(12-16-2017 05:13 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 04:29 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Sorry, I’d rather play real teams than cupcakes

I'd rather have a shot at 14-0, 13-1, a big bowl, ranking. Build the brand. Who wants 8-5

Uhm, your brand was being built when you were beating P5 schools. You think OOO vs. the likes of of Presbyterian, MTSU, UNLV and Idaho gets you to "big bowl?" You think you get exposure, tv with teams like that? Please. You want attention, you want recognition in NP5 you have to go out and beat them.

Oh, and BTW, there is this green thing called money that athletic programs need. Like a few 100k+ for going to play on the road. I mean the Sunbelt has even figured that out.

(12-16-2017 05:45 PM)JoeNovak Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 05:28 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 05:23 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 05:20 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 05:17 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The BYU game isn't until late October. So most likely a 1-3 start with what ever team we schedule for week 3. BYU was pretty bad this year and can be a nice win as the team builds momentum down the stretch. The goal for next year is to win the west. So those tough OOC games shouldn't derail the season. Win the west and develop a qb. Thats 1 and 1A. I think 2019 is the year this group peaks and can maybe think top 25 by winning those OOC vs Utah, Nebraska and Vandy.

Who gives a **** about winning the worst conference in college football.

Every team in the MAC. Most of those teams fans.

Feels like a waste if we have a crap ooc record

Exactly, and nobody here could tell me who played in the sun belt or conference USA championship last year because nobody cares, but they will remember Troy beating LSU and of course NIU beating Nebraska.

Exactly.

(12-16-2017 08:18 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 07:53 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 05:13 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 04:29 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Sorry, I’d rather play real teams than cupcakes

I'd rather have a shot at 14-0, 13-1, a big bowl, ranking. Build the brand. Who wants 8-5

Two 3rds of all FBS football teams, who did worse than 8-5.

We'll be stuck in the MAC with 8-5

And where was NIU supposed to be going?

And I love the assumption that every "cupcake" you schedule is win. Like WIU? If NIU scheduled CFU after they didn't win a game and lost to them this year would that be bad scheduling?. And when NIU scheduled Nebraska I am sure they weren't considered a cupcake.

(12-16-2017 09:20 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 05:45 PM)JoeNovak Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 05:28 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 05:23 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 05:20 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  Who gives a **** about winning the worst conference in college football.

Every team in the MAC. Most of those teams fans.

Feels like a waste if we have a crap ooc record

Exactly, and nobody here could tell me who played in the sun belt or conference USA championship last year because nobody cares, but they will remember Troy beating LSU and of course NIU beating Nebraska.

Exactly.

+1000
No casual fan will remember we lost to CMU but will remember we beat Nebraska.
NIU needs as many casual fans as we can get.

(12-16-2017 09:08 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Not as scary as it looks.
Utah went 6-6 this year, and we got em at home.
BYU was baaad this year.
FSU 6-6 this year and undergoing a coaching change. Still a lot of talent, but who knows.
@Iowa is the really tough one, even if they have no offense.
3-1 wouldn't surprise me, and would probably make Huskies leaders for Access Bowl going into conference.

While you claim "3-1 wouldn't surprise me," what are you really expecting?
Because pre-season magazines won't be afraid to predict the Huskies going 0-4, 1-3 at best.

I expect 2-2

(12-16-2017 09:47 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 09:20 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 05:45 PM)JoeNovak Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 05:28 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 05:23 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Every team in the MAC. Most of those teams fans.

Feels like a waste if we have a crap ooc record

Exactly, and nobody here could tell me who played in the sun belt or conference USA championship last year because nobody cares, but they will remember Troy beating LSU and of course NIU beating Nebraska.

Exactly.

+1000
No casual fan will remember we lost to CMU but will remember we beat Nebraska.
NIU needs as many casual fans as we can get.

+100 give me OOC victories or bowl wins vs P5 anyday over a MACC.

(12-16-2017 05:20 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 05:17 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The BYU game isn't until late October. So most likely a 1-3 start with what ever team we schedule for week 3. BYU was pretty bad this year and can be a nice win as the team builds momentum down the stretch. The goal for next year is to win the west. So those tough OOC games shouldn't derail the season. Win the west and develop a qb. Thats 1 and 1A. I think 2019 is the year this group peaks and can maybe think top 25 by winning those OOC vs Utah, Nebraska and Vandy.

Who gives a **** about winning the worst conference in college football. We need more. It was working until the last few years. Can't bite off more than we can chew

So you don’t care about winning the MAC and don’t care about challenging ourselves OOC.

May as well cancel the program. No ambition.

(12-16-2017 03:44 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  After a few years of getting recognition again then we maybe we can take a ride on space mountain! Keep winning and get a bump into AAC and then beyond.

