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RE: To press or not to press- good article which discusses UNCG and their recent change
Everyone always mentions VCU as the Mid Major model program with the “Havoc” style defense that fans want UNCW to become. It kinda worked, we won the CAA tourney back to back years and then fell short against ACC opponents. That style never got us past where we had been before.
12-16-2017 08:52 PM
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(12-16-2017 08:50 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 08:44 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  Our press under Keatts was usually a token press. We guarded the inbounder and put some pressure on the first ball handler. We played absolutely no defense. Last year especially, we just simply had great offensive fire power to overcome our defensive deficiencies.

Regardless of the type of press, take a peek at the article I linked. UNCW had the #9 most disruptive press in the country. one behind Louisville. I wouldn't call that "token". We caused a TO on 27% of opponents possessions. Now, we had a hard time in a half court defense, but that isn't news. I acknowledge that the press and creating TO's masked a weak man to man defense. I wish Keatts played some zone as well.

If Keatts would have thrown in some zone every now.and then we would have been even more formidable
12-16-2017 09:03 PM
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(12-16-2017 08:50 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 08:44 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  Our press under Keatts was usually a token press. We guarded the inbounder and put some pressure on the first ball handler. We played absolutely no defense. Last year especially, we just simply had great offensive fire power to overcome our defensive deficiencies.

Regardless of the type of press, take a peek at the article I linked. UNCW had the #9 most disruptive press in the country. one behind Louisville. I wouldn't call that "token". We caused a TO on 27% of opponents possessions. Now, we had a hard time in a half court defense, but that isn't news. I acknowledge that the press and creating TO's masked a weak man to man defense. I wish Keatts played some zone as well.

That’s something I’ve found comical. People act like we haven’t had this “why can’t we try a little zone?” And “how about a mid-game adjustment?” even during the Keatts era.
12-16-2017 09:39 PM
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RE: To press or not to press- good article which discusses UNCG and their recent change
(12-16-2017 09:39 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 08:50 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 08:44 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  Our press under Keatts was usually a token press. We guarded the inbounder and put some pressure on the first ball handler. We played absolutely no defense. Last year especially, we just simply had great offensive fire power to overcome our defensive deficiencies.

Regardless of the type of press, take a peek at the article I linked. UNCW had the #9 most disruptive press in the country. one behind Louisville. I wouldn't call that "token". We caused a TO on 27% of opponents possessions. Now, we had a hard time in a half court defense, but that isn't news. I acknowledge that the press and creating TO's masked a weak man to man defense. I wish Keatts played some zone as well.

That’s something I’ve found comical. People act like we haven’t had this “why can’t we try a little zone?” And “how about a mid-game adjustment?” even during the Keatts era.
If you're going to be stubborn and not make adjustments you better win. Keatts did that McGrath not so much
12-16-2017 09:53 PM
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Experienced players make a difference. State didn't have their PG so they lost. When Talley went out the other day, we dropped off. Our freshman wasn't quite ready yet, he will learn. Taking care of the ball is the key at any level. When you go through it some, like Gary, he's going to get better. And, UNCW needed to have another guard helping out.

I don't see UNCW pressing this year. They don't have the numbers right now anyways. They will get better and the freshmen will get more PT too for the future.
12-16-2017 10:52 PM
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You’re right Bill. We don’t have the numbers to press as much anymore. And we lost a lot of athleticism in our lineup. I would like to see zone though.
12-17-2017 07:20 AM
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RE: To press or not to press- good article which discusses UNCG and their recent change
Lol,

Keatts was only here three years. To hear anyone complain we didn't get back to "where we were" is comical. He threw together a hodge podge of players to provide quick success and it worked. Take a look at the incoming players that walked away when he left. We had a lot of size and athleticism on the way.
Havoc isn't built in a day(although he did pretty well), it's a commitment over time to certain types of players and coaches who will continue that style. UNCW took once small step in that direction over three years, had great success, then walked away. The best was yet to come but we abandoned ship for some unknown reason.

And before anyone presumes winning the CAA and even participating in the NCAA tournament is a given, take a look at William and Mary specifically and the CAA as a whole. We had more NCAA presence in the short span of Keatts than most of the teams in the CAA. Once you add in our prior success, our NCAA appearances blow away everyone else in the CAA. And, IMO, the sentiment expressed was the problem...AGAIN. We weren't happy with Brownell just GETTING to the NCAA, he needed to win. We weren't happy with Keatts just GETTING to the NCAA, he needed to win. And in both cases, we switched direction from a successful model hoping for next level success. The Brownell switch resulted in a decade of failure. We'll see where the Keatts switch winds up. I'm not optimistic at the moment.
12-17-2017 07:42 AM
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(12-16-2017 10:52 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Experienced players make a difference. State didn't have their PG so they lost. When Talley went out the other day, we dropped off. Our freshman wasn't quite ready yet, he will learn. Taking care of the ball is the key at any level. When you go through it some, like Gary, he's going to get better. And, UNCW needed to have another guard helping out.

I don't see UNCW pressing this year. They don't have the numbers right now anyways. They will get better and the freshmen will get more PT too for the future.

We could still institute full court pressure to run clock and disrupt the flow of an opponent, even if it wasn't all out Havoc style pressure. The 1-2-2 UNCG played was more of a way to start defending after a made basket. And, the 1-2-2 flowed nicely into zone once the opponent passed half court. I would argue we need it even more because our numbers are low to even have a shot of winning. Even if you're not defending full court, you have to get back fast to prevent fast breaks which takes just as much effort. And, it gets your bigs in position to defend and prevents drives to the basket which draws fouls. A LOT of the drives on us are because we are waiting to defend at half court. Guards are surveying the landscape and can see a path to the bucket by simply making a good move on our guards. Once they beat one guard, we're in a bad spot and either give up the bucket or foul.

I would also argue that NCSU lost because UNCG had a better roster to press and run than NCSU. They also had a full year and a half of experience running their press successfully. NCSU has a bunch of big slow men who play in the post. Cacok would have been devastating on the NCSU squad against UNCG.
12-17-2017 07:54 AM
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Did anyone watch the halftime show during the NCSU/UNCG game? They had an ACC coaches panel with Pastner, Padgett, Brey, Larranaga, Buzz Williams and Brownell, and they asked each of them about their first year as a head coach. Brey had some great insight for Padgett, talked about discovering yourself and your own style and how difficult it is to delegate your first season. It was a good discussion, and I couldn't help but think of those that have already written off McGrath as one term HC failure. Buzz also talked about defining success and validation differently than the fans.
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12-17-2017 08:56 AM
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(12-17-2017 08:56 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Did anyone watch the halftime show during the NCSU/UNCG game? They had an ACC coaches panel with Pastner, Padgett, Brey, Larranaga, Buzz Williams and Brownell, and they asked each of them about their first year as a head coach. Brey had some great insight for Padgett, talked about discovering yourself and your own style and how difficult it is to delegate your first season. It was a good discussion, and I couldn't help but think of those that have already written off McGrath as one term HC failure. Buzz also talked about defining success and validation differently than the fans.


Not writing off McGrath at all. I am facing reality though. McGrath is almost starting from scratch as a first time head coach, at a school without the resources of a UNC, and implementing a system he doesn't have the players for. That's a tough row to hoe. I have a greater issue with the decision by UNCW to switch gears than I do with McGrath. He may succeed, but he wasn't set up to succeed. Climbing out of a hole in your first year, following three years of record breaking success is not easy.
12-17-2017 09:29 AM
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