(12-13-2017 03:23 PM)Tiger57 Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 02:17 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  That’s the sum ‘it’s a bad fit’

Tubby isn’t a terrible coach; he just doesn’t fit the Memphis bb program needs

Memphis is a great bb program but doesn’t fit Tubby’s style

I agree with this

Based on the evidence to date I agree. Let's see what happens the rest of the year.

(12-13-2017 03:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 03:15 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 02:17 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  That’s the sum ‘it’s a bad fit’

Tubby isn’t a terrible coach; he just doesn’t fit the Memphis bb program needs

Memphis is a great bb program but doesn’t fit Tubby’s style

Far assessment. Different coaches are good for different programs.

Pastner: good coach, bad fit
Tubby: good coach, bad fit

What are the traits (not a name, but traits) a new Memphis coach should have?

Some that come to mind:

1. Enjoys, or at least values recruiting
2. Can speak to the players recruiting, can connect with Memphis talent on a personal level.
3. Runs a high energy, aggressive system that takes advantage of the natural talent (quick talented guards) that is the base of Memphis' recruiting base.
4. Understands what the fans want, and what the expectations are (quality aggressive hoops, with a 2nd weekend NCAA trip every 3rd year or so).

I mean, if I had to pick a name, I'd love Shaka Smart, but I'd love to be rich too and that's also not happening.

Anyone else got ideas on traits the new Memphis coach should have post-Tubby (whenever that is)?

Simple. You need to recruit well and that includes keeping local talent. Memphis fans pride themselves that top 100 local/regional recruits stay home. Even Calipari kept some local talent as well as recruiting players out of the state. Just be decent in coaching and you can win 20+ games every year.

One of the easiest jobs in the country.

I don't think it is one of the easiest jobs in the country. It has it's challenges (local players come with families that have to be managed, even I would admit we are a relatively demanding fanbase, and the TV exposure is good, but not great).

But, we do have a generous donor base and passionate fans who will back a team that is good enough to warrant full buy in. Plus the natural recruiting base is solid gold.

It's not an easy job I would say, but a job that would look easy in the right hands...

But it's a damn GOOD job. And you nailed the reasons why!

(12-13-2017 03:17 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 03:15 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 02:17 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  That’s the sum ‘it’s a bad fit’

Tubby isn’t a terrible coach; he just doesn’t fit the Memphis bb program needs

Memphis is a great bb program but doesn’t fit Tubby’s style

Far assessment. Different coaches are good for different programs.

Pastner: good coach, bad fit
Tubby: good coach, bad fit

What are the traits (not a name, but traits) a new Memphis coach should have?

Some that come to mind:

1. Enjoys, or at least values recruiting
2. Can speak to the players recruiting, can connect with Memphis talent on a personal level.
3. Runs a high energy, aggressive system that takes advantage of the natural talent (quick talented guards) that is the base of Memphis' recruiting base.
4. Understands what the fans want, and what the expectations are (quality aggressive hoops, with a 2nd weekend NCAA trip every 3rd year or so).

I mean, if I had to pick a name, I'd love Shaka Smart, but I'd love to be rich too and that's also not happening.

Anyone else got ideas on traits the new Memphis coach should have post-Tubby (whenever that is)?

5. played in the NBA
6. has nikes named after him

Who could that be ?

(12-13-2017 04:40 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 03:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 03:15 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 02:17 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  That’s the sum ‘it’s a bad fit’

Tubby isn’t a terrible coach; he just doesn’t fit the Memphis bb program needs

Memphis is a great bb program but doesn’t fit Tubby’s style

Far assessment. Different coaches are good for different programs.

Pastner: good coach, bad fit
Tubby: good coach, bad fit

What are the traits (not a name, but traits) a new Memphis coach should have?

Some that come to mind:

1. Enjoys, or at least values recruiting
2. Can speak to the players recruiting, can connect with Memphis talent on a personal level.
3. Runs a high energy, aggressive system that takes advantage of the natural talent (quick talented guards) that is the base of Memphis' recruiting base.
4. Understands what the fans want, and what the expectations are (quality aggressive hoops, with a 2nd weekend NCAA trip every 3rd year or so).