How was basketball equivalent Butler built? The biggest conference jump (Horizon to Big East) in college sports this century?

Through OOC scheduling. Did you know the second year Butler played in the National Title game - they started 5-5 in the Horizon? No one remembers that. Everyone remembers that Butler beat 4 P5’s in Nov/Dec before doing it all over again in March.

I like the scheduling...just need to make sure we can get a few at home like STF has done.

(12-16-2017 10:55 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 03:44 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  After a few years of getting recognition again then we maybe we can take a ride on space mountain! Keep winning and get a bump into AAC and then beyond.

How was basketball equivalent Butler built? The biggest conference jump (Horizon to Big East) in college sports this century?

Through OOC scheduling. Did you know the second year Butler played in the National Title game - they started 5-5 in the Horizon? No one remembers that. Everyone remembers that Butler beat 4 P5’s in Nov/Dec before doing it all over again in March.

I get the ambition but we need to win regularly. It should get to the point where it isn't shocking news. We should have twice as many boneyard victories as we do. Teams like Boise, tcu and several American teams are expected to win. No team from the MAC is thought of in that way. Nebraska was a great win for the brand. However we should have beat BC and SDSU as well. We didn't look good last year losing to sdsu and USF and should have beat Wyoming. I want us to make the jump as bad or more than most but we have to back it up when we have the chance. Beating Duke will be a good start going into next years schedule.

I agree with having ambitions and improving the OCC - BUT GRADUALLY !!!

Next year is a GIANT leap of faith in that regard.

Careful what you pray for. Battered and beaten is not an ideal preparation for MAC games -and especially when any NIU difference makers and depth is limited.

(12-16-2017 11:36 PM)nucyberdawg Wrote:  I agree with having ambitions and improving the OCC - BUT GRADUALLY !!!

Next year is a GIANT leap of faith in that regard.

Careful what you pray for. Battered and beaten is not an ideal preparation for MAC games -and especially when any NIU difference makers and depth is limited.

Herein lies the disconnect. There's people who view the current team as it is. And those who view it as how they wish it were. Let's get a starting QB before we start knocking off top P5 teams.

MACC's are harder to come by. NIU has more P5 wins than conference championships. The move to bigger wins and noteriety comes AFTER you win your conference. Do you really think NIU gets respect by beating a P5 but not wining the MAC? "So they beat Iowa. They couldn't even win the freaking MAC.."

(12-16-2017 09:19 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 05:13 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 04:29 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Sorry, I’d rather play real teams than cupcakes

I'd rather have a shot at 14-0, 13-1, a big bowl, ranking. Build the brand. Who wants 8-5

Uhm, your brand was being built when you were beating P5 schools. You think OOO vs. the likes of of Presbyterian, MTSU, UNLV and Idaho gets you to "big bowl?" You think you get exposure, tv with teams like that? Please. You want attention, you want recognition in NP5 you have to go out and beat them.

Oh, and BTW, there is this green thing called money that athletic programs need. Like a few 100k+ for going to play on the road. I mean the Sunbelt has even figured that out.

It was built by carefully scheduling beatable p5s within an easier ooc. Get lucky in one or two of those then run the table and were ranked. Im.not saying all cupcakes!

(12-17-2017 04:58 AM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 09:19 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 05:13 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 04:29 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Sorry, I’d rather play real teams than cupcakes

I'd rather have a shot at 14-0, 13-1, a big bowl, ranking. Build the brand. Who wants 8-5

Uhm, your brand was being built when you were beating P5 schools. You think OOO vs. the likes of of Presbyterian, MTSU, UNLV and Idaho gets you to "big bowl?" You think you get exposure, tv with teams like that? Please. You want attention, you want recognition in NP5 you have to go out and beat them.

Oh, and BTW, there is this green thing called money that athletic programs need. Like a few 100k+ for going to play on the road. I mean the Sunbelt has even figured that out.

It was built by carefully scheduling beatable p5s within an easier ooc. Get lucky in one or two of those then run the table and were ranked. Im.not saying all cupcakes!

NIU had to beat two ranked teams in order to get any recognition in 2003. That’s life as a G5. UCF went undefeated and didn’t even crack the top 10. Scheduling matters.

(12-16-2017 10:55 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 03:44 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  After a few years of getting recognition again then we maybe we can take a ride on space mountain! Keep winning and get a bump into AAC and then beyond.

How was basketball equivalent Butler built? The biggest conference jump (Horizon to Big East) in college sports this century?

Through OOC scheduling. Did you know the second year Butler played in the National Title game - they started 5-5 in the Horizon? No one remembers that. Everyone remembers that Butler beat 4 P5’s in Nov/Dec before doing it all over again in March.

