Quote:2. Do you think the Trump campaign knew about it and did nothing or did they actively seek their help?

I think the Trump campaign knew nothing about Russian attempts to create disunity via their probable social media campaign. If they did know about it, what could they have done?

But the Trump campaign knew Russia had dirt on Hillary Clinton and instead of going to the FBI with that information, they chose instead to find out what that was. Right?

Quote:The Russian investigation is the result of people in charge unwilling to accept the results. While Russia probably did "interfere" they were not very effective and their attempts were click bait facebook/social media ads. If Clinton had won, no one would be so focused on Russia. That is why this can be fairly classified as a witch hunt.

If it was the result of people in charge unwilling to accept the result, how do you explain the fact that the FBI was already investigating Russian involvement even before the election was won? An election I might add that almost no one thought Trump would win.

(12-13-2017 11:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

Quote:2. Do you think the Trump campaign knew about it and did nothing or did they actively seek their help?

I think the Trump campaign knew nothing about Russian attempts to create disunity via their probable social media campaign. If they did know about it, what could they have done?

But the Trump campaign knew Russia had dirt on Hillary Clinton and instead of going to the FBI with that information, they chose instead to find out what that was. Right?

Knowing an assuming are 2 different things.

But lets say you're right. Say they knew Russia was had all this info that made Clinton look bad and was going to release it. Unless you think the Trump Campaign controls the actions of Moscow, what would you have had the Trump Campaign do?

Quote:

Quote:The Russian investigation is the result of people in charge unwilling to accept the results. While Russia probably did "interfere" they were not very effective and their attempts were click bait facebook/social media ads. If Clinton had won, no one would be so focused on Russia. That is why this can be fairly classified as a witch hunt.

If it was the result of people in charge unwilling to accept the result, how do you explain the fact that the FBI was already investigating Russian involvement even before the election was won? An election I might add that almost no one thought Trump would win.

Oh they might have a cursory investigation that gets a 5 minutes here and there of attention every so often, but a special counsel?

If you honestly believe that the Clinton administration would be spending all this time and money trying to figure out how the Russians interfered in an election she won, I cannot help you and you are incredibly naïve.

(12-13-2017 11:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

Quote:2. Do you think the Trump campaign knew about it and did nothing or did they actively seek their help?

I think the Trump campaign knew nothing about Russian attempts to create disunity via their probable social media campaign. If they did know about it, what could they have done?

But the Trump campaign knew Russia had dirt on Hillary Clinton and instead of going to the FBI with that information, they chose instead to find out what that was. Right?

It would have been useless to go to the Obama FBI. It had already been proven that the FBI wouldn't even prosecute her when they had her dead to rights.

Quote:Knowing an assuming are 2 different things.

But lets say you're right. Say they knew Russia was had all this info that made Clinton look bad and was going to release it. Unless you think the Trump Campaign controls the actions of Moscow, what would you have had the Trump Campaign do?

I don't know maybe they should have gone to the FBI and said hey we are getting messages from folks who claim to be Russians trying to sway the election. You know, the American think to do.

(12-14-2017 11:50 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

Quote:Knowing an assuming are 2 different things.

But lets say you're right. Say they knew Russia was had all this info that made Clinton look bad and was going to release it. Unless you think the Trump Campaign controls the actions of Moscow, what would you have had the Trump Campaign do?

I don't know maybe they should have gone to the FBI and said hey we are getting messages from folks who claim to be Russians trying to sway the election. You know, the American think to do.

The same FBI that was spying on them?

(12-14-2017 11:57 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 11:50 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

Quote:Knowing an assuming are 2 different things.

But lets say you're right. Say they knew Russia was had all this info that made Clinton look bad and was going to release it. Unless you think the Trump Campaign controls the actions of Moscow, what would you have had the Trump Campaign do?

I don't know maybe they should have gone to the FBI and said hey we are getting messages from folks who claim to be Russians trying to sway the election. You know, the American think to do.

The same FBI that was spying on them?

