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So according to this article, Hampton was in serious discussions with the A10 recently. Eventually they broke down and HU went with the Big South. The article also says HU could have likely gone Big South for football only. If the A10 were considering HU even though they have a football team, one would think they would consider ODU as well. I'd be happy to have football be an FBS independent, or even CAA if it meant A10 basketball. Maybe theres a crack in the A10 "no football schools" policy. Get on the phone and make it happen Wood!

ODU is not going back to the CAA for football. Being and indy is probably a death sentence.

May not go back but doesn't mean it's the right decision. Be better off with CAA football and A-10 basketball. CUSA is a death sentence of you ask me.

(12-11-2017 04:11 PM)mac Wrote:  May not go back but doesn't mean it's the right decision. Be better off with CAA football and A-10 basketball. CUSA is a death sentence of you ask me.

That would be fine if you did not care about football.

Not sure the CAA would take us for football only. The CAA football reputation at the FCS level is fine without us and where we would bring the most benefit to the conference would be for basketball. Look at what happened to UMASS when they tried to play that game with the MAC.

(12-11-2017 03:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...1b166.html

So according to this article, Hampton was in serious discussions with the A10 recently. Eventually they broke down and HU went with the Big South. The article also says HU could have likely gone Big South for football only. If the A10 were considering HU even though they have a football team, one would think they would consider ODU as well. I'd be happy to have football be an FBS independent, or even CAA if it meant A10 basketball. Maybe theres a crack in the A10 "no football schools" policy. Get on the phone and make it happen Wood!

Absolutely the best chance of filling the new football stadium.

(12-11-2017 03:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...1b166.html

So according to this article, Hampton was in serious discussions with the A10 recently. Eventually they broke down and HU went with the Big South. The article also says HU could have likely gone Big South for football only. If the A10 were considering HU even though they have a football team, one would think they would consider ODU as well. I'd be happy to have football be an FBS independent, or even CAA if it meant A10 basketball. Maybe theres a crack in the A10 "no football schools" policy. Get on the phone and make it happen Wood!

Hampton was right to approach the A-10 (you can't win if you don't play) but I would eat my own butt live on the internet if the A-10 had serious interest in kind. Hampton basketball is fine by MEAC standards but would be an immediate addition to the bottom of the A-10 (yes, even this season). But even if HU had the athletic credentials to join, the A-10 has no reason to expand. Unless the Hampton chancellor knows something about future conference realignment? Even so, I'd think Hampton would be far down the list of potential invitees.

Also, it's not a "no football schools" policy, it's a "no FBS schools policy." Davidson has non-scholarship FCS football and was their most recent addition. I think their concern is that if they add a school with FBS football or at least with ambitions for it, they'd leave to find an all-sports home. UMass was grandfathered in but I can't imagine the A-10 would go for them if they were in the CAA.

I'd go FBS Indy and A10 before going back to CAA.

(12-11-2017 04:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 03:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...1b166.html

So according to this article, Hampton was in serious discussions with the A10 recently. Eventually they broke down and HU went with the Big South. The article also says HU could have likely gone Big South for football only. If the A10 were considering HU even though they have a football team, one would think they would consider ODU as well. I'd be happy to have football be an FBS independent, or even CAA if it meant A10 basketball. Maybe theres a crack in the A10 "no football schools" policy. Get on the phone and make it happen Wood!

Absolutely the best chance of filling the new football stadium.

Yeah, maybe if they can arrange it so JMU, Richmond and William & Mary come to Norfolk every season. Otherwise, do you really think the likes of Towson, Rhode Island, Elon, Maine and Albany provide "the best chance of filling the new football stadium"?

FBS independence is a big blind date. Can they get six good home games every season? Maybe if a bunch more FBS teams go indy, and perhaps they will. But my guess is that you'll get the same kind of games as an independent that ODU does as a CUSA member — one or two bigger-name opponents, a couple of G5 teams that may or may not move the needle, and the FCS bodybag. If ODU can trade North Texas/Florida International/Middle Tennessee (to cite three random teams) for East Carolina/Temple/Appalachian State on the regular, then there's something to consider. Chances are it'll be an even tradeoff.

