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(12-16-2017 01:27 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 12:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 12:01 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:43 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.
But words don't prove conduct. He's a blowhard braggart. We know that. We also knew that a lot of locker room bragging about sexual exploits were things that never really happened. At least that was true in the locker rooms where I was, admittedly at least in part because I was there.
He said he walked in on the girls in the changing rooms and looked at them naked. Numerous contestants confirmed that he did this when they were there. Miss NC was one that spoke up about this. So you have his word and the word of others. He claimed he grabbed women by the ***** and we have several women that say that they had their ***** grabbed by him. One in particular that says she was in Studio 54 sitting down beside some guy she didn't know and before she knew what was happening he had run his hand up her leg and was trying to finger her. She grabbed his hand and got up as fast as she could and got away from him. She told others what had just happened and was told that that was Donald Trump. Her story isn't unique. He says he just comes up to women and starts kissing them because he can. Numerous women relate this story, including a former Fox news reporter that said she got on an elevator with him and he just starts trying to kiss her.
You have to be pretty naive or tribal to discount all of this.

On a scale of 1 to 10, where do you rank his indiscretions compared to Ted "Blonde in the Pond" Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Al Franken, and Roy Moore?

Not trying to evade at ll, I just think we need some perspective. Copping a look or feel is different from actually raping someone. Both are bad. I'm just saying we need to draw a line at what we will let people get away with, and what we won't. And then we need to apply that consistently. So what is your line?
Well Trump is accused of more than groping but it remains to be seen if those more serious accusations have merit. It has been alleged that he raped a teenager.
Clinton has been accused of rape as well, but again the merit of the accusation is in question. He definitely used his power to manipulate and take advantage of women sexually.
Kennedy. The death of Mary Jo K. puts him in a category all his own.
Hastert (spell) is a child molester so he goes in there with Kennedy.
Moore is simply put a pervert. A grown ass man that chases 14-18 year old girls, and they are girls, not women has mental / social / emotional issues that should have been addressed long ago. He had grabby hands as well while presenting himself as someone with high moral values. He used his power to try and get what he wanted.
Craig from a few years back is another pervert. He can be bisexual or homosexual all he wants but sex with random strangers in public places is sick.
Franken needed to keep his hands off women. It is bad but not as bad as some of the others.
The use of position / power for sex is the big issue. They all need to be called out and face consequences. Lock the rapists up, kick the grabbers out or don't allow them in. But of course that is much easier said than done and there will be shades of gray that make it difficult to judge fairly. That doesn't mean we do nothing however.

Generally agree with those, although the plural of allegation is not evidence. I would differentiate between alleged and proved in all cases.

The class by himself that Teddy was placed in was "Lion of the Senate." That is probably the most troubling of all to me. We have the same people attacking Moore and Trump on allegations who gave Teddy a complete pass and idolized him.

Suppose I posit a rule that says any body who did anything as bad as Teddy gets the same punishment as Teddy got? We are a nation of precedent in enforcing our laws, right? How do you think Teddy would fare if still alive, in this current environment?

I have a hard time coming down on Franken, when compared to Teddy.
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Solomon: If the money given to these woman was meant to influence the election (the rise in money offered up to the point of the election day "deadline" prove that it was), they could be considered campaign donations and possibly illegal.

Oh!
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(12-16-2017 01:54 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Solomon: If the money given to these woman was meant to influence the election, they could be considered campaign donations and possibly illegal.

Oh!

Glad Trump went to the FBI academy to personal greet the new agents. Sounds like they are going to be really busy. 03-lmfao
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(12-15-2017 06:13 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 06:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Three guesses.
Who is Lisa Bloom' s mother?

Gloria Alread...of course

Anytime I see a news story and Gloria Allred is sitting next to a woman "sharing her story," I completely dismiss those accusations in my mind. That probably isn't right but Allred doesn't have any credibility with me. I think these women would do better to seek different representation.
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RE: BUSTED: Trump's Fake Accusers Were Paid
(12-16-2017 01:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:43 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.

But words don't prove conduct. He's a blowhard braggart. We know that. We also knew that a lot of locker room bragging about sexual exploits were things that never really happened. At least that was true in the locker rooms where I was, admittedly at least in part because I was there.

There is a long list of women who have stated he has followed through on his verbal exploits.

Here's the thing for me -- regardless of who the person is, accusations are nothing more than accusations. You don't get convicted of a crime simply due to accusations.

If a person is accused I can't do anything other than speculate. I don't know the factual truth of the circumstance of the event.

If a person who is accused comes out and admits it, then I'll believe him. I still don't know the factual truth but now both the stories of the accuser and the accused agree. Even outside of a trial I'll go with that.

If a person is accused and they maintain their innocence then it's still a she-said/he-said. I still don't know the factual truth.