I mean, if I had to pick a name, I'd love Shaka Smart, but I'd love to be rich too and that's also not happening.

Anyone else got ideas on traits the new Memphis coach should have post-Tubby (whenever that is)?

Simple. You need to recruit well and that includes keeping local talent. Memphis fans pride themselves that top 100 local/regional recruits stay home. Even Calipari kept some local talent as well as recruiting players out of the state. Just be decent in coaching and you can win 20+ games every year.

One of the easiest jobs in the country.

I don't think it is one of the easiest jobs in the country. It has it's challenges (local players come with families that have to be managed, even I would admit we are a relatively demanding fanbase, and the TV exposure is good, but not great).

But, we do have a generous donor base and passionate fans who will back a team that is good enough to warrant full buy in. Plus the natural recruiting base is solid gold.

It's not an easy job I would say, but a job that would look easy in the right hands...

But it's a damn GOOD job. And you nailed the reasons why!

It is one of the easiest jobs purely basketball-wise and yes, I figured someone was going to bring up the administrating skills as far as dealing with parents etc but I was talking about just recruiting and being a coach on the court, it’s not s hard job

(12-13-2017 04:42 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 03:17 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 03:15 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 02:17 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  That’s the sum ‘it’s a bad fit’

Tubby isn’t a terrible coach; he just doesn’t fit the Memphis bb program needs

Memphis is a great bb program but doesn’t fit Tubby’s style

Far assessment. Different coaches are good for different programs.

Pastner: good coach, bad fit
Tubby: good coach, bad fit

What are the traits (not a name, but traits) a new Memphis coach should have?

Some that come to mind:

1. Enjoys, or at least values recruiting
2. Can speak to the players recruiting, can connect with Memphis talent on a personal level.
3. Runs a high energy, aggressive system that takes advantage of the natural talent (quick talented guards) that is the base of Memphis' recruiting base.
4. Understands what the fans want, and what the expectations are (quality aggressive hoops, with a 2nd weekend NCAA trip every 3rd year or so).

I mean, if I had to pick a name, I'd love Shaka Smart, but I'd love to be rich too and that's also not happening.

Anyone else got ideas on traits the new Memphis coach should have post-Tubby (whenever that is)?

5. played in the NBA
6. has nikes named after him

Who could that be ?

Michael Jordan?

(12-13-2017 04:58 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 04:40 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 03:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 03:15 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 02:17 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  That’s the sum ‘it’s a bad fit’

Tubby isn’t a terrible coach; he just doesn’t fit the Memphis bb program needs

Memphis is a great bb program but doesn’t fit Tubby’s style

Far assessment. Different coaches are good for different programs.

Pastner: good coach, bad fit
Tubby: good coach, bad fit

What are the traits (not a name, but traits) a new Memphis coach should have?

Some that come to mind:

1. Enjoys, or at least values recruiting
2. Can speak to the players recruiting, can connect with Memphis talent on a personal level.
3. Runs a high energy, aggressive system that takes advantage of the natural talent (quick talented guards) that is the base of Memphis' recruiting base.
4. Understands what the fans want, and what the expectations are (quality aggressive hoops, with a 2nd weekend NCAA trip every 3rd year or so).

I mean, if I had to pick a name, I'd love Shaka Smart, but I'd love to be rich too and that's also not happening.

Anyone else got ideas on traits the new Memphis coach should have post-Tubby (whenever that is)?

Simple. You need to recruit well and that includes keeping local talent. Memphis fans pride themselves that top 100 local/regional recruits stay home. Even Calipari kept some local talent as well as recruiting players out of the state. Just be decent in coaching and you can win 20+ games every year.

One of the easiest jobs in the country.

I don't think it is one of the easiest jobs in the country. It has it's challenges (local players come with families that have to be managed, even I would admit we are a relatively demanding fanbase, and the TV exposure is good, but not great).