(12-11-2017 04:34 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 04:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 03:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...1b166.html

So according to this article, Hampton was in serious discussions with the A10 recently. Eventually they broke down and HU went with the Big South. The article also says HU could have likely gone Big South for football only. If the A10 were considering HU even though they have a football team, one would think they would consider ODU as well. I'd be happy to have football be an FBS independent, or even CAA if it meant A10 basketball. Maybe theres a crack in the A10 "no football schools" policy. Get on the phone and make it happen Wood!

Absolutely the best chance of filling the new football stadium.

Yeah, maybe if they can arrange it so JMU, Richmond and William & Mary come to Norfolk every season. Otherwise, do you really think the likes of Towson, Rhode Island, Elon, Maine and Albany provide "the best chance of filling the new football stadium"?

FBS independence is a big blind date. Can they get six good home games every season? Maybe if a bunch more FBS teams go indy, and perhaps they will. But my guess is that you'll get the same kind of games as an independent that ODU does as a CUSA member — one or two bigger-name opponents, a couple of G5 teams that may or may not move the needle, and the FCS bodybag. If ODU can trade North Texas/Florida International/Middle Tennessee (to cite three random teams) for East Carolina/Temple/Appalachian State on the regular, then there's something to consider. Chances are it'll be an even tradeoff.

Putting aside hypothetical opinions, the actual data says that when we were in the CAA, we had a season ticket waiting list thousands deep whereas now we have a big problem with empty seats. The opponents are part of it, but the bigger part of it is that when in the CAA you are actually playing for the playoffs and a national championship. Right now we are playing for nothing but a schitty bowl game.

(12-11-2017 04:46 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 04:34 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 04:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 03:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...1b166.html

So according to this article, Hampton was in serious discussions with the A10 recently. Eventually they broke down and HU went with the Big South. The article also says HU could have likely gone Big South for football only. If the A10 were considering HU even though they have a football team, one would think they would consider ODU as well. I'd be happy to have football be an FBS independent, or even CAA if it meant A10 basketball. Maybe theres a crack in the A10 "no football schools" policy. Get on the phone and make it happen Wood!

Absolutely the best chance of filling the new football stadium.

Yeah, maybe if they can arrange it so JMU, Richmond and William & Mary come to Norfolk every season. Otherwise, do you really think the likes of Towson, Rhode Island, Elon, Maine and Albany provide "the best chance of filling the new football stadium"?

FBS independence is a big blind date. Can they get six good home games every season? Maybe if a bunch more FBS teams go indy, and perhaps they will. But my guess is that you'll get the same kind of games as an independent that ODU does as a CUSA member — one or two bigger-name opponents, a couple of G5 teams that may or may not move the needle, and the FCS bodybag. If ODU can trade North Texas/Florida International/Middle Tennessee (to cite three random teams) for East Carolina/Temple/Appalachian State on the regular, then there's something to consider. Chances are it'll be an even tradeoff.

Putting aside hypothetical opinions, the actual data says that when we were in the CAA, we had a season ticket waiting list thousands deep whereas now we have a big problem with empty seats. The opponents are part of it, but the bigger part of it is that when in the CAA you are actually playing for the playoffs and a national championship. Right now we are playing for nothing but a schitty bowl game.

Using that logic, ODU had a season-ticket waiting list thousands deep when they were playing Chowan, Virginia Union, Campbell and Presbyterian, so FCS independence or nonscholarship football is the ticket to a hot ticket.

I have grievous doubts that ODU would have better attendance if they returned to the CAA and FCS football, outside of games against JMU, Richmond and W&M (and JMU eventually is going to make the leap). It's not an exact comparison, but the Admirals returning to the ECHL comes to mind. Sure, they're back in the league where they had their glory days, but things are a lot different.