If it comes out that the accuser lied then I have to disregard the accusations. I still don't know the factual truth, but now the accusation has been proven false.

If it comes out that a 3rd party has been lining up accusers with the motive of personal profit, I disregard them immediately. I still don't know the factual truth, but there's too much corruption involved to be taken seriously.
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RE: BUSTED: Trump's Fake Accusers Were Paid
(12-16-2017 01:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:43 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.
But words don't prove conduct. He's a blowhard braggart. We know that. We also knew that a lot of locker room bragging about sexual exploits were things that never really happened. At least that was true in the locker rooms where I was, admittedly at least in part because I was there.
There is a long list of women who have stated he has followed through on his verbal exploits.

The plural of allegation is not evidence.
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RE: BUSTED: Trump's Fake Accusers Were Paid
(12-16-2017 02:37 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 01:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:43 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.
But words don't prove conduct. He's a blowhard braggart. We know that. We also knew that a lot of locker room bragging about sexual exploits were things that never really happened. At least that was true in the locker rooms where I was, admittedly at least in part because I was there.
There is a long list of women who have stated he has followed through on his verbal exploits.

The plural of allegation is not evidence.
1 accuser = probably guilty
5 accuser = more likely than not guilty
20 accuser = guilty
50 accuser = execution on the spot.

Note-:all must weigh more than a duck on Tuesday when the moon is waxing.
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RE: BUSTED: Trump's Fake Accusers Were Paid
(12-16-2017 01:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:43 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.

But words don't prove conduct. He's a blowhard braggart. We know that. We also knew that a lot of locker room bragging about sexual exploits were things that never really happened. At least that was true in the locker rooms where I was, admittedly at least in part because I was there.

There is a long list of women who have stated he has followed through on his verbal exploits.
And it would appear these women were paid to say that. Give it up man, we've already tried Trump in the court of public opinion, and he won. There's no do overs.
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(12-16-2017 01:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  How much you wanna bet Moore's accusers were paid too

Of course they were. Democrats need to do whatever's possible and the illegality of it doesn't bother them in the least. Come on, admit the best candidate they've ever run loses to a political beginner, and a lot of people start to wonder about the need for a Democrat party. This is nothing more than survival.
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(12-16-2017 02:31 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 06:13 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 06:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Three guesses.
Who is Lisa Bloom' s mother?

Gloria Alread...of course

Anytime I see a news story and Gloria Allred is sitting next to a woman "sharing her story," I completely dismiss those accusations in my mind. That probably isn't right but Allred doesn't have any credibility with me. I think these women would do better to seek different representation.
When I look up ambulance chasing shyster in the dictionary, Gloria Allreds picture appears. She is all that people hate about lawyers.
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You guys love Fox News and info wars. Take off the tin Foil hats geniuses
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(12-16-2017 02:31 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 06:13 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 06:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Three guesses.
Who is Lisa Bloom' s mother?

Gloria Alread...of course

Anytime I see a news story and Gloria Allred is sitting next to a woman "sharing her story," I completely dismiss those accusations in my mind. That probably isn't right but Allred doesn't have any credibility with me. I think these women would do better to seek different representation.

She probably does more harm than good. It always seems to be all about her when she gets involved and the accuser loses credibility.
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(12-16-2017 04:26 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  You guys love Fox News and info wars. Take off the tin Foil hats geniuses

The fact that this is the edited, improved version is awesome.
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(12-16-2017 03:35 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 02:31 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 06:13 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 06:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Three guesses.
Who is Lisa Bloom' s mother?

Gloria Alread...of course

Anytime I see a news story and Gloria Allred is sitting next to a woman "sharing her story," I completely dismiss those accusations in my mind. That probably isn't right but Allred doesn't have any credibility with me. I think these women would do better to seek different representation.
When I look up ambulance chasing shyster in the dictionary, Gloria Allreds picture appears. She is all that people hate about lawyers.

Only she's worse than most ambulance chasers because she tries to pass herself off as some kind of champion of the abused and downtrodden.
When in reality she's just a Hollywood level ambulance chaser...an opportunist in pursuit of fame and wealth who happens to have a JD.
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(12-16-2017 01:38 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 01:27 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 12:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 12:01 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But words don't prove conduct. He's a blowhard braggart. We know that. We also knew that a lot of locker room bragging about sexual exploits were things that never really happened. At least that was true in the locker rooms where I was, admittedly at least in part because I was there.
He said he walked in on the girls in the changing rooms and looked at them naked. Numerous contestants confirmed that he did this when they were there. Miss NC was one that spoke up about this. So you have his word and the word of others. He claimed he grabbed women by the ***** and we have several women that say that they had their ***** grabbed by him. One in particular that says she was in Studio 54 sitting down beside some guy she didn't know and before she knew what was happening he had run his hand up her leg and was trying to finger her. She grabbed his hand and got up as fast as she could and got away from him. She told others what had just happened and was told that that was Donald Trump. Her story isn't unique. He says he just comes up to women and starts kissing them because he can. Numerous women relate this story, including a former Fox news reporter that said she got on an elevator with him and he just starts trying to kiss her.
You have to be pretty naive or tribal to discount all of this.