But, we do have a generous donor base and passionate fans who will back a team that is good enough to warrant full buy in. Plus the natural recruiting base is solid gold.

It's not an easy job I would say, but a job that would look easy in the right hands...

But it's a damn GOOD job. And you nailed the reasons why!

It is one of the easiest jobs purely basketball-wise and yes, I figured someone was going to bring up the administrating skills as far as dealing with parents etc but I was talking about just recruiting and being a coach on the court, it’s not s hard job

Fair, and that more narrow context I do agree. The recruiting should be relatively easy if you like it and/or value it.

No disagreement there.

It is a GOOD job, and that is the key part. You can win, and win big here, making it a desirable job as well.

(12-13-2017 05:30 PM)NJ1 Wrote:  We ran off Pastner in part because he was a "bad cultural fit." Tubby is pretty much the opposite in every way and a lot of our fan base (plus Mr Davis) think he's a "bad cultural fit."

Lots of fans felt Calipari was a "bad cultural fit" but overlooked it once he started winning.

I have a strong hunch that it's not about "culture" so much as it's about winning.

I think 'culture' is a nice way of saying 'winning'

(12-13-2017 05:30 PM)NJ1 Wrote:  We ran off Pastner in part because he was a "bad cultural fit." Tubby is pretty much the opposite in every way and a lot of our fan base (plus Mr Davis) think he's a "bad cultural fit."

Lots of fans felt Calipari was a "bad cultural fit" but overlooked it once he started winning.

I have a strong hunch that it's not about "culture" so much as it's about winning.

Anyone that thought Calipari was a bad cultural fit was not very informed. The Memphis job needs a flashy promoter/ salesman at the helm . That person has the opportunity to be King of Memphis.

(12-13-2017 05:30 PM)NJ1 Wrote:  We ran off Pastner in part because he was a "bad cultural fit." Tubby is pretty much the opposite in every way and a lot of our fan base (plus Mr Davis) think he's a "bad cultural fit."

Lots of fans felt Calipari was a "bad cultural fit" but overlooked it once he started winning.

I have a strong hunch that it's not about "culture" so much as it's about winning.

Yep. I'm thinking that unless we win a national championship every year, it's going to be a 'bad cultural fit' with a chunk of Memphis fans.

Seth is spot on.

(12-13-2017 07:31 PM)NJ1 Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 05:45 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 05:30 PM)NJ1 Wrote:  We ran off Pastner in part because he was a "bad cultural fit." Tubby is pretty much the opposite in every way and a lot of our fan base (plus Mr Davis) think he's a "bad cultural fit."

Lots of fans felt Calipari was a "bad cultural fit" but overlooked it once he started winning.

I have a strong hunch that it's not about "culture" so much as it's about winning.

Anyone that thought Calipari was a bad cultural fit was not very informed. The Memphis job needs a flashy promoter/ salesman at the helm . That person has the opportunity to be King of Memphis.

I heard him characterized as a 'northerner'/'outsider' who just didn't 'get it' more than once, especially prior to when he started winning.

Cal was winning...He rubbed people the wrong way but winning softens people up to that.

Tubby is a good fit for a team that doesn't need talent if he is not willing to recruit any better than he is now.

He would be good in the bottom 5 leagues in the country where he can lure people to play for him because of his name without having to work.

(12-13-2017 05:30 PM)NJ1 Wrote:  We ran off Pastner in part because he was a "bad cultural fit." Tubby is pretty much the opposite in every way and a lot of our fan base (plus Mr Davis) think he's a "bad cultural fit."

Lots of fans felt Calipari was a "bad cultural fit" but overlooked it once he started winning.

I have a strong hunch that it's not about "culture" so much as it's about winning.

Cal was the perfect cultural fit. He was hard nosed, didn't take crap from anyone, was able to recruit nationally so after Ernest Shelton, nobody held him hostage; he promoted the city and the program tirelessly and he won a lot of games.