(12-11-2017 04:34 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 04:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 03:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...1b166.html

So according to this article, Hampton was in serious discussions with the A10 recently. Eventually they broke down and HU went with the Big South. The article also says HU could have likely gone Big South for football only. If the A10 were considering HU even though they have a football team, one would think they would consider ODU as well. I'd be happy to have football be an FBS independent, or even CAA if it meant A10 basketball. Maybe theres a crack in the A10 "no football schools" policy. Get on the phone and make it happen Wood!

Absolutely the best chance of filling the new football stadium.

Yeah, maybe if they can arrange it so JMU, Richmond and William & Mary come to Norfolk every season. Otherwise, do you really think the likes of Towson, Rhode Island, Elon, Maine and Albany provide "the best chance of filling the new football stadium"?

FBS independence is a big blind date. Can they get six good home games every season? Maybe if a bunch more FBS teams go indy, and perhaps they will. But my guess is that you'll get the same kind of games as an independent that ODU does as a CUSA member — one or two bigger-name opponents, a couple of G5 teams that may or may not move the needle, and the FCS bodybag. If ODU can trade North Texas/Florida International/Middle Tennessee (to cite three random teams) for East Carolina/Temple/Appalachian State on the regular, then there's something to consider. Chances are it'll be an even tradeoff.

Liberty has gone indy and has some pretty spectacular games lined up. Some of them in Lynchburg. Just saying...

And I'd do whatever it took to get in the A10 short of dropping football altogether. I love football, but honestly, I had just as much (and maybe more) fun in FCS. Seems like a lot of others did too. I hate CUSA as a basketball conference, and don't really care who we play for football as much.

(12-11-2017 04:46 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 04:34 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 04:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 03:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...1b166.html

So according to this article, Hampton was in serious discussions with the A10 recently. Eventually they broke down and HU went with the Big South. The article also says HU could have likely gone Big South for football only. If the A10 were considering HU even though they have a football team, one would think they would consider ODU as well. I'd be happy to have football be an FBS independent, or even CAA if it meant A10 basketball. Maybe theres a crack in the A10 "no football schools" policy. Get on the phone and make it happen Wood!

Absolutely the best chance of filling the new football stadium.

Yeah, maybe if they can arrange it so JMU, Richmond and William & Mary come to Norfolk every season. Otherwise, do you really think the likes of Towson, Rhode Island, Elon, Maine and Albany provide "the best chance of filling the new football stadium"?

FBS independence is a big blind date. Can they get six good home games every season? Maybe if a bunch more FBS teams go indy, and perhaps they will. But my guess is that you'll get the same kind of games as an independent that ODU does as a CUSA member — one or two bigger-name opponents, a couple of G5 teams that may or may not move the needle, and the FCS bodybag. If ODU can trade North Texas/Florida International/Middle Tennessee (to cite three random teams) for East Carolina/Temple/Appalachian State on the regular, then there's something to consider. Chances are it'll be an even tradeoff.

Putting aside hypothetical opinions, the actual data says that when we were in the CAA, we had a season ticket waiting list thousands deep whereas now we have a big problem with empty seats. The opponents are part of it, but the bigger part of it is that when in the CAA you are actually playing for the playoffs and a national championship. Right now we are playing for nothing but a schitty bowl game.

And that schitty bowl game you demean drew 2X or 3X the ratings of JMU’s title game last year. Please don’t take your personal feelings and try to make it sound like it is the majority. You can’t go back to FCS.


Also only someone clueless would try to imply that it was CAA football creating those waiting lists. It was ODU having football that created the waiting list and only ODU having football. After the first few years interest waned. We’d still have the same number of ticket holders AT BEST right now if we were still FCS. If word got out we turned down FBS to stay in little boy football we’d have much less season tix holders. If you want to root for little boy football there are lots of choices in this area.