On a scale of 1 to 10, where do you rank his indiscretions compared to Ted "Blonde in the Pond" Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Al Franken, and Roy Moore?

Not trying to evade at ll, I just think we need some perspective. Copping a look or feel is different from actually raping someone. Both are bad. I'm just saying we need to draw a line at what we will let people get away with, and what we won't. And then we need to apply that consistently. So what is your line?
Well Trump is accused of more than groping but it remains to be seen if those more serious accusations have merit. It has been alleged that he raped a teenager.
Clinton has been accused of rape as well, but again the merit of the accusation is in question. He definitely used his power to manipulate and take advantage of women sexually.
Kennedy. The death of Mary Jo K. puts him in a category all his own.
Hastert (spell) is a child molester so he goes in there with Kennedy.
Moore is simply put a pervert. A grown ass man that chases 14-18 year old girls, and they are girls, not women has mental / social / emotional issues that should have been addressed long ago. He had grabby hands as well while presenting himself as someone with high moral values. He used his power to try and get what he wanted.
Craig from a few years back is another pervert. He can be bisexual or homosexual all he wants but sex with random strangers in public places is sick.
Franken needed to keep his hands off women. It is bad but not as bad as some of the others.
The use of position / power for sex is the big issue. They all need to be called out and face consequences. Lock the rapists up, kick the grabbers out or don't allow them in. But of course that is much easier said than done and there will be shades of gray that make it difficult to judge fairly. That doesn't mean we do nothing however.

Generally agree with those, although the plural of allegation is not evidence. I would differentiate between alleged and proved in all cases.

The class by himself that Teddy was placed in was "Lion of the Senate." That is probably the most troubling of all to me. We have the same people attacking Moore and Trump on allegations who gave Teddy a complete pass and idolized him.

Suppose I posit a rule that says any body who did anything as bad as Teddy gets the same punishment as Teddy got? We are a nation of precedent in enforcing our laws, right? How do you think Teddy would fare if still alive, in this current environment?

I have a hard time coming down on Franken, when compared to Teddy.

Where Franken truly crossed the line in my mind was giving that photo to the woman. That was a threat. Forcing his tongue down her mouth was pretty bad, but following up with a threat is borderline criminal. Not Teddy criminal, but pretty bad.
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(12-16-2017 04:26 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  You guys love Fox News and info wars. Take off the tin Foil hats geniuses

Of course its all reported on the Hill, which is a Democratic leaning publication, but your brainwashing would probably cause you to consider that tin foil too.
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(12-16-2017 03:04 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 02:37 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 01:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 11:43 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.
But words don't prove conduct. He's a blowhard braggart. We know that. We also knew that a lot of locker room bragging about sexual exploits were things that never really happened. At least that was true in the locker rooms where I was, admittedly at least in part because I was there.
There is a long list of women who have stated he has followed through on his verbal exploits.

The plural of allegation is not evidence.
1 accuser = probably guilty
5 accuser = more likely than not guilty
20 accuser = guilty
50 accuser = execution on the spot.

Note-:all must weigh more than a duck on Tuesday when the moon is waxing.

Salem witch trials.
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Well this isn't a criminal trial so the burden of proof isn't that high. No one is putting these guys in jail just putting them in the spotlight, trying to shame them, hoping people will hold it against them when they vote, or if already holding office applying enough pressure to get them to resign.

Apply a little common sense. Trump has admitted, he in general terms, over the last couple of decades that he does these things. Heck a Howard Stern can get him to admit most anything by first stroking his ego then throwing out a question. Listen to the tapes.
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(12-16-2017 11:34 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Well this isn't a criminal trial so the burden of proof isn't that high. No one is putting these guys in jail just putting them in the spotlight, trying to shame them, hoping people will hold it against them when they vote, or if already holding office applying enough pressure to get them to resign.

Apply a little common sense. Trump has admitted, he in general terms, over the last couple of decades that he does these things. Heck a Howard Stern can get him to admit most anything by first stroking his ego then throwing out a question. Listen to the tapes.

There should be a little common sense applied to these allegations. Its pretty hard to trust someone who is paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to tell their story. You KNOW at the least there is significant embellishing to please the payor.

And there should be a different standard applied to someone in the private sector than a politician. The career of someone in the private sector shouldn't be ended without convincing proof, not just allegations (hence the Salem witch hunt comment). At the same time, you have to have a lot more skepticism about claims against politicians.
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(12-15-2017 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Of course there way paid. They were paid by Trump to keep quiet.

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