Alabama Republicans have been enabled by the US Supreme Court to close nearly 200 polling locations. On Monday night, they scored another legal victory when the state Supreme Court decided that election officials are not required to preserve digital ballot images from Tuesday’s election.

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Looks like the fix is already in.

(12-12-2017 12:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Alabama Republicans have been enabled by the US Supreme Court to close nearly 200 polling locations. On Monday night, they scored another legal victory when the state Supreme Court decided that election officials are not required to preserve digital ballot images from Tuesday’s election.

Link

Looks like the fix is already in.

Eh, no worries, there is no voter fraud anywhere, ever.

(12-12-2017 12:07 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 12:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Alabama Republicans have been enabled by the US Supreme Court to close nearly 200 polling locations. On Monday night, they scored another legal victory when the state Supreme Court decided that election officials are not required to preserve digital ballot images from Tuesday’s election.

Link

Looks like the fix is already in.

Eh, no worries, there is no voter fraud anywhere, ever.

Not from the voters anyway but who is there to insure there is proof of votes if they are going to destroy evidence at midnight?

(12-12-2017 12:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Not from the voters anyway

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH.

I'm gonna stop ya right there. That statement is simply untrue and YOU KNOW it is untrue.

(12-12-2017 12:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 12:07 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 12:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Alabama Republicans have been enabled by the US Supreme Court to close nearly 200 polling locations. On Monday night, they scored another legal victory when the state Supreme Court decided that election officials are not required to preserve digital ballot images from Tuesday’s election.

Link

Looks like the fix is already in.

Eh, no worries, there is no voter fraud anywhere, ever.

Not from the voters anyway but who is there to insure there is proof of votes if they are going to destroy evidence at midnight?

First part, pure bull-****. Last part I can agree with. What good is a 'paper-trail' if the trail is destroyed immediately?

(12-12-2017 12:11 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 12:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Not from the voters anyway

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH.

I'm gonna stop ya right there. That statement is simply untrue and YOU KNOW it is untrue.

I could be wrong. Is there a history of voter fraud in the state of Alabama?

If so, wouldn't this make it even more important that the papertrail stay in tact?

(12-12-2017 12:11 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 12:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Not from the voters anyway

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH.

I'm gonna stop ya right there. That statement is simply untrue and YOU KNOW it is untrue.

thanks for waking up Rip Van......

/sarc

(12-12-2017 12:11 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 12:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Not from the voters anyway

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH.

I'm gonna stop ya right there. That statement is simply untrue and YOU KNOW it is untrue.

POLITICS AUG 5 2017, 4:48 PM ET
Grandmother Deported for Voter Fraud Leaves U.S. in Tears

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigra...rs-n789766

This lady got registered when she got a drivers license. Make one wonder how many other non citizens vote. Probably a lot of them.

(12-12-2017 12:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 12:11 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 12:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Not from the voters anyway

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH.

I'm gonna stop ya right there. That statement is simply untrue and YOU KNOW it is untrue.

POLITICS AUG 5 2017, 4:48 PM ET
Grandmother Deported for Voter Fraud Leaves U.S. in Tears

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigra...rs-n789766

This lady got registered when she got a drivers license. Make one wonder how many other non citizens vote. Probably a lot of them.

I hate to break it to you but that was Kansas.

(12-12-2017 12:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I could be wrong. Is there a history of voter fraud in the state of Alabama?

If so, wouldn't this make it even more important that the papertrail stay in tact?

I'm not going to let you have it both ways or move the goal posts in the middle of the game. PICK ONE:

1) Voter fraud happens all over the country, and probably every single election cycle. So we need to maintain accountability for the votes and preserve them while still protecting the anonymous ballot. This means digital voting must use open source software. This means digital voting must be stored, hashed, and backed up. And every time the ballots move somewhere digitally the hash must be re-certified. Paper ballots must be maintained as well. And there should be a bipartisan and independent audit of the votes every single election.

2) Voter fraud never happens so let's not worry about it. Those who do worry about it are probably secretly racist.


Yes, I'm already aware that both parties run afoul of #1.

