Yesterday worked out awesome by kicking off to start game, and receiving the start of the second half, but did it sway Houston's thinking?

Who calls the flip for this game?

I have been wondering about odds and benefits for taking the ball or deferring to second half. I came across this:

https://www.cmusportsanalytics.com/start...nts-board/

Has anyone else seen any info on this?

Houston ALWAYS takes the ball. I can guarantee it.

Now if this poll was "Houston SHOULD" that's different. I would say defer.

(12-17-2017 12:54 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Houston ALWAYS takes the ball. I can guarantee it.

Now if this poll was "Houston SHOULD" that's different. I would say defer.

But will the results from yesterday change his mind?

Keep in mind the choice at the coin toss is not to take the ball in the first or second half, but to either kick or receive. The real reason why teams defer is not to get the ball in the second half. Deferring actually gives the other team the choice, and if they get confused and decide to kick, the deferring team gets the ball in BOTH halves. This of course very rarely happens, but the chance for it to happen makes deferring the better choice.

(12-17-2017 01:35 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 12:54 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Houston ALWAYS takes the ball. I can guarantee it.

Now if this poll was "Houston SHOULD" that's different. I would say defer.

But will the results from yesterday change his mind?

Doubt it. The philosphy is get the first points you can, or at least win the field position battle. That puts pressure on the opposing team. If SDSU scored first it might have been a tighter game.

We scored first, and once SDSU started to fall behind, they paniced a bit, and it just steamrolled. You can’t afford to be patient once you fall behind multiple scores, and that combined with our rush and blitzes led to some of those many interceptions.

(12-17-2017 01:35 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 12:54 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Houston ALWAYS takes the ball. I can guarantee it.

Now if this poll was "Houston SHOULD" that's different. I would say defer.

But will the results from yesterday change his mind?

Houston isn't the kind of guy to sway his thinking after a single result. He's been coaching for a long time. I seriously doubt he's thinking "Ya know, getting the ball in the second half worked so well for us against SDSU then we should do that from now on." They could have easily scored on their first drive (if not for the forced fumble) and now we're down 7-0.
I get that the offense has been the weaker part of our team, but Houston has a process. I just don't think he flips it all around due to one result.
I think there's only one thing that may make him change that call.... wind. If wind was playing a huge factor, I'm sure he'd rather have control over that than getting the ball first.
My understanding is that Houston rarely, if ever, chooses to defer if he wins the toss.. He doesn't play with uncertainties. He believes in his team, both on offense and defense. If he's got the opportunity to start the game with the ball, he's going to take it.

If JMU wins the toss, its a virtual lock JMU will choose to take the ball first.

(12-17-2017 07:16 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  If JMU wins the toss, its a virtual lock JMU will choose to take the ball first.

As well they should. I have never understood the position of giving the other team the ball first. Give me the ball and let's score or at least flip the field. Take control of the game.

You don't get an extra possession by deferring.

(12-17-2017 10:24 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 07:16 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  If JMU wins the toss, its a virtual lock JMU will choose to take the ball first.

As well they should. I have never understood the position of giving the other team the ball first. Give me the ball and let's score or at least flip the field. Take control of the game.

You don't get an extra possession by deferring.

Last week is exactly why I like to defer. Stop them on the first drive and you now have potentially two extra possessions on them.

Obviously no right or wrong, but I think most like to defer.

Do the macarena.

(12-17-2017 12:54 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Houston ALWAYS takes the ball. I can guarantee it.

Now if this poll was "Houston SHOULD" that's different. I would say defer.

and NDSU always defers

(12-17-2017 10:24 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 07:16 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  If JMU wins the toss, its a virtual lock JMU will choose to take the ball first.

As well they should. I have never understood the position of giving the other team the ball first. Give me the ball and let's score or at least flip the field. Take control of the game.

You don't get an extra possession by deferring.

so you can score b4 half and after half. no wonder you guys haven't been a dynasty for the last 8 years like NDSU GEEZ LOUISE!!

(12-22-2017 01:19 AM)lakesbison Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 10:24 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 07:16 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  If JMU wins the toss, its a virtual lock JMU will choose to take the ball first.

