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RE: The deal is done: Disney purchases 21st Century Fox
(12-14-2017 10:04 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
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(12-14-2017 12:42 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If the House of Mouse owns the media rights to nearly every power school, would they consider "recommending" schools to shift around and create an 8-team playoff? Traditional and/or regionalized conferences + ND, no guaranteed playoff spots. I understand that some of these schools wouldn't be happy to move, but perhaps they could be convin$ed.

PAC: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
SWC: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Arkansas
Big 8: Colorado, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Missouri, Nebraska, Iowa St
SEC: LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida
B1G: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St
ACC: Florida St, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, Maryland
East: Miami, Louisville, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Penn St, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College
Independent: Notre Dame

I've said it on here before, but South Carolina will never, ever go back to the ACC under any circumstances. If we got kicked out of the SEC we would go to whatever version of the Big 12 remained, or go Independent/American before doing that.
Same goes for Missouri. They would disband the program first.

The point is taken, but that is a little dramatic lol
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RE: The deal is done: Disney purchases 21st Century Fox
(12-14-2017 04:19 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 03:49 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 12:42 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If the House of Mouse owns the media rights to nearly every power school, would they consider "recommending" schools to shift around and create an 8-team playoff? Traditional and/or regionalized conferences + ND, no guaranteed playoff spots. I understand that some of these schools wouldn't be happy to move, but perhaps they could be convin$ed.

PAC: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
SWC: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Arkansas
Big 8: Colorado, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Missouri, Nebraska, Iowa St
SEC: LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida
B1G: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St
ACC: Florida St, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, Maryland
East: Miami, Louisville, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Penn St, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College
Independent: Notre Dame

I've said it on here before, but South Carolina will never, ever go back to the ACC under any circumstances. If we got kicked out of the SEC we would go to whatever version of the Big 12 remained, or go Independent/American before doing that.

Are you $ure?

I mean, maybe in 100 years or something but I guarantee you the board of trustees is 100% united on this issue as is 99% of the fanbase (the 1% all being casual fans in their 70s and 80s that just miss the old ACC basketball tourneys).

It was an ugly breakup and South Carolinians are notoriously bitter and indignant. We started the Civil War for Christ's sake

It will never happen, we would go independent and wouldn't really think twice about it.
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RE: The deal is done: Disney purchases 21st Century Fox
(12-14-2017 08:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 04:19 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 03:49 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 12:42 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If the House of Mouse owns the media rights to nearly every power school, would they consider "recommending" schools to shift around and create an 8-team playoff? Traditional and/or regionalized conferences + ND, no guaranteed playoff spots. I understand that some of these schools wouldn't be happy to move, but perhaps they could be convin$ed.

PAC: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
SWC: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Arkansas
Big 8: Colorado, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Missouri, Nebraska, Iowa St
SEC: LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida
B1G: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St
ACC: Florida St, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, Maryland
East: Miami, Louisville, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Penn St, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College
Independent: Notre Dame

I've said it on here before, but South Carolina will never, ever go back to the ACC under any circumstances. If we got kicked out of the SEC we would go to whatever version of the Big 12 remained, or go Independent/American before doing that.

Are you $ure?

South Carolina tried to re-join the ACC twice and we know for a fact that Eric Hyman was holding talks with Swofford about that possibility too.

Yeah, that never actually happened.

Whatever sort of rumors got floated only got floated because Hyman was a part of the old UNC network and he was throwing his friends Swofford and Cunningham a bone when it looked like the ACC was in trouble. Hyman did some good things but frequently clashed with the BOT and donors for many reasons.

The other two times SC made overtures were under different ADs that also had old sympathetic ties to the ACC (like King Dixon, who was a disaster as AD and was forced by the BOT into accepting the SEC deal).

It will never, ever, ever, happen.
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RE: The deal is done: Disney purchases 21st Century Fox
(12-15-2017 10:53 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 08:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 04:19 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 03:49 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 12:42 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If the House of Mouse owns the media rights to nearly every power school, would they consider "recommending" schools to shift around and create an 8-team playoff? Traditional and/or regionalized conferences + ND, no guaranteed playoff spots. I understand that some of these schools wouldn't be happy to move, but perhaps they could be convin$ed.