(12-11-2017 05:20 PM)monarx Wrote:  Liberty has gone indy and has some pretty spectacular games lined up. Some of them in Lynchburg. Just saying...

Live look from Lynchburg:




We don't have the kind of money they are paying out for home games.

(12-11-2017 05:22 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 05:20 PM)monarx Wrote:  Liberty has gone indy and has some pretty spectacular games lined up. Some of them in Lynchburg. Just saying...

Live look from Lynchburg:




We don't have the kind of money they are paying out for home games.

+1

(12-11-2017 05:22 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 04:46 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 04:34 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 04:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 03:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...1b166.html

So according to this article, Hampton was in serious discussions with the A10 recently. Eventually they broke down and HU went with the Big South. The article also says HU could have likely gone Big South for football only. If the A10 were considering HU even though they have a football team, one would think they would consider ODU as well. I'd be happy to have football be an FBS independent, or even CAA if it meant A10 basketball. Maybe theres a crack in the A10 "no football schools" policy. Get on the phone and make it happen Wood!

Absolutely the best chance of filling the new football stadium.

Yeah, maybe if they can arrange it so JMU, Richmond and William & Mary come to Norfolk every season. Otherwise, do you really think the likes of Towson, Rhode Island, Elon, Maine and Albany provide "the best chance of filling the new football stadium"?

FBS independence is a big blind date. Can they get six good home games every season? Maybe if a bunch more FBS teams go indy, and perhaps they will. But my guess is that you'll get the same kind of games as an independent that ODU does as a CUSA member — one or two bigger-name opponents, a couple of G5 teams that may or may not move the needle, and the FCS bodybag. If ODU can trade North Texas/Florida International/Middle Tennessee (to cite three random teams) for East Carolina/Temple/Appalachian State on the regular, then there's something to consider. Chances are it'll be an even tradeoff.

Putting aside hypothetical opinions, the actual data says that when we were in the CAA, we had a season ticket waiting list thousands deep whereas now we have a big problem with empty seats. The opponents are part of it, but the bigger part of it is that when in the CAA you are actually playing for the playoffs and a national championship. Right now we are playing for nothing but a schitty bowl game.

And that schitty bowl game you demean drew 2X or 3X the ratings of JMU’s title game last year. Please don’t take your personal feelings and try to make it sound like it is the majority. You can’t go back to FCS.


Also only someone clueless would try to imply that it was CAA football creating those waiting lists. It was ODU having football that created the waiting list and only ODU having football. After the first few years interest waned. We’d still have the same number of ticket holders AT BEST right now if we were still FCS. If word got out we turned down FBS to stay in little boy football we’d have much less season tix holders. If you want to root for little boy football there are lots of choices in this area.

The personal attacks aside, you are entitled to your opinions regarding the circumstances, but the fact remains we had no problem getting butts in seats when we were competing for national championships. That is not an opinion. Perhaps TV ratings were better in our bowl game against Eastern Michigan on a weekday afternoon in the Bahamas, but I bet the fan experience was better for JMU winning a championship.

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(12-11-2017 05:20 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 04:34 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 04:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 03:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...1b166.html

So according to this article, Hampton was in serious discussions with the A10 recently. Eventually they broke down and HU went with the Big South. The article also says HU could have likely gone Big South for football only. If the A10 were considering HU even though they have a football team, one would think they would consider ODU as well. I'd be happy to have football be an FBS independent, or even CAA if it meant A10 basketball. Maybe theres a crack in the A10 "no football schools" policy. Get on the phone and make it happen Wood!

Absolutely the best chance of filling the new football stadium.

Yeah, maybe if they can arrange it so JMU, Richmond and William & Mary come to Norfolk every season. Otherwise, do you really think the likes of Towson, Rhode Island, Elon, Maine and Albany provide "the best chance of filling the new football stadium"?

