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RE: Good News! We are Destined for Postseason Play, per Tubby
(12-25-2017 02:18 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  
(12-23-2017 10:40 AM)SpiderMan79x Wrote:  
(12-23-2017 10:19 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 05:31 PM)SpiderMan79x Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 05:09 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  Is that what the committee uses? Just the ooc sos?

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I don't know, but I do know OOC is all that you can control. You have no choice in the matter with conference foes.
But that is usually set up like 4 years in advance.

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While with home and homes or big name teams or tournaments then that can be correct. Teams like Albany, Samford and Bryant are not set years in advance. Even the series with LSU was just signed back in April or May 2017.

The current coach has almost complete control over the teams on the OOC schedule on a year to year basis.
I would be interested to know when all the ooc was set.

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In the same way that it isn't easy to schedule P5 home and home when you aren't doing well, it isn't easy to schedule highly ranked top 150 cupcakes. They are also in demand and can pick and choose who they play.
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RE: Good News! We are Destined for Postseason Play, per Tubby
Still waiting for "grownup" guy to let everyone know how the teams were selected and seeded last year. He has all the time in the world to make up lame excuse after excuse for all of Tubby's screw ups, but apparently no time to answer simple relevant questions.
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RE: Good News! We are Destined for Postseason Play, per Tubby
(12-27-2017 10:36 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Still waiting for "grownup" guy to let everyone know how the teams were selected and seeded last year. He has all the time in the world to make up lame excuse after excuse for all of Tubby's screw ups, but apparently no time to answer simple relevant questions.

Everything any of the gurus say or write tells anyone who is listening that they are using RPI less and advanced metrics more. You refuse to believe that, then I can't help you. There's really nothing left to be said on that matter.

As for SOS, you can't compare the current OOC SOS with prior years because there is still a game to be played against a top 100 OOC opponent. Here is what we do know:

(Sagarin and KenPom measure SOS very similarly. So this will simply focus on Sagarin.)
SOS during Pastner's years averaged a ranking of 99.
Last year was 93 which was better than every year under Pastner except for 2 seasons.
Last year's average OOC opponent ranking was 184.
Today, OOC opponents average 175.
Therefore, it stands to reason that this year's OOC SOS will be better than last year.
And with the AAC improving from the addition of Wichita, this year's AAC SOS should be better.

In summary, this year's SOS will be better than last year which was better than every year under Pastner except 2014 and 2012. Total SOS is slowly improving from the decline that we saw under Pastner. Furthermore, I can tell you that OOC SOS got worse every year from 2012 to 2016. Last year stopped the slide and this year should build on it ever so slightly.

All of this is not to say it's a great schedule. It's not. At the same time, you or I
don't know what options are available for us with the schedule - especially given the restrictions from the FEF contract. But the main point is simple...The story that this year's schedule is the worst ever is all myth. Home schedule sucks. Overall SOS is improving. IF our record improves with an improving SOS, then that is something.
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RE: Good News! We are Destined for Postseason Play, per Tubby
(12-27-2017 05:56 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 10:36 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Still waiting for "grownup" guy to let everyone know how the teams were selected and seeded last year. He has all the time in the world to make up lame excuse after excuse for all of Tubby's screw ups, but apparently no time to answer simple relevant questions.

Everything any of the gurus say or write tells anyone who is listening that they are using RPI less and advanced metrics more. You refuse to believe that, then I can't help you. There's really nothing left to be said on that matter.

As for SOS, you can't compare the current OOC SOS with prior years because there is still a game to be played against a top 100 OOC opponent. Here is what we do know:

(Sagarin and KenPom measure SOS very similarly. So this will simply focus on Sagarin.)
SOS during Pastner's years averaged a ranking of 99.
Last year was 93 which was better than every year under Pastner except for 2 seasons.
Last year's average OOC opponent ranking was 184.
Today, OOC opponents average 175.
Therefore, it stands to reason that this year's OOC SOS will be better than last year.
And with the AAC improving from the addition of Wichita, this year's AAC SOS should be better.

In summary, this year's SOS will be better than last year which was better than every year under Pastner except 2014 and 2012. Total SOS is slowly improving from the decline that we saw under Pastner. Furthermore, I can tell you that OOC SOS got worse every year from 2012 to 2016. Last year stopped the slide and this year should build on it ever so slightly.

All of this is not to say it's a great schedule. It's not. At the same time, you or I
don't know what options are available for us with the schedule - especially given the restrictions from the FEF contract. But the main point is simple...The story that this year's schedule is the worst ever is all myth. Home schedule sucks. Overall SOS is improving. IF our record improves with an improving SOS, then that is something.

Buddy, what gibberish are you talking about? I keep asking a SIMPLE question. In the 2017 NCAA Tournament, were the teams selected and their seeding weighted more toward the RPI, Sagarin or Pomeroy?

Simple question.
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RE: Good News! We are Destined for Postseason Play, per Tubby
(12-17-2017 03:42 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 03:13 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Somebody probably needs to take a break.