PAC: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
SWC: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Arkansas
Big 8: Colorado, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Missouri, Nebraska, Iowa St
SEC: LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida
B1G: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St
ACC: Florida St, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, Maryland
East: Miami, Louisville, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Penn St, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College
Independent: Notre Dame

I've said it on here before, but South Carolina will never, ever go back to the ACC under any circumstances. If we got kicked out of the SEC we would go to whatever version of the Big 12 remained, or go Independent/American before doing that.

Are you $ure?

South Carolina tried to re-join the ACC twice and we know for a fact that Eric Hyman was holding talks with Swofford about that possibility too.

Yeah, that never actually happened.

Whatever sort of rumors got floated only got floated because Hyman was a part of the old UNC network and he was throwing his friends Swofford and Cunningham a bone when it looked like the ACC was in trouble. Hyman did some good things but frequently clashed with the BOT and donors for many reasons.

The other two times SC made overtures were under different ADs that also had old sympathetic ties to the ACC (like King Dixon, who was a disaster as AD and was forced by the BOT into accepting the SEC deal).

It will never, ever, ever, happen.

1) What happened happened, it's nothing to be ashamed of.
2) I know for a fact that Hyman was meeting with Swofford about South Carolina re-joining the ACC. BTW it was before Cunningham came to Carolina.
3) If ESPN decides to pay for South Carolina to move to the ACC...it will happen.
4) All that being said, I think that at this particular point in time, it is unlikely.
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RE: The deal is done: Disney purchases 21st Century Fox
(12-15-2017 02:56 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 10:53 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 08:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 04:19 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 03:49 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  I've said it on here before, but South Carolina will never, ever go back to the ACC under any circumstances. If we got kicked out of the SEC we would go to whatever version of the Big 12 remained, or go Independent/American before doing that.

Are you $ure?

South Carolina tried to re-join the ACC twice and we know for a fact that Eric Hyman was holding talks with Swofford about that possibility too.

Yeah, that never actually happened.

Whatever sort of rumors got floated only got floated because Hyman was a part of the old UNC network and he was throwing his friends Swofford and Cunningham a bone when it looked like the ACC was in trouble. Hyman did some good things but frequently clashed with the BOT and donors for many reasons.

The other two times SC made overtures were under different ADs that also had old sympathetic ties to the ACC (like King Dixon, who was a disaster as AD and was forced by the BOT into accepting the SEC deal).

It will never, ever, ever, happen.

1) What happened happened, it's nothing to be ashamed of.
2) I know for a fact that Hyman was meeting with Swofford about South Carolina re-joining the ACC. BTW it was before Cunningham came to Carolina.
3) If ESPN decides to pay for South Carolina to move to the ACC...it will happen.
4) All that being said, I think that at this particular point in time, it is unlikely.

Again - it will never happen in our lifetime.

If such a meeting did occur, which I seriously doubt, Hyman would have been doing it on his own without the support of the BOT. Hyman is long gone, Tanner and Pastides are extremely pro SEC, and the fanbase/BOT are in complete unison in supporting the SEC. This has only become stronger in the last decade as SC has become more competitive.

If push came to shove SC would take their ball and go home before being coerced by ESPN

Besides that, the SEC would never agree to it and ESPN would have no reason to even force it. The whole idea is preposterous on several levels. The fact is SC has been out of the ACC for almost 50 years and was only ever in it for 15 years in the first place
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Let's get back on track shall we. ESPN now holds the T3 on everyone in the Big 12 except WVU and ISU.

I pointed out months ago that if ESPN picked up all of the Texas products' rights and that of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State they would control in those schools 32 million viewers.

If ESPN follows suit they'll likely make the move to place those schools in the SEC/ACC.

Forget the Big 10 for a moment and forget the PAC.

By taking the SEC and ACC to 18 ESPN can set their markets for the two respective networks.

Maybe you see a move like Baylor, Texas, T.C.U. and Notre Dame to the ACC, and Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Kansas to the SEC. Why? Because football popularity is the strongest in the Southeast and that product lineup will last the longest as the sport begins to fade.