FBS independence is a big blind date. Can they get six good home games every season? Maybe if a bunch more FBS teams go indy, and perhaps they will. But my guess is that you'll get the same kind of games as an independent that ODU does as a CUSA member — one or two bigger-name opponents, a couple of G5 teams that may or may not move the needle, and the FCS bodybag. If ODU can trade North Texas/Florida International/Middle Tennessee (to cite three random teams) for East Carolina/Temple/Appalachian State on the regular, then there's something to consider. Chances are it'll be an even tradeoff.

Liberty has gone indy and has some pretty spectacular games lined up. Some of them in Lynchburg. Just saying...

And I'd do whatever it took to get in the A10 short of dropping football altogether. I love football, but honestly, I had just as much (and maybe more) fun in FCS. Seems like a lot of others did too. I hate CUSA as a basketball conference, and don't really care who we play for football as much.

I think that's nostalgia to some degree. We remember dominating the CAA with JMU, Richmond and W&M and figure things will return to that point if ODU drops back. But a) there's a lot of anonymous opponents in the CAA, b) there aren't many draws for ODU in FCS, c) no FBS teams coming to Norfolk ever and d) what if ODU goes 6-6 in the CAA?

Liberty is buying their way to a respectable schedule in the early going. But a) let's not get over the moon about it — they're playing New Mexico State twice a season in '18 and '19 (imagine the hue and cry if ODU scheduled that), they've got a bunch of CUSA and Sun Belt teams scheduled and they have two FCS games in each of their first two seasons. Don't be fooled by the hype; they're doing a good job creating a schedule out of whole cloth, but ODU's is better every season. But even if you like their schedule, b) let's see if it's sustainable. Are they going to be able to do this 5, 10, 15 years down the road?

(12-11-2017 04:46 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 04:34 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 04:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 03:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...1b166.html

So according to this article, Hampton was in serious discussions with the A10 recently. Eventually they broke down and HU went with the Big South. The article also says HU could have likely gone Big South for football only. If the A10 were considering HU even though they have a football team, one would think they would consider ODU as well. I'd be happy to have football be an FBS independent, or even CAA if it meant A10 basketball. Maybe theres a crack in the A10 "no football schools" policy. Get on the phone and make it happen Wood!

Absolutely the best chance of filling the new football stadium.

Yeah, maybe if they can arrange it so JMU, Richmond and William & Mary come to Norfolk every season. Otherwise, do you really think the likes of Towson, Rhode Island, Elon, Maine and Albany provide "the best chance of filling the new football stadium"?

FBS independence is a big blind date. Can they get six good home games every season? Maybe if a bunch more FBS teams go indy, and perhaps they will. But my guess is that you'll get the same kind of games as an independent that ODU does as a CUSA member — one or two bigger-name opponents, a couple of G5 teams that may or may not move the needle, and the FCS bodybag. If ODU can trade North Texas/Florida International/Middle Tennessee (to cite three random teams) for East Carolina/Temple/Appalachian State on the regular, then there's something to consider. Chances are it'll be an even tradeoff.

Putting aside hypothetical opinions, the actual data says that when we were in the CAA, we had a season ticket waiting list thousands deep whereas now we have a big problem with empty seats. The opponents are part of it, but the bigger part of it is that when in the CAA you are actually playing for the playoffs and a national championship. Right now we are playing for nothing but a schitty bowl game.

Correlation does not imply causation. The program was still new back then and football attendance around the globe has also fallen back then.

I cannot speak for everyone, but just about everyone I know cares more about playing FBS football and the likes of UNC, VT, etc. than they do about playing for the junior varsity national championship.

Its seems silly to me that now we have big boy football and some fans want to go back, while deep down probably every FCS fan wishes they could play in the big show. Personally, I would probably always support ODU, but if they dropped down in football, it would be a 1 or 2 games a year type thing. I've seen what we are capable of, I have no interest in dogfights with Elon.

(12-11-2017 04:11 PM)mac Wrote:  May not go back but doesn't mean it's the right decision. Be better off with CAA football and A-10 basketball. CUSA is a death sentence of you ask me.

Agree.

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