Moore's problem is he failed to turn the tables and raise Jones negatives. Yes, he had bad positions, even for bama, and he had the accusations... but Jones skated through virtually unscathed.

That is the one issue with Trumpism. It works... for Trump. He has the uncanny ability to make his opponents worse no matter how bad they make him. If they accused him of molesting children, he'd find a "tape" of his opponent sacrificing a child in a ritual. Nobody else has been able to pull it off.

You know the one smear on Trump that was actually potentially legitimate... Trump University... He made us forget all about that didn't he?

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(12-13-2017 12:01 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 11:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 11:43 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 11:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Democrats were starved for a win. If they think the whole face of politics just changed with a one point win over an accused child molester, well, good luck with that.

One percent would be a talking point if this wasn't Alabama. You know this. A one point win here is almost like a ten point win everywhere else. It's like electing a republican in California or Chicago. I'm perfectly willing to vote for a republican, but some here think voting for a dim is a sin.

Yeah. This is like Vanderbilt coming to Tuscaloosa and winning by one. Alabama is geared to elect a Republican under almost any circumstance (even an accused teeny groper stood a fantastic chance to win). Any win against them is big.

In this analogy Alabama would have to be without their entire first string due to academic ineligibility.

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if I ever stop laughing at lunacy???.....well, a happy life is still better than the alternatives.....

(12-13-2017 06:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Moore's problem is he failed to turn the tables and raise Jones negatives. Yes, he had bad positions, even for bama, and he had the accusations... but Jones skated through virtually unscathed.

That is the one issue with Trumpism. It works... for Trump. He has the uncanny ability to make his opponents worse no matter how bad they make him. If they accused him of molesting children, he'd find a "tape" of his opponent sacrificing a child in a ritual. Nobody else has been able to pull it off.

You know the one smear on Trump that was actually potentially legitimate... Trump University... He made us forget all about that didn't he?

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Moore seemed to think being the R candidate in Alabama would win him the day. He was wrong

(12-12-2017 11:16 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  There use to be yellow dogs and blue dogs and moderates in the Democratic Party. They were wiped out and made extinct by their vote for ObamaCare in the 2010 midterm. They haven't been back in the South -- save gerrymandered districts -- since.

So Democrats ... you eeked out a 1% victory in Alabama:
- Over a child molester.
- With 12 million in out of state money.
- With a candidate that claims to throw overboard overboard major parts of the Democrat agenda. The only places he stands firmly in camp D is global warming, healthcare, living wage, and abortion. He is firmly NOT in camp D on global trade and the 2nd amendment.

That's a LOT of stars aligning ... for the narrowest of victories.

I'm interested in seeing whether Doug Jones votes for himself or if he votes for Chuck Schumer. Because the last chance the Democrats had to show they have IDEOLOGICAL tolerance was Joe Manchin. And they've pretty much ruined Joe Manchin. Joe left the Governor's office in West Virginia with a 70% approval rating. He has so far been lock stop with Schumer with the rubber meets the road. His approval rating has been destroyed as a result. He is now just 4 points up against "Generic Republican" in polling ( https://www.peoplespunditdaily.com/polls...oval-high/ ). Manchin is probably going to get his *** handed to him next year as a result.

So ... will Democrats try to sew seeds of moderation and ideological diversity? Or will they sell the farm to get what they can in 6 years? Because I can assure you if they do, it will be the biggest landslide defeat of an incumbent in the US Senate in quite some time if they do. Based upon what I've seen and heard of Doug Jones so far, if I had to bet I'd go with "another Schumer soldier".

Jones if far left, he ins't a moderate.

-Healthcare is a "right". Anti Hobby Lobby ruling.
-Global warming kook.
-Living wage
-Criminal justice, Blacks, then latinos over whites. Against mandatory minimums.

-

(12-12-2017 11:43 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  I'm perfectly willing to vote for a republican, but some here think voting for a dim is a sin.

Just curious... cause I see everyone throw this out there, and with some of your statements on this board, I honestly DON'T BELIEVE a lot of you would ever dare vote across party lines.

Name the last republican you voted for cb in a statewide/national election. I'm just curious. Local elections we don't count, because political monikers usually have very little with the race.