(12-12-2017 12:31 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I hate to break it to you but that was Kansas.

http://www.dothaneagle.com/news/crime_co...db7db.html

Houston County, Alabama. Woman convicted of 24 counts of absentee voter fraud. That took me about 30 seconds to find.

(12-12-2017 01:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 12:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I could be wrong. Is there a history of voter fraud in the state of Alabama?

If so, wouldn't this make it even more important that the papertrail stay in tact?

I'm not going to let you have it both ways or move the goal posts in the middle of the game. PICK ONE:

1) Voter fraud happens all over the country, and probably every single election cycle. So we need to maintain accountability for the votes and preserve them while still protecting the anonymous ballot. This means digital voting must use open source software. This means digital voting must be stored, hashed, and backed up. And every time the ballots move somewhere digitally the hash must be re-certified. Paper ballots must be maintained as well. And there should be a bipartisan and independent audit of the votes every single election.

2) Voter fraud never happens so let's not worry about it. Those who do worry about it are probably secretly racist.


Yes, I'm already aware that both parties run afoul of #1.

I'll pick Number 1 for $1000 Alex.

I never meant to say without a doubt that voter fraud never ever happens.

Why do you guys take everything so literally?

What I was getting at is that IMHO, I think fraud in elections is more prevalent from the political parties and not the voters themselves.

(12-12-2017 12:31 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 12:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 12:11 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 12:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Not from the voters anyway

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH.

I'm gonna stop ya right there. That statement is simply untrue and YOU KNOW it is untrue.

POLITICS AUG 5 2017, 4:48 PM ET
Grandmother Deported for Voter Fraud Leaves U.S. in Tears

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigra...rs-n789766

This lady got registered when she got a drivers license. Make one wonder how many other non citizens vote. Probably a lot of them.

I hate to break it to you but that was Kansas.

And it is voter fraud. Weak spin board spammer.

(12-12-2017 01:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Why do you guys take everything so literally?

Politics is the circus through which law is rendered. And law is 100% literal and 100% consumed with the details. So being vague or sarcastic or speaking on multiple levels is neither helpful or amusing. Say what you mean and own up to it.

Show id, sign voter roll, mark ballot, feed machine. Done.

If one is too damn dumb to do any of that don't vote

(12-12-2017 01:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 01:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Why do you guys take everything so literally?

Politics is the circus through which law is rendered. And law is 100% literal and 100% consumed with the details. So being vague or sarcastic or speaking on multiple levels is neither helpful or amusing. Say what you mean and own up to it.

Fair enough.

Can you see however that when I said that the fraud was likely not from the voters, I didn't mean to say that voters never ever attempt to commit fraud?

I mean I have had this discussion on this forum multiple times and I have never ever made the claim that voter fraud from the voters never exists.

(12-12-2017 01:59 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 01:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 01:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Why do you guys take everything so literally?

Politics is the circus through which law is rendered. And law is 100% literal and 100% consumed with the details. So being vague or sarcastic or speaking on multiple levels is neither helpful or amusing. Say what you mean and own up to it.

Fair enough.

Can you see however that when I said that the fraud was likely not from the voters, I didn't mean to say that voters never ever attempt to commit fraud?

I mean I have had this discussion on this forum multiple times and I have never ever made the claim that voter fraud from the voters never exists.

Except that's not what you said.

This is what you said

Quote:Not from the voters anyway

The two statements do not come close to one another.

(12-12-2017 02:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Except that's not what you said.

This is what you said

Quote:Not from the voters anyway

The two statements do not come close to one another.

Gonna have to agree with IPTAY on this one.

(12-12-2017 01:58 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Show id, sign voter roll, mark ballot, feed machine. Done.

If one is too damn dumb to do any of that don't vote

Boom!

But, now you see why Bham is what it is.

(12-12-2017 01:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 01:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Why do you guys take everything so literally?

Politics is the circus through which law is rendered. And law is 100% literal and 100% consumed with the details. So being vague or sarcastic or speaking on multiple levels is neither helpful or amusing. Say what you mean and own up to it.

Best to let the resident Spin Room troll amble back under the bridge. Interactions with him can only lead to annoyance and loss of one's precious time.