SEC:

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee

ACC:

Baylor, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Texas, T.C.U.

Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Wake Forest

Boston College, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech


This groups the major brands and population centers into 6 competitive divisions and covers the states in which football experiences its greatest number of recruits, greatest following in terms of attendance and viewership, and greatest overall popularity and participation.

With divisions like these set among the two main college sports properties in ESPN's possession it will set the table long term to be successful even if football contracts.

The few major programs likely to continue to pump money into the sport are in the Big 10 and those could be easily assimilated into these two groupings (or redivided with them) at a later time if need be. (Ohio State, Iowa, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin)
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RE: The deal is done: Disney purchases 21st Century Fox
(12-17-2017 03:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Let's get back on track shall we. ESPN now holds the T3 on everyone in the Big 12 except WVU and ISU.

I pointed out months ago that if ESPN picked up all of the Texas products' rights and that of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State they would control in those schools 32 million viewers.

If ESPN follows suit they'll likely make the move to place those schools in the SEC/ACC.

Forget the Big 10 for a moment and forget the PAC.

By taking the SEC and ACC to 18 ESPN can set their markets for the two respective networks.

Maybe you see a move like Baylor, Texas, T.C.U. and Notre Dame to the ACC, and Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Kansas to the SEC. Why? Because football popularity is the strongest in the Southeast and that product lineup will last the longest as the sport begins to fade.

SEC:

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee

ACC:

Baylor, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Texas, T.C.U.

Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Wake Forest

Boston College, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech


This groups the major brands and population centers into 6 competitive divisions and covers the states in which football experiences its greatest number of recruits, greatest following in terms of attendance and viewership, and greatest overall popularity and participation.

With divisions like these set among the two main college sports properties in ESPN's possession it will set the table long term to be successful even if football contracts.

The few major programs likely to continue to pump money into the sport are in the Big 10 and those could be easily assimilated into these two groupings (or redivided with them) at a later time if need be. (Ohio State, Iowa, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin)

I don't think you would get too many complaints from our side of the ledger with that configuration.
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RE: The deal is done: Disney purchases 21st Century Fox
(12-17-2017 05:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 03:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Let's get back on track shall we. ESPN now holds the T3 on everyone in the Big 12 except WVU and ISU.

I pointed out months ago that if ESPN picked up all of the Texas products' rights and that of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State they would control in those schools 32 million viewers.

If ESPN follows suit they'll likely make the move to place those schools in the SEC/ACC.

Forget the Big 10 for a moment and forget the PAC.

By taking the SEC and ACC to 18 ESPN can set their markets for the two respective networks.

Maybe you see a move like Baylor, Texas, T.C.U. and Notre Dame to the ACC, and Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Kansas to the SEC. Why? Because football popularity is the strongest in the Southeast and that product lineup will last the longest as the sport begins to fade.

SEC:

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee

ACC:

Baylor, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Texas, T.C.U.

Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Wake Forest

Boston College, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech


This groups the major brands and population centers into 6 competitive divisions and covers the states in which football experiences its greatest number of recruits, greatest following in terms of attendance and viewership, and greatest overall popularity and participation.

With divisions like these set among the two main college sports properties in ESPN's possession it will set the table long term to be successful even if football contracts.

The few major programs likely to continue to pump money into the sport are in the Big 10 and those could be easily assimilated into these two groupings (or redivided with them) at a later time if need be. (Ohio State, Iowa, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin)

I don't think you would get too many complaints from our side of the ledger with that configuration.

Looks good except Clemson would likely have to choose between FSU and GT as a permanent rival. The GT series has nearly 90 games played and the FSU game has become a great rivalry, especially the past 10 years.
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(12-18-2017 03:31 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 05:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 03:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Let's get back on track shall we. ESPN now holds the T3 on everyone in the Big 12 except WVU and ISU.

I pointed out months ago that if ESPN picked up all of the Texas products' rights and that of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State they would control in those schools 32 million viewers.

If ESPN follows suit they'll likely make the move to place those schools in the SEC/ACC.

Forget the Big 10 for a moment and forget the PAC.

By taking the SEC and ACC to 18 ESPN can set their markets for the two respective networks.