Some fans didn't like Cal, but that didn't make him a bad fit culturally.

(12-13-2017 08:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 07:31 PM)NJ1 Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 05:45 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 05:30 PM)NJ1 Wrote:  We ran off Pastner in part because he was a "bad cultural fit." Tubby is pretty much the opposite in every way and a lot of our fan base (plus Mr Davis) think he's a "bad cultural fit."

Lots of fans felt Calipari was a "bad cultural fit" but overlooked it once he started winning.

I have a strong hunch that it's not about "culture" so much as it's about winning.

Anyone that thought Calipari was a bad cultural fit was not very informed. The Memphis job needs a flashy promoter/ salesman at the helm . That person has the opportunity to be King of Memphis.

I heard him characterized as a 'northerner'/'outsider' who just didn't 'get it' more than once, especially prior to when he started winning.

Cal was winning...He rubbed people the wrong way but winning softens people up to that.

Tubby is a good fit for a team that doesn't need talent if he is not willing to recruit any better than he is now.

He would be good in the bottom 5 leagues in the country where he can lure people to play for him because of his name without having to work.

We don't often agree, but...

Tulane
ECU
USF
UCF
Tulsa
Houston
Temple

All a GREAT fit for Tubby. I would say that the bottom 5 leagues and the bottom 5 teams in P5 leagues are all a great fit for Tubby.

If the AD forces Tubby to fire all his assistants then he will quit.

Got to play hardball to get a new coach in place.

(12-13-2017 11:06 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  If the AD forces Tubby to fire all his assistants then he will quit.

Got to play hardball to get a new coach in place.

And you're paying for it?

(12-13-2017 11:44 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 11:06 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  If the AD forces Tubby to fire all his assistants then he will quit.

Got to play hardball to get a new coach in place.

And you're paying for it?

Paying for what?

(12-13-2017 11:47 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 11:44 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 11:06 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  If the AD forces Tubby to fire all his assistants then he will quit.

Got to play hardball to get a new coach in place.

And you're paying for it?

Paying for what?

The remaining terms of the contracts after Bowen fires everybody. Or maybe Tubby will coach the team with no assistants just to fight dirty. I would. Do no recruiting at all, hold tryouts on campus and tell everybody to F off.

(12-14-2017 12:14 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 11:47 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 11:44 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 11:06 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  If the AD forces Tubby to fire all his assistants then he will quit.

Got to play hardball to get a new coach in place.

And you're paying for it?

Paying for what?

The remaining terms of the contracts after Bowen fires everybody. Or maybe Tubby will coach the team with no assistants just to fight dirty. I would. Do no recruiting at all, hold tryouts on campus and tell everybody to F off.

We can pay off Tubby over 6 years and hire someone else at $1.5 million per season. The salaries will be a wash and if we sell 2,500 more tickets per game at $25 per ticket (including donations), that adds up to almost $1.2 million in additional revenue.

You tell Tubby he has to fire Saul and hope he goes away or wants to settle. If he doesn't you fire him. That might seem like an unfair way to treat poor old Tubby, but we can call it even for the whole burning the program to the ground and pulling in $6 million thing.

(12-14-2017 12:31 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 11:06 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  If the AD forces Tubby to fire all his assistants then he will quit.

Got to play hardball to get a new coach in place.

Can we at least wait until he starts losing games first?

7-2.

Tough room.

I am willing to guarantee you the losing is coming. I still predict 20 wins, but 20 wins over pathetic teams.

Tubby has told Memphis fans what to expect from his teams and it's not what you would think. Tubby stated "The sky's the limit for this program,'' Smith said. "We want to take it to championship-caliber play.''. When a person translates this message you'd think it means wins and championships. What are Tubby's goals? Smith said "When you see our teams play, you're going to walk out of this gym ... [and] you're going to say that team gave it all they had, they played hard, they played together and they played smart,'' Smith said. "That's what we preach and what we teach'' I say, U of M has gotten Sidney Shlenker'ed.