are trying to make a smart ass remark in an attempt to defend Orlando but your post is completely without substance.

Tigers SOS
2017-18 206th
2016-17 129th
2015-16 103rd
2014-15 55th
2013-14 41st
2012-13 73rd
2011-12 20th
2010-11 46th
2009-10 85th
2008-09 49th

You really should actually do research before pulling stuff out of your anal region to post.

I don't need research to know our schedule has been crap, even yours shows that - especially the OOC schedule which is what can be controlled. You do realize that JP is responsible for 2015-16, most of the 2016-17 & some of the current schedule, right? Schedules just don't get done in the off-season prior to the next season. The question remains, why just complain this season?

YOU made a statement that's bolded in red above. This years OOC is not just a little worse it's multiple times worse.

Stop deflecting and trying to ricochet the discussion in a different direction to cover yourself. Damn, just admit when you're wrong and move on.

Don't fall for nascar's numbers. Misleading. And wrong.

(12-18-2017 11:52 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 08:09 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 05:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 05:26 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 03:11 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I figure he means either the NIT or the NCAA post season.

Of course, he may have meant the CIT or CBI. The AAC Tourney is guaranteed.

With our SOS, unless we win AAC tournament, 24 wins would barely get us on the bubble.

Why is the schedule just a problem for you THIS season when the OOC schedule has been weak for 5+ yrs?

Our SOS has not been anywhere near this low in the past 10 years. You are trying to make a smart ass remark in an attempt to defend Orlando but your post is completely without substance.

Tigers SOS
2017-18 206th
2016-17 129th
2015-16 103rd
2014-15 55th
2013-14 41st
2012-13 73rd
2011-12 20th
2010-11 46th
2009-10 85th
2008-09 49th

You really should actually do research before pulling stuff out of your anal region to post.

Misleading, Nascar guy. Just wish the people on both sides would present honest data, not pick and choose data that fits their narrative, and then not give a link.

Biggest issue is this year's is year-to-date, while preceeding years are full year strengths of schedule. A lot of no-name teams from weak conferences who do buy games will have their SOS drop as they get into their weaker conference games. Memphis' SOS will rise.

2nd, I guess you use CBS sports ranking. Which is 206. But RPI is the SOS method the NCAA tourney uses. It is literally two rows over from the 206 you noted, and it is 160. https://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb...his-tigers

Easiest link to use is this teamrankings.com. This link takes you right to college hoops: https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...-by-other. It has Memphis at 164: 164 Memphis (7-3), still not great, but 42 spots higher than your 206, and closer to the CBS Sports RPI number.

Also had the Memphis SOS as 89th last year - 89 Memphis (19-13) - so 40 spots higher than the 129 you posted. Point is that there are different ways to measure SOS.

You're right. People jumping all over the "206" and comparing to other year-end SOS rankings are not even trying to understand. Just looking for something to complain about. Our OOC SOS is projected to be stronger this year than it was last year, and last year was stronger than Pastner's final two years. With Wichita added to conference, there is a good chance our Conf SOS will also be stronger.

I will add one more thing. The NCAA committee now also uses KenPom and Sagarin in their evaluation. I tend to believe that they will continue to rely upon them more and more because they are much more sophisticated than RPI.

Sagarin has our SOS last year at 93. That is better than all but 2 years during the Pastner era. KenPom is similar.

(12-19-2017 05:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:44 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:00 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 08:09 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 05:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Why is the schedule just a problem for you THIS season when the OOC schedule has been weak for 5+ yrs?

Our SOS has not been anywhere near this low in the past 10 years. You are trying to make a smart ass remark in an attempt to defend Orlando but your post is completely without substance.

Tigers SOS
2017-18 206th
2016-17 129th
2015-16 103rd
2014-15 55th
2013-14 41st
2012-13 73rd
2011-12 20th
2010-11 46th
2009-10 85th
2008-09 49th

You really should actually do research before pulling stuff out of your anal region to post.

I don't need research to know our schedule has been crap, even yours shows that - especially the OOC schedule which is what can be controlled. You do realize that JP is responsible for 2015-16, most of the 2016-17 & some of the current schedule, right? Schedules just don't get done in the off-season prior to the next season. The question remains, why just complain this season?

YOU made a statement that's bolded in red above. This years OOC is not just a little worse it's multiple times worse.

Stop deflecting and trying to ricochet the discussion in a different direction to cover yourself. Damn, just admit when you're wrong and move on.

Don't fall for nascar's numbers. Misleading. And wrong.

The tickets sold numbers are wrong?

Link?

(12-18-2017 06:00 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 05:03 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 11:20 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 11:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I think we were already there before Tubby got here. Where have you been the last 4 years?

2014
NCAA Tournament
1 NCAA tournament win
Ranked most of the season
30 RPI
14 SOS
16,121 Attendance

2018
160 RPI
237 SOS
5,437 Attendance

You are obviously as confused as ever. What an embarrassment.

I’ll respond only once to you. Then back on ignore.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.commerc.../552772001

This thing has been a sinking ship for years. Attendance drop was the top reason Pastner was asked to leave. Ok, back on ignore for you.