As well they should. I have never understood the position of giving the other team the ball first. Give me the ball and let's score or at least flip the field. Take control of the game.

You don't get an extra possession by deferring.

so you can score b4 half and after half. no wonder you guys haven't been a dynasty for the last 8 years like NDSU GEEZ LOUISE!!

No wonder Houston's JMU teams have never lost to an FCS opponent.

Interesting, looks like JMU will get the ball first, no matter what. Bison always defer.

(12-17-2017 01:58 PM)Nerfherder95 Wrote:  Keep in mind the choice at the coin toss is not to take the ball in the first or second half, but to either kick or receive. The real reason why teams defer is not to get the ball in the second half. Deferring actually gives the other team the choice, and if they get confused and decide to kick, the deferring team gets the ball in BOTH halves. This of course very rarely happens, but the chance for it to happen makes deferring the better choice.

Said another way, you have three possible options if you win the coin flip:
1. Receive the ball
2. Kick the ball and decide which end of the field to defend in the first and therefore second half
3. defer the decision - having the right to decide to receive or kick starting the second half.

So, the right decision depends on what you think is most important for the specific opponent, weather and make up of your team. But, yes, if you think your opponent is less than aware of the impact of his decision (ignorant or worse), then deferring might get you extra possessions in the game.

(12-23-2017 12:44 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 01:58 PM)Nerfherder95 Wrote:  Keep in mind the choice at the coin toss is not to take the ball in the first or second half, but to either kick or receive. The real reason why teams defer is not to get the ball in the second half. Deferring actually gives the other team the choice, and if they get confused and decide to kick, the deferring team gets the ball in BOTH halves. This of course very rarely happens, but the chance for it to happen makes deferring the better choice.

Said another way, you have three possible options if you win the coin flip:
1. Receive the ball
2. Kick the ball and decide which end of the field to defend in the first and therefore second half
3. defer the decision - having the right to decide to receive or kick starting the second half.

So, the right decision depends on what you think is most important for the specific opponent, weather and make up of your team. But, yes, if you think your opponent is less than aware of the impact of his decision (ignorant or worse), then deferring might get you extra possessions in the game.

If I remember correctly during the Mickey years we messed this up once.

(12-23-2017 01:13 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:44 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 01:58 PM)Nerfherder95 Wrote:  Keep in mind the choice at the coin toss is not to take the ball in the first or second half, but to either kick or receive. The real reason why teams defer is not to get the ball in the second half. Deferring actually gives the other team the choice, and if they get confused and decide to kick, the deferring team gets the ball in BOTH halves. This of course very rarely happens, but the chance for it to happen makes deferring the better choice.

Said another way, you have three possible options if you win the coin flip:
1. Receive the ball
2. Kick the ball and decide which end of the field to defend in the first and therefore second half
3. defer the decision - having the right to decide to receive or kick starting the second half.

So, the right decision depends on what you think is most important for the specific opponent, weather and make up of your team. But, yes, if you think your opponent is less than aware of the impact of his decision (ignorant or worse), then deferring might get you extra possessions in the game.

If I remember correctly during the Mickey years we messed this up once.

@ W&M

(12-23-2017 07:41 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 01:13 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:44 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 01:58 PM)Nerfherder95 Wrote:  Keep in mind the choice at the coin toss is not to take the ball in the first or second half, but to either kick or receive. The real reason why teams defer is not to get the ball in the second half. Deferring actually gives the other team the choice, and if they get confused and decide to kick, the deferring team gets the ball in BOTH halves. This of course very rarely happens, but the chance for it to happen makes deferring the better choice.

Said another way, you have three possible options if you win the coin flip:
1. Receive the ball
2. Kick the ball and decide which end of the field to defend in the first and therefore second half
3. defer the decision - having the right to decide to receive or kick starting the second half.

So, the right decision depends on what you think is most important for the specific opponent, weather and make up of your team. But, yes, if you think your opponent is less than aware of the impact of his decision (ignorant or worse), then deferring might get you extra possessions in the game.

If I remember correctly during the Mickey years we messed this up once.

@ W&M

I think it was MM's final season as well.

2013, it was the original teepee tailgate game. Lots of positive memories, most from the parking lot...