Hell, I'll admit the last Democrat I voted for was when I was in 'sippi... that was Gene Taylor. Cause every other election I've seen a democratic candidate.. they've been a few terms that I am not going to say on any forum

(12-13-2017 08:47 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 11:43 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  I'm perfectly willing to vote for a republican, but some here think voting for a dim is a sin.

Just curious... cause I see everyone throw this out there, and with some of your statements on this board, I honestly DON'T BELIEVE a lot of you would ever dare vote across party lines.

Name the last republican you voted for cb in a statewide/national election. I'm just curious. Local elections we don't count, because political monikers usually have very little with the race.

Hell, I'll admit the last Democrat I voted for was when I was in 'sippi... that was Gene Taylor. Cause every other election I've seen a democratic candidate.. they've been a few terms that I am not going to say on any forum

I voted for Bob Riley. He wasn't that bad. I also tend to fill out my form like putting abacadaba on a Scantron test. lol. I don't vote straight party.

(12-12-2017 11:24 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Manchin voted yes on several Trump Cabinet appointees that pretty much every other Democrat said no to (most notably Jeff Sessions and Scott Pruitt).

I actually think more and more politicians will go against their party and vote their conscience in the future (Jeff Flake, John McCain, etc.)

Democrats are putting enormous pressure to vote no on absolutely everything and stall absolutely everything. Anything the Republicans did with Obama is now done ten-fold.

(12-13-2017 06:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Moore's problem is he failed to turn the tables and raise Jones negatives. Yes, he had bad positions, even for bama, and he had the accusations... but Jones skated through virtually unscathed.

That is the one issue with Trumpism. It works... for Trump. He has the uncanny ability to make his opponents worse no matter how bad they make him. If they accused him of molesting children, he'd find a "tape" of his opponent sacrificing a child in a ritual. Nobody else has been able to pull it off.

You know the one smear on Trump that was actually potentially legitimate... Trump University... He made us forget all about that didn't he?

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(12-13-2017 07:39 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 11:16 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  There use to be yellow dogs and blue dogs and moderates in the Democratic Party. They were wiped out and made extinct by their vote for ObamaCare in the 2010 midterm. They haven't been back in the South -- save gerrymandered districts -- since.

So Democrats ... you eeked out a 1% victory in Alabama:
- Over a child molester.
- With 12 million in out of state money.
- With a candidate that claims to throw overboard overboard major parts of the Democrat agenda. The only places he stands firmly in camp D is global warming, healthcare, living wage, and abortion. He is firmly NOT in camp D on global trade and the 2nd amendment.

That's a LOT of stars aligning ... for the narrowest of victories.

I'm interested in seeing whether Doug Jones votes for himself or if he votes for Chuck Schumer. Because the last chance the Democrats had to show they have IDEOLOGICAL tolerance was Joe Manchin. And they've pretty much ruined Joe Manchin. Joe left the Governor's office in West Virginia with a 70% approval rating. He has so far been lock stop with Schumer with the rubber meets the road. His approval rating has been destroyed as a result. He is now just 4 points up against "Generic Republican" in polling ( https://www.peoplespunditdaily.com/polls...oval-high/ ). Manchin is probably going to get his *** handed to him next year as a result.

So ... will Democrats try to sew seeds of moderation and ideological diversity? Or will they sell the farm to get what they can in 6 years? Because I can assure you if they do, it will be the biggest landslide defeat of an incumbent in the US Senate in quite some time if they do. Based upon what I've seen and heard of Doug Jones so far, if I had to bet I'd go with "another Schumer soldier".

Jones if far left, he ins't a moderate.

-Healthcare is a "right". Anti Hobby Lobby ruling.
-Global warming kook.
-Living wage
-Criminal justice, Blacks, then latinos over whites. Against mandatory minimums.

-

He's not just pro-choice, he's "with Planned Parenthood." He's for killing babies until their head is fully out of the womb. He's really not "pro-choice." He's "pro-abortion."

(12-13-2017 09:13 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  I voted for Bob Riley. He wasn't that bad. I also tend to fill out my form like putting abacadaba on a Scantron test. lol. I don't vote straight party.

So you're like me.. pretty much haven't voted across a party line since mid to late 2000s in a larger election? (that's not necessarily a bad thing... just something to think about when people say "I will vote across party lines")

* note: This doesnt' count Constitution or Libertarian votes that I've cast... just limiting it to the biggest two gorillas in the room

Let's face reality here. Jones is there for three years and that's it. Alabama will replace him with another Republican in 2020.