You're comparing apples to oranges bro. In bball even top seeds commonly lose 4-5 games. You can't lose like that in football.

Let's schedule carefully, win, and maybe get invited to a better conference like the AAC.

(12-17-2017 05:14 AM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 10:55 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 03:44 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  After a few years of getting recognition again then we maybe we can take a ride on space mountain! Keep winning and get a bump into AAC and then beyond.

How was basketball equivalent Butler built? The biggest conference jump (Horizon to Big East) in college sports this century?

Through OOC scheduling. Did you know the second year Butler played in the National Title game - they started 5-5 in the Horizon? No one remembers that. Everyone remembers that Butler beat 4 P5’s in Nov/Dec before doing it all over again in March.

You're comparing apples to oranges bro. In bball even top seeds commonly lose 4-5 games. You can't lose like that in football.

Let's schedule carefully, win, and maybe get invited to a better conference like the AAC.

Our record has nothing to do with getting into another conference. Well, certainly not an undefeated one. Beating nationally recognized opponents FAR outweighs going undefeated against terrible teams. Also, we would need a new stadium and a bunch of money.

(12-17-2017 05:12 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 04:58 AM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 09:19 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 05:13 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 04:29 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Sorry, I’d rather play real teams than cupcakes

I'd rather have a shot at 14-0, 13-1, a big bowl, ranking. Build the brand. Who wants 8-5

Uhm, your brand was being built when you were beating P5 schools. You think OOO vs. the likes of of Presbyterian, MTSU, UNLV and Idaho gets you to "big bowl?" You think you get exposure, tv with teams like that? Please. You want attention, you want recognition in NP5 you have to go out and beat them.

Oh, and BTW, there is this green thing called money that athletic programs need. Like a few 100k+ for going to play on the road. I mean the Sunbelt has even figured that out.

It was built by carefully scheduling beatable p5s within an easier ooc. Get lucky in one or two of those then run the table and were ranked. Im.not saying all cupcakes!

NIU had to beat two ranked teams in order to get any recognition in 2003. That’s life as a G5. UCF went undefeated and didn’t even crack the top 10. Scheduling matters.

You just made my point! UCF made it to an access bowl...oh btw their marketing team seems to figure out how to brand UCF instead of central Florida.

(12-17-2017 08:04 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 05:14 AM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 10:55 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 03:44 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  After a few years of getting recognition again then we maybe we can take a ride on space mountain! Keep winning and get a bump into AAC and then beyond.

How was basketball equivalent Butler built? The biggest conference jump (Horizon to Big East) in college sports this century?

Through OOC scheduling. Did you know the second year Butler played in the National Title game - they started 5-5 in the Horizon? No one remembers that. Everyone remembers that Butler beat 4 P5’s in Nov/Dec before doing it all over again in March.

You're comparing apples to oranges bro. In bball even top seeds commonly lose 4-5 games. You can't lose like that in football.

Let's schedule carefully, win, and maybe get invited to a better conference like the AAC.

Our record has nothing to do with getting into another conference. Well, certainly not an undefeated one. Beating nationally recognized opponents FAR outweighs going undefeated against terrible teams. Also, we would need a new stadium and a bunch of money.

Record is how you get ranked and get more recognition. Again I'm not saying all cupcakes but an easier ooc is good for us until we take the next step as a program. Carey isn't good enough to take on a difficult ooc. Didn't someone post we only beat teams with losing records?

(12-17-2017 08:28 AM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 08:04 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 05:14 AM)NIUfrank Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 10:55 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 03:44 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  After a few years of getting recognition again then we maybe we can take a ride on space mountain! Keep winning and get a bump into AAC and then beyond.

How was basketball equivalent Butler built? The biggest conference jump (Horizon to Big East) in college sports this century?

Through OOC scheduling. Did you know the second year Butler played in the National Title game - they started 5-5 in the Horizon? No one remembers that. Everyone remembers that Butler beat 4 P5’s in Nov/Dec before doing it all over again in March.

You're comparing apples to oranges bro. In bball even top seeds commonly lose 4-5 games. You can't lose like that in football.

Let's schedule carefully, win, and maybe get invited to a better conference like the AAC.

Our record has nothing to do with getting into another conference. Well, certainly not an undefeated one. Beating nationally recognized opponents FAR outweighs going undefeated against terrible teams. Also, we would need a new stadium and a bunch of money.

Record is how you get ranked and get more recognition. Again I'm not saying all cupcakes but an easier ooc is good for us until we take the next step as a program. Carey isn't good enough to take on a difficult ooc. Didn't someone post we only beat teams with losing records?

Carey isn’t good enough? Jesus lol