This has gotten to be an unhealthy obsession.

I agree ... 07-coffee3
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RE: Good News! We are Destined for Postseason Play, per Tubby
Silly wabbits. Obsessions make the world go round.
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RE: Good News! We are Destined for Postseason Play, per Tubby
(12-27-2017 05:56 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 10:36 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Still waiting for "grownup" guy to let everyone know how the teams were selected and seeded last year. He has all the time in the world to make up lame excuse after excuse for all of Tubby's screw ups, but apparently no time to answer simple relevant questions.

Everything any of the gurus say or write tells anyone who is listening that they are using RPI less and advanced metrics more. You refuse to believe that, then I can't help you. There's really nothing left to be said on that matter.

As for SOS, you can't compare the current OOC SOS with prior years because there is still a game to be played against a top 100 OOC opponent. Here is what we do know:

(Sagarin and KenPom measure SOS very similarly. So this will simply focus on Sagarin.)
SOS during Pastner's years averaged a ranking of 99.
Last year was 93 which was better than every year under Pastner except for 2 seasons.
Last year's average OOC opponent ranking was 184.
Today, OOC opponents average 175.
Therefore, it stands to reason that this year's OOC SOS will be better than last year.
And with the AAC improving from the addition of Wichita, this year's AAC SOS should be better.

In summary, this year's SOS will be better than last year which was better than every year under Pastner except 2014 and 2012. Total SOS is slowly improving from the decline that we saw under Pastner. Furthermore, I can tell you that OOC SOS got worse every year from 2012 to 2016. Last year stopped the slide and this year should build on it ever so slightly.

All of this is not to say it's a great schedule. It's not. At the same time, you or I
don't know what options are available for us with the schedule - especially given the restrictions from the FEF contract. But the main point is simple...The story that this year's schedule is the worst ever is all myth. Home schedule sucks. Overall SOS is improving. IF our record improves with an improving SOS, then that is something.

Nobody good wants to play a Nobody...And right now Memphis is considered a Nobody.

We cant just get a home and home game with schools because we offer no value. Why would Gonzaga want to play us home and home...they wouldn't that is why they dropped us like a hot potato. Xavier likely doesn't want to play us either...

Do you think fans of a good team would be excited to see Memphis on the schedule? Then they also run the risk of having a bad loss on their resume if they come here to play.

It is a lose/lose for good teams to schedule us.
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RE: Good News! We are Destined for Postseason Play, per Tubby
a sad truth.

We have to lure them in with our FB team and then renege.
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RE: Good News! We are Destined for Postseason Play, per Tubby
(12-28-2017 03:10 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 05:56 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 10:36 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Still waiting for "grownup" guy to let everyone know how the teams were selected and seeded last year. He has all the time in the world to make up lame excuse after excuse for all of Tubby's screw ups, but apparently no time to answer simple relevant questions.

Everything any of the gurus say or write tells anyone who is listening that they are using RPI less and advanced metrics more. You refuse to believe that, then I can't help you. There's really nothing left to be said on that matter.

As for SOS, you can't compare the current OOC SOS with prior years because there is still a game to be played against a top 100 OOC opponent. Here is what we do know:

(Sagarin and KenPom measure SOS very similarly. So this will simply focus on Sagarin.)
SOS during Pastner's years averaged a ranking of 99.
Last year was 93 which was better than every year under Pastner except for 2 seasons.
Last year's average OOC opponent ranking was 184.
Today, OOC opponents average 175.
Therefore, it stands to reason that this year's OOC SOS will be better than last year.
And with the AAC improving from the addition of Wichita, this year's AAC SOS should be better.

In summary, this year's SOS will be better than last year which was better than every year under Pastner except 2014 and 2012. Total SOS is slowly improving from the decline that we saw under Pastner. Furthermore, I can tell you that OOC SOS got worse every year from 2012 to 2016. Last year stopped the slide and this year should build on it ever so slightly.

All of this is not to say it's a great schedule. It's not. At the same time, you or I
don't know what options are available for us with the schedule - especially given the restrictions from the FEF contract. But the main point is simple...The story that this year's schedule is the worst ever is all myth. Home schedule sucks. Overall SOS is improving. IF our record improves with an improving SOS, then that is something.

Buddy, what gibberish are you talking about? I keep asking a SIMPLE question. In the 2017 NCAA Tournament, were the teams selected and their seeding weighted more toward the RPI, Sagarin or Pomeroy?

Simple question.

See the VERY FIRST SENTENCE in my reply above. I've bolded it for you in case you are struggling with comprehension.
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RE: Good News! We are Destined for Postseason Play, per Tubby
(12-28-2017 01:35 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 05:56 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 10:36 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Still waiting for "grownup" guy to let everyone know how the teams were selected and seeded last year. He has all the time in the world to make up lame excuse after excuse for all of Tubby's screw ups, but apparently no time to answer simple relevant questions.