They FBI didn't start spying on them until they met with the Russians. You see, this is what happens when you don't play by the rules.

(12-15-2017 11:59 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 11:57 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 11:50 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

Quote:Knowing an assuming are 2 different things.

But lets say you're right. Say they knew Russia was had all this info that made Clinton look bad and was going to release it. Unless you think the Trump Campaign controls the actions of Moscow, what would you have had the Trump Campaign do?

I don't know maybe they should have gone to the FBI and said hey we are getting messages from folks who claim to be Russians trying to sway the election. You know, the American think to do.

The same FBI that was spying on them?

They FBI didn't start spying on them until they met with the Russians. You see, this is what happens when you don't play by the rules.

When did they "meet with the Russians?"

(12-15-2017 12:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 11:59 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 11:57 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 11:50 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

Quote:Knowing an assuming are 2 different things.
But lets say you're right. Say they knew Russia was had all this info that made Clinton look bad and was going to release it. Unless you think the Trump Campaign controls the actions of Moscow, what would you have had the Trump Campaign do?

I don't know maybe they should have gone to the FBI and said hey we are getting messages from folks who claim to be Russians trying to sway the election. You know, the American think to do.

The same FBI that was spying on them?

They FBI didn't start spying on them until they met with the Russians. You see, this is what happens when you don't play by the rules.

When did they "meet with the Russians?"

And what rules were they not playing by? Except the unwritten one that said, "It's Hillary's time, don't do anything to disrupt it"?

(12-15-2017 12:34 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 11:59 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 11:57 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 11:50 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't know maybe they should have gone to the FBI and said hey we are getting messages from folks who claim to be Russians trying to sway the election. You know, the American think to do.

The same FBI that was spying on them?

They FBI didn't start spying on them until they met with the Russians. You see, this is what happens when you don't play by the rules.

When did they "meet with the Russians?"

And what rules were they not playing by? Except the unwritten one that said, "It's Hillary's time, don't do anything to disrupt it"?

The unwritten rule that if someone comes to you with information, you tell the FBI.

I'm pretty sure that happened in a presidential election before.

(12-15-2017 12:34 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 11:59 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 11:57 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 11:50 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't know maybe they should have gone to the FBI and said hey we are getting messages from folks who claim to be Russians trying to sway the election. You know, the American think to do.

The same FBI that was spying on them?

They FBI didn't start spying on them until they met with the Russians. You see, this is what happens when you don't play by the rules.

When did they "meet with the Russians?"

And what rules were they not playing by? Except the unwritten one that said, "It's Hillary's time, don't do anything to disrupt it"?

And who in their right mind would have been republican and thought it was a good idea to go to this guy at the FBI with any info.

(12-15-2017 12:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:34 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 11:59 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 11:57 AM)solohawks Wrote:  The same FBI that was spying on them?

They FBI didn't start spying on them until they met with the Russians. You see, this is what happens when you don't play by the rules.

When did they "meet with the Russians?"

And what rules were they not playing by? Except the unwritten one that said, "It's Hillary's time, don't do anything to disrupt it"?

And who in their right mind would have been republican and thought it was a good idea to go to this guy at the FBI with any info.

“And I have to give the FBI credit. That was so bad what happened originally,” Trump said, referring to Comey’s announcement in July to not recommend charges against Clinton to the Justice Department. “And it took guts for Director Comey to make the move that he made in light of the kind of opposition he had where they’re trying to protect her from criminal prosecution. You know that. It took a lot of guts.”

Donald J. Trump

(12-15-2017 12:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:34 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 11:59 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 11:57 AM)solohawks Wrote:  The same FBI that was spying on them?

They FBI didn't start spying on them until they met with the Russians. You see, this is what happens when you don't play by the rules.

When did they "meet with the Russians?"

And what rules were they not playing by? Except the unwritten one that said, "It's Hillary's time, don't do anything to disrupt it"?

The unwritten rule that if someone comes to you with information, you tell the FBI.

I'm pretty sure that happened in a presidential election before.

When did they "meet with the Russians?"