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RE: Did the FBI and the DOJ, plot to clear Hillary Clinton, bring down Trump?
(12-16-2017 12:27 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  HRC's many years in the public eye certainly created the baggage needed for a very unpopular and somewhat unhinged candidate like DJT to win the presidency. I don't doubt that there were many conversations at the VFW bar and many other bars for that matter, right along those lines. I think most other possible Democratic candidates would have won in 2016. But a plot by the FBI and/or DOJ, no, just no. Not realistic. Comley's last days public announcement that they would be reopening the investigation to look at that laptop in fact probably was the nail in the coffin for HRC. Was that a conspiracy by the FBI to tip the scales to DJT favor? No, some want to say it was but it wasn't.

Well, I know there were a few such conversations, because I took part in them. And knowing the usual level of discourse in a VFW hall, I can't believe there were not a lot more.

OK, so the text messages do not evidence any kind of effort by FBI personnel to subvert Trump. Fine. So what DO they evidence? They exist. There must be a reason. So what is not? Are they code worded pizza orders?

As for Comey's last days effort, there is a very strong indication that he was facing a revolt among the rank and file who were unhappy with the Clinton "investigation," and some of them were about to go public. In that context, this could easily have been an effort to thwart that. Otherwise, it was pretty nonsensical. And at that point I don't see how it could have had much of an impact.

And it was very well documented that the rank and file had zero love for "Bobby Three Sticks's" arrogant ass. The media liked to comment on this during the Bush administration, but became strangely silent when he stayed on under Obama.
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RE: Did the FBI and the DOJ, plot to clear Hillary Clinton, bring down Trump?
The Dossier

Quote:The “dossier” was a compendium of largely specious allegations about Trump, compiled by the opposition research firm Fusion GPS. The dossier was funded by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. Comey called it “salacious and unverified.”

Various congressional committees suspect the dossier was illegally used to place a Trump campaign associate, Carter Page, under foreign surveillance. When asked about that on Wednesday during a hearing on Capitol Hill, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein refused to answer, which sounds like an implicit “yes.”

Using a dubious, if not phony, document in support of an affidavit to obtain a warrant from a federal judge constitutes a fraud upon the court, which is a crime.

The dossier scandal recently ensnared Bruce Ohr, a top Justice Department official, who was demoted last week for concealing his meetings with the men behind the document.

Ohr’s wife worked for Fusion GPS. This created a disqualifying conflict of interest for Mr. Ohr. He was legally obligated under Justice Department regulations to recuse himself from the Mueller investigation of Russia’s role in the election, but he did not.

Congress needs to find out whether the dossier was exploited as a pretext for initiating the Russia probe against President Trump. It would also be unconscionable, if not illegal, for the FBI and Justice Department to use opposition research funded by Clinton’s campaign to spy on her opponent or his campaign.

Both agencies have been resisting congressional subpoenas and other demands for answers, which smacks of a cover-up. Since the Justice Department cannot be trusted to investigate itself, a second special counsel should be appointed.

This new counsel should also reopen the Clinton email case and investigate the conduct of Strzok, Page, Comey and others who may have obstructed justice by exonerating Clinton in the face of substantial evidence that she had committed crimes.

If Strzok or anyone else allowed their political views to shape the investigations of either Clinton or Trump and dictate the outcomes, that is a felony for which they should be prosecuted.

The Mueller investigation is now so tainted with the appearance of corruption that it has lost credibility and the public’s trust.

It is very much like a trout in the spoiled milk.
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RE: Did the FBI and the DOJ, plot to clear Hillary Clinton, bring down Trump?
This is literally the dumbest thread in the history of this entire board. That includes every single lounge and team message board. Go back to russia you in American ass clowns
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RE: Did the FBI and the DOJ, plot to clear Hillary Clinton, bring down Trump?
(12-16-2017 12:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 12:27 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 12:13 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:55 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  The Plans
Quote:The mainstream media and Democrats dismiss talk of an anti-Trump conspiracy by the FBI and Justice Department as right-wing nonsense – paranoid fantasies of Trump supporters with no basis in facts. But there are plenty of facts that lay out a damning case based on circumstantial evidence.
Recently disclosed text messages between FBI Special Agent Peter Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page suggest there may have been two parts of the apparent anti-Trump plot.
“Part A” was to devise a way to exonerate Clinton, despite compelling evidence that she committed crimes under the Espionage Act in her mishandling of classified documents on her private email server.
Absolving Clinton cleared the way for her to continue her candidacy at a time when all polls and just about every pundit predicted she would be elected president in November 2016. If Clinton had been charged with crimes she would likely have been forced to drop her candidacy, and if she remained in the race her candidacy would have been doomed.
But “Part A” of the apparent anti-Trump plot was not enough. A back-up plan would be prudent. It seems the Obama Justice Department and FBI conjured up a “Part B” just in case the first stratagem failed. This would be even more malevolent – manufacturing an alleged crime supposedly committed by Trump where no crime exists in the law.
And so, armed with a fictitious justification, a criminal investigation was launched into so-called Trump-Russia “collusion.” It was always a mythical legal claim, since there is no statute prohibiting foreign nationals from volunteering their services in American political campaigns.
More importantly, there was never a scintilla of evidence that Trump collaborated with Russia to influence the election.
No matter. The intent may have been to sully the new president while searching for a crime to force him from office.
But thanks to the discovery of text messages, circumstantial evidence has been exposed.