Everything any of the gurus say or write tells anyone who is listening that they are using RPI less and advanced metrics more. You refuse to believe that, then I can't help you. There's really nothing left to be said on that matter.

As for SOS, you can't compare the current OOC SOS with prior years because there is still a game to be played against a top 100 OOC opponent. Here is what we do know:

(Sagarin and KenPom measure SOS very similarly. So this will simply focus on Sagarin.)
SOS during Pastner's years averaged a ranking of 99.
Last year was 93 which was better than every year under Pastner except for 2 seasons.
Last year's average OOC opponent ranking was 184.
Today, OOC opponents average 175.
Therefore, it stands to reason that this year's OOC SOS will be better than last year.
And with the AAC improving from the addition of Wichita, this year's AAC SOS should be better.

In summary, this year's SOS will be better than last year which was better than every year under Pastner except 2014 and 2012. Total SOS is slowly improving from the decline that we saw under Pastner. Furthermore, I can tell you that OOC SOS got worse every year from 2012 to 2016. Last year stopped the slide and this year should build on it ever so slightly.

All of this is not to say it's a great schedule. It's not. At the same time, you or I
don't know what options are available for us with the schedule - especially given the restrictions from the FEF contract. But the main point is simple...The story that this year's schedule is the worst ever is all myth. Home schedule sucks. Overall SOS is improving. IF our record improves with an improving SOS, then that is something.

Nobody good wants to play a Nobody...And right now Memphis is considered a Nobody.

We cant just get a home and home game with schools because we offer no value. Why would Gonzaga want to play us home and home...they wouldn't that is why they dropped us like a hot potato. Xavier likely doesn't want to play us either...

Do you think fans of a good team would be excited to see Memphis on the schedule? Then they also run the risk of having a bad loss on their resume if they come here to play.

It is a lose/lose for good teams to schedule us.

That's part of it. It matters for the made-for-tv matchups. We are not on ESPN speed dial any longer. Fortunately, we did get the two neutral games for tv events with Bama and L'ville. Doesn't help the home schedule a bit though.

Then you have the FEF contract which mandates x-number home games. So we're left with a bunch of buys, with only 1-2 slots that we are trying to fill on our own (LSU, UAB).
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RE: Good News! We are Destined for Postseason Play, per Tubby
(12-28-2017 05:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(12-28-2017 03:10 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 05:56 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 10:36 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Still waiting for "grownup" guy to let everyone know how the teams were selected and seeded last year. He has all the time in the world to make up lame excuse after excuse for all of Tubby's screw ups, but apparently no time to answer simple relevant questions.

Everything any of the gurus say or write tells anyone who is listening that they are using RPI less and advanced metrics more. You refuse to believe that, then I can't help you. There's really nothing left to be said on that matter.

As for SOS, you can't compare the current OOC SOS with prior years because there is still a game to be played against a top 100 OOC opponent. Here is what we do know:

(Sagarin and KenPom measure SOS very similarly. So this will simply focus on Sagarin.)
SOS during Pastner's years averaged a ranking of 99.
Last year was 93 which was better than every year under Pastner except for 2 seasons.
Last year's average OOC opponent ranking was 184.
Today, OOC opponents average 175.
Therefore, it stands to reason that this year's OOC SOS will be better than last year.
And with the AAC improving from the addition of Wichita, this year's AAC SOS should be better.

In summary, this year's SOS will be better than last year which was better than every year under Pastner except 2014 and 2012. Total SOS is slowly improving from the decline that we saw under Pastner. Furthermore, I can tell you that OOC SOS got worse every year from 2012 to 2016. Last year stopped the slide and this year should build on it ever so slightly.

All of this is not to say it's a great schedule. It's not. At the same time, you or I
don't know what options are available for us with the schedule - especially given the restrictions from the FEF contract. But the main point is simple...The story that this year's schedule is the worst ever is all myth. Home schedule sucks. Overall SOS is improving. IF our record improves with an improving SOS, then that is something.

Buddy, what gibberish are you talking about? I keep asking a SIMPLE question. In the 2017 NCAA Tournament, were the teams selected and their seeding weighted more toward the RPI, Sagarin or Pomeroy?

Simple question.

See the VERY FIRST SENTENCE in my reply above. I've bolded it for you in case you are struggling with comprehension.

I am not struggling with comprehension, I am struggling with the fact that you aren't very bright. The article was written in February 2017. You are supposedly on some other level, which I guess for you means that you have a sharpener for your crayons.

Tubby was telling everyone that we would play fast this year. Are we, or is Tubby saying one thing and doing another? Tubby said that we would have a lot of firepower this year. Do we? See what I'm doing (rhetorical question, of course you don't) here? Did the selection committee do what they said they would do or not?

So, simple question AGAIN. What actually happened? Were the teams selected and seeded with more weight given to the RPI, Sagarin or Pomeroy. You are the cough...cough..."grownup." Explain what happened to the rest of us based on actual facts.
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