(12-13-2017 11:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Let's face reality here. Jones is there for three years and that's it. Alabama will replace him with another Republican in 2020.

That's the most likely result. But Jones has a far higher likelihood of retaining the seat in 2020 as an incumbent, running on the same ballot as DJT in 2020, than any Democrat in a generation in Alabama.

Even if Roy Moore is on the ballot.

Liberal/Moderate Dems get reelected all the time. McCaskell in Missouri did it. So did Mary Landrieu - twice.

There's 3 more years of GOP incompetence, failure, and outrage in front of us.

(12-13-2017 09:13 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 08:47 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 11:43 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  I'm perfectly willing to vote for a republican, but some here think voting for a dim is a sin.

Just curious... cause I see everyone throw this out there, and with some of your statements on this board, I honestly DON'T BELIEVE a lot of you would ever dare vote across party lines.

Name the last republican you voted for cb in a statewide/national election. I'm just curious. Local elections we don't count, because political monikers usually have very little with the race.

Hell, I'll admit the last Democrat I voted for was when I was in 'sippi... that was Gene Taylor. Cause every other election I've seen a democratic candidate.. they've been a few terms that I am not going to say on any forum

I voted for Bob Riley. He wasn't that bad. I also tend to fill out my form like putting abacadaba on a Scantron test. lol. I don't vote straight party.

While I wouldn't have voted for Riley, he was a kind and decent man with whom I had mild disagreements on certain issues with. He's worthy of respect. I actually have voted for a few Republicans as well. The problem in Texas is that there aren't any national/statewide Republicans that aren't extreme right wingers. Not. A. One.

(12-13-2017 11:28 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 09:13 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  I voted for Bob Riley. He wasn't that bad. I also tend to fill out my form like putting abacadaba on a Scantron test. lol. I don't vote straight party.

So you're like me.. pretty much haven't voted across a party line since mid to late 2000s in a larger election? (that's not necessarily a bad thing... just something to think about when people say "I will vote across party lines")

* note: This doesnt' count Constitution or Libertarian votes that I've cast... just limiting it to the biggest two gorillas in the room

I have voted Republican on the national level and almost exclusively Democrat on the state level.

(12-13-2017 02:16 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 09:13 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 08:47 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 11:43 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  I'm perfectly willing to vote for a republican, but some here think voting for a dim is a sin.

Just curious... cause I see everyone throw this out there, and with some of your statements on this board, I honestly DON'T BELIEVE a lot of you would ever dare vote across party lines.

Name the last republican you voted for cb in a statewide/national election. I'm just curious. Local elections we don't count, because political monikers usually have very little with the race.

Hell, I'll admit the last Democrat I voted for was when I was in 'sippi... that was Gene Taylor. Cause every other election I've seen a democratic candidate.. they've been a few terms that I am not going to say on any forum

I voted for Bob Riley. He wasn't that bad. I also tend to fill out my form like putting abacadaba on a Scantron test. lol. I don't vote straight party.

While I wouldn't have voted for Riley, he was a kind and decent man with whom I had mild disagreements on certain issues with. He's worthy of respect. I actually have voted for a few Republicans as well. The problem in Texas is that there aren't any national/statewide Republicans that aren't extreme right wingers. Not. A. One.

Dan Patrick is almost as wacko as Ray Moore. I voted for Leticia vandePutte. I used to work with her, same with Patrick, and she has a lot more sense than he does. But otherwise I’ve pretty much voted straight libertarian since 1984, State, federal, and local.

(12-13-2017 02:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 11:28 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 09:13 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  I voted for Bob Riley. He wasn't that bad. I also tend to fill out my form like putting abacadaba on a Scantron test. lol. I don't vote straight party.

So you're like me.. pretty much haven't voted across a party line since mid to late 2000s in a larger election? (that's not necessarily a bad thing... just something to think about when people say "I will vote across party lines")

* note: This doesnt' count Constitution or Libertarian votes that I've cast... just limiting it to the biggest two gorillas in the room

I have voted Republican on the national level and almost exclusively Democrat on the state level.

Sounds like the typical Kentucky voter.