Source? Assuming you are copying from somewhere, please annotate. I'd like to go there and read it myself, to see if there is more.

The attempt to "exonerate" Hillary was really pretty pathetic. It's not that she didn't commit crimes, in fact here are the crimes she committed. We just don't recommend prosecuting her for them.

I really think that backfired in a way. I think anybody who served in the armed services was offended. We went to training session after training session where it was drummed into us--you mishandle classified information, and you do 40 in Leavenworth. Then she mishandles it grossly, and nothing happened. I think a lot of people sat around VFW halls and talked about that, and the more they talked the more pissed off they got. And they talked to their blue collar buddies who were pissed off about jobs going overseas, and all of a sudden Hillary couldn't win Pennsylvania or Ohio or Michigan or Wisconsin.

HRC's many years in the public eye certainly created the baggage needed for a very unpopular and somewhat unhinged candidate like DJT to win the presidency. I don't doubt that there were many conversations at the VFW bar and many other bars for that right long those lines. I think most other possible Democratic candidates would have won in 2016. But a plot by the FBI and/or DOJ, no, just no. Not realistic. Comley's last days public announcement that they would be reopening the investigation to look at that laptop in fact probably was the nail in the coffin for HRC. Was that a conspiracy by the FBI to tip the scales to DJT favor? No, some want to say it was but it wasn't.

Comey had to re-open it and then close it quickly. He had FBI agents resigning left and right. When news of that got out, and it was perceived they were protecting Hillary, it could cause her to lose. He had to get out in front of it because Comey thought he was god.

nice spin
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RE: Did the FBI and the DOJ, plot to clear Hillary Clinton, bring down Trump?
(12-16-2017 12:09 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:51 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:35 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  You are very gullible.

And you are blind.

Are you this gullible? It is an attempt by Trump supporters to distract and discredit. To draw attention away from a very important investigation of the role played by foreign nations in the election process and any involvement by campaign officials.

Let the investigation run it's course.

You're kidding, right?
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RE: Did the FBI and the DOJ, plot to clear Hillary Clinton, bring down Trump?
(12-16-2017 04:37 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 12:09 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:51 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:35 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  You are very gullible.

And you are blind.

Are you this gullible? It is an attempt by Trump supporters to distract and discredit. To draw attention away from a very important investigation of the role played by foreign nations in the election process and any involvement by campaign officials.

Let the investigation run it's course.

You're kidding, right?

Believe me, he is not.
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(12-16-2017 04:23 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  This is literally the dumbest thread in the history of this entire board. That includes every single lounge and team message board. Go back to russia you in American ass clowns

This lib is one triggered fella today. Can someone interpret this line for me....