Put yourself back on ignore and stay there. Attendance just return to the pre final four years of Cal average. Pastner was asked to leave because a handful of people expect him to maintain the same level as the final four years of Cal. Something NO TIGER COACH IN HISTORY HAS DONE. He was actually performing BETTER than Cal except for Cal's last four years.

Fed Ex Forum
2017
Tigers 9,623
Grizzlies 16,519+

2016
Tigers 12,028
Grizzlies 16,697+

2015
Tigers 13,915
Grizzlies 17,329+

2014
Tigers 16,121
Grizzlies 16,718+

2013
Tigers 16,336
Grizzlies 16,624+

2012
Tigers 16,234+
Grizzlies 15,704

2011
Tigers 16,768+
Grizlies 14,650

2010
Tigers 16,498+
Grizzlies 13,485

2009
Tigers 16,933+
Grizzlies 12,745

2008
Tigers 16,748+
Grizzlies 12,770

2007
Tigers 14,527
Grizzlies 14,654+

2006
Tigers 14,866
Grizzlies 15,793+

2005
Tigers 9,586
Grizzlies 16,862+

2004
Tigers 15,432+
Grizzlies 15,188

Pyramid

2003
Tigers 16,643+
Grizzlies 14,910

2002
Tigers 16,225+
Grizzlies 14,415

2001
Tigers 17,110+
Grizzlies 13,737


Average
Tigers 15,373 (15,816)
Grizzlies 15,223 (16,354)

Ok, I’ll respond. I know you are just dying for someone to argue with.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.commerc.../552772001

Obviously, reading comprehension is not a strong suit for you. Those official numbers you posted are garbage, if you’d like I can post another article that talks about it. Although this one speaks on the subject also.

Here is a quote for you, “During Pastner's final year, the Tigers needed a late-season push to exceed the 6,000-fan threshold. Alnutt confirmed Wednesday that Memphis had a slight increase in actual attendance this past season.“ Allnut is an assistant AD at Memphis.

So genius, I’m not sure what more I can do for you here. Actual attendance actually improved last year. Pastner got fired because attendance was in the shitter. Man, I could find articles on this too. But obviously the quality of play is why attendance sunk.

What is actual attendance this year?

Link?

(12-18-2017 10:44 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  To sign 1 player at Memphis rated over 300 screams he’s done after this year. You have to not try in order to do that. He’s a really good floor coach and developmental coach who ignores the other parts of his job.

I hope he’s right and we shock the world and make the tournament this year. That’s a sad commentary on where Tubby has brought this once proud program.

Where do you get that tubby develops players? Players get worse the longer they play for tubby, not better.

I lived through this crap for 10 years while he was at UK. Players did not get fundamentally better under his watch. Players got older and more mature as they would have anywhere. But they gained no appreciable basketball skill that they did not have when they got to UK.

Everywhere tubby goes his first year is his best year. He's a likable guy and seems to be a down to earth sort on the surface. The players from the previous regime relate to him for a while. It goes downhill from there.

I see comments about tubby saying Memphis would play fast and be high scoring. I don't if he promised you guys that but that was the annual tubby lie at UK.

He will never play a fast paced game because that requires allowing the players to take control and get out and play. He is far too much of a micromanager to ever allow that to happen.

As far as "game manager"? I know he has that reputation of being good. But why? No one that says that has ever been able to point to something that makes them say that. Is it the rhythm killing substitutions that makes him a game manager? He made bone headed calls late in games all the time while at UK. Has he gotten better?

Memphis bought a pig in a poke. The sooner you can rid yourself of that pig the sooner you can get back to prominence.

Maybe there's hope? Louisville is going to be looking for a coach. It's always been my dream that tubby be named the head coach at UL.

(12-20-2017 01:15 PM)BJD Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:44 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  To sign 1 player at Memphis rated over 300 screams he’s done after this year. You have to not try in order to do that. He’s a really good floor coach and developmental coach who ignores the other parts of his job.

I hope he’s right and we shock the world and make the tournament this year. That’s a sad commentary on where Tubby has brought this once proud program.

Where do you get that tubby develops players? Players get worse the longer they play for tubby, not better.

I lived through this crap for 10 years while he was at UK. Players did not get fundamentally better under his watch. Players got older and more mature as they would have anywhere. But they gained no appreciable basketball skill that they did not have when they got to UK.

Everywhere tubby goes his first year is his best year. He's a likable guy and seems to be a down to earth sort on the surface. The players from the previous regime relate to him for a while. It goes downhill from there.

I see comments about tubby saying Memphis would play fast and be high scoring. I don't if he promised you guys that but that was the annual tubby lie at UK.

He will never play a fast paced game because that requires allowing the players to take control and get out and play. He is far too much of a micromanager to ever allow that to happen.

As far as "game manager"? I know he has that reputation of being good. But why? No one that says that has ever been able to point to something that makes them say that. Is it the rhythm killing substitutions that makes him a game manager? He made bone headed calls late in games all the time while at UK. Has he gotten better?

Memphis bought a pig in a poke. The sooner you can rid yourself of that pig the sooner you can get back to prominence.

Maybe there's hope? Louisville is going to be looking for a coach. It's always been my dream that tubby be named the head coach at UL.

NKR

Tubby being crowned the head coach at UL is the most exciting comment in this thread.

He, Saul and Pooh would be a perfect fit