Maybe you see a move like Baylor, Texas, T.C.U. and Notre Dame to the ACC, and Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Kansas to the SEC. Why? Because football popularity is the strongest in the Southeast and that product lineup will last the longest as the sport begins to fade.

SEC:

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee

ACC:

Baylor, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Texas, T.C.U.

Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Wake Forest

Boston College, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech


This groups the major brands and population centers into 6 competitive divisions and covers the states in which football experiences its greatest number of recruits, greatest following in terms of attendance and viewership, and greatest overall popularity and participation.

With divisions like these set among the two main college sports properties in ESPN's possession it will set the table long term to be successful even if football contracts.

The few major programs likely to continue to pump money into the sport are in the Big 10 and those could be easily assimilated into these two groupings (or redivided with them) at a later time if need be. (Ohio State, Iowa, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin)

I don't think you would get too many complaints from our side of the ledger with that configuration.

Looks good except Clemson would likely have to choose between FSU and GT as a permanent rival. The GT series has nearly 90 games played and the FSU game has become a great rivalry, especially the past 10 years.

Until the ACC has 4 dogs in the hunt every year it would be far better for your conference to have Clemson and F.S.U. meeting in the Conference Title series than in the regular season. It does more to showcase the ACC than an in season annual loss for one of them.
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RE: The deal is done: Disney purchases 21st Century Fox
(12-18-2017 04:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-18-2017 03:31 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 05:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 03:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Let's get back on track shall we. ESPN now holds the T3 on everyone in the Big 12 except WVU and ISU.

I pointed out months ago that if ESPN picked up all of the Texas products' rights and that of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State they would control in those schools 32 million viewers.

If ESPN follows suit they'll likely make the move to place those schools in the SEC/ACC.

Forget the Big 10 for a moment and forget the PAC.

By taking the SEC and ACC to 18 ESPN can set their markets for the two respective networks.

Maybe you see a move like Baylor, Texas, T.C.U. and Notre Dame to the ACC, and Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Kansas to the SEC. Why? Because football popularity is the strongest in the Southeast and that product lineup will last the longest as the sport begins to fade.

SEC:

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee

ACC:

Baylor, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Texas, T.C.U.

Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Wake Forest

Boston College, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech


This groups the major brands and population centers into 6 competitive divisions and covers the states in which football experiences its greatest number of recruits, greatest following in terms of attendance and viewership, and greatest overall popularity and participation.

With divisions like these set among the two main college sports properties in ESPN's possession it will set the table long term to be successful even if football contracts.

The few major programs likely to continue to pump money into the sport are in the Big 10 and those could be easily assimilated into these two groupings (or redivided with them) at a later time if need be. (Ohio State, Iowa, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin)

I don't think you would get too many complaints from our side of the ledger with that configuration.

Looks good except Clemson would likely have to choose between FSU and GT as a permanent rival. The GT series has nearly 90 games played and the FSU game has become a great rivalry, especially the past 10 years.

Until the ACC has 4 dogs in the hunt every year it would be far better for your conference to have Clemson and F.S.U. meeting in the Conference Title series than in the regular season. It does more to showcase the ACC than an in season annual loss for one of them.

Don't forget to send your consultant fee to Swofford. The SEC typically has more teams in the hunt than the rest of the P5, but in reality, no conference has 4 in the hunt every year. The SEC got 2 in the CFP this year, which is awesome and has never been done before. However, it didn't happen in a box - a Wisconsin win over OSU would have relegated Alabama to the NY6 (not a bad consolation prize by any means). The SEC technically had 3 in the picture, but the reality was that it would be no more than 2 in the CFP since the SEC title game was essentially a play in game for the CFP. The ACC had 2 (Clemson and Miami) in the hunt until Miami tripped against Pitt in the last game of regular season. The rest of the ACC was down from last year (i.e. very top-heavy this year). I would also say the SEC was a little top heavy, especially in the east. UGa is an outstanding team, but the SEC east has been very, very weak for several years. The west is pretty darn solid, with Auburn and Alabama leading the pack. I wouldn't put LSU in the same category as them, but they are nonetheless a quality team.
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