Quote:Go back to russia you in American ass clowns
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RE: Did the FBI and the DOJ, plot to clear Hillary Clinton, bring down Trump?
(12-16-2017 12:13 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:55 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  The Plans
Quote:The mainstream media and Democrats dismiss talk of an anti-Trump conspiracy by the FBI and Justice Department as right-wing nonsense – paranoid fantasies of Trump supporters with no basis in facts. But there are plenty of facts that lay out a damning case based on circumstantial evidence.
Recently disclosed text messages between FBI Special Agent Peter Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page suggest there may have been two parts of the apparent anti-Trump plot.
“Part A” was to devise a way to exonerate Clinton, despite compelling evidence that she committed crimes under the Espionage Act in her mishandling of classified documents on her private email server.
Absolving Clinton cleared the way for her to continue her candidacy at a time when all polls and just about every pundit predicted she would be elected president in November 2016. If Clinton had been charged with crimes she would likely have been forced to drop her candidacy, and if she remained in the race her candidacy would have been doomed.
But “Part A” of the apparent anti-Trump plot was not enough. A back-up plan would be prudent. It seems the Obama Justice Department and FBI conjured up a “Part B” just in case the first stratagem failed. This would be even more malevolent – manufacturing an alleged crime supposedly committed by Trump where no crime exists in the law.
And so, armed with a fictitious justification, a criminal investigation was launched into so-called Trump-Russia “collusion.” It was always a mythical legal claim, since there is no statute prohibiting foreign nationals from volunteering their services in American political campaigns.
More importantly, there was never a scintilla of evidence that Trump collaborated with Russia to influence the election.
No matter. The intent may have been to sully the new president while searching for a crime to force him from office.
But thanks to the discovery of text messages, circumstantial evidence has been exposed.

Source? Assuming you are copying from somewhere, please annotate. I'd like to go there and read it myself, to see if there is more.

The attempt to "exonerate" Hillary was really pretty pathetic. It's not that she didn't commit crimes, in fact here are the crimes she committed. We just don't recommend prosecuting her for them.

I really think that backfired in a way. I think anybody who served in the armed services was offended. We went to training session after training session where it was drummed into us--you mishandle classified information, and you do 40 in Leavenworth. Then she mishandles it grossly, and nothing happened. I think a lot of people sat around VFW halls and talked about that, and the more they talked the more pissed off they got. And they talked to their blue collar buddies who were pissed off about jobs going overseas, and all of a sudden Hillary couldn't win Pennsylvania or Ohio or Michigan or Wisconsin.
That is excellent analysis

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(12-16-2017 10:35 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 04:23 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  This is literally the dumbest thread in the history of this entire board. That includes every single lounge and team message board. Go back to russia you in American ass clowns

This lib is one triggered fella today. Can someone interpret this line for me....

Quote:Go back to russia you in American ass clowns

I honestly don't have enough liquor present to understand that.
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(12-17-2017 12:21 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 10:35 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 04:23 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  This is literally the dumbest thread in the history of this entire board. That includes every single lounge and team message board. Go back to russia you in American ass clowns

This lib is one triggered fella today. Can someone interpret this line for me....

Quote:Go back to russia you in American ass clowns

I honestly don't have enough liquor present to understand that.

I do along with some 4:20....

what he's saying is if one doesn't enjoy an all encompassing gruber-ment, then one is a demented POS that should have all incentive to achieve stripped away starting at the fingernails....it's pure irony what he thinks is happening in scope

he thinks the 'phants are mere crooks whilst supporting the real demons that keep his arse locked in the kennel of loserville 24/7/365.25

do not kid yourself....this is a real battle in simple numbers alone.....

after 8 yrs of total incompetence (and the decades that preceded ZERO's), I'm fairly certain why "hence, DJT" was critical (whether one like(d) his methodology or not)

once again, this battle has only begun.......ol' boy put 'em all in the pen w/o gloves......blood had to be shed.....

this isn't mere drama queens spewing mildewed stew.......they don't have an out.....and they know it.....

that's a real ******* problem whether one likes it or not......you either believe in DJT's long term economic policy, or you toss hands in the air and wander in the desert w/o a canteen....

#dogsarehungry

#backedinthecorner

#numbersofdogsaregrowing
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(12-16-2017 04:23 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  This is literally the dumbest thread in the history of this entire board.

Nope. This is merely a daily exercise. Stay tuned, they will post a new dumb conspiracy today. 05-stirthepot
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(12-17-2017 10:55 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 04:23 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  This is literally the dumbest thread in the history of this entire board.

Nope. This is merely a daily exercise. Stay tuned, they will post a new dumb conspiracy today. 05-stirthepot

You must be planning on starting new threads today.
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(12-17-2017 10:55 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 04:23 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  This is literally the dumbest thread in the history of this entire board.

Nope. This is merely a daily exercise. Stay tuned, they will post a new dumb conspiracy today. 05-stirthepot

not today....the donald's takin' a break at camp davy with his hairstylist....

#nofrills

#onlyweavefillsonthissabbath

at least your alter ego has some semblance of a sense of humor about all of this....that's a diamond in the rough from the left....
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Mo Fo’s going Brazile. This was ALL to help Trump and make the process fair!
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