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(12-12-2017 09:03 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Just curious as to how much money Western Kentucky has made on football over the last 5 years (I'd say this would be about the peak of where our FB program could go)?
How much money has VCU's basketball team made in the last 5 years (intentionally leaving out the F4 run)?

Why would WKU be our peak when we already sell more tickets than they do and receive more in donations?
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(12-12-2017 09:04 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 09:03 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Just curious as to how much money Western Kentucky has made on football over the last 5 years (I'd say this would be about the peak of where our FB program could go)?
How much money has VCU's basketball team made in the last 5 years (intentionally leaving out the F4 run)?

Why would WKU be our peak when we already sell more tickets than they do and receive more in donations?

We also bring in more donations, ticket sales, NCAA distributions & conference distributions than VCU.
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And our contributions dwarf many other A10 schools. Particularly George freak'n Mason.
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(12-12-2017 08:18 AM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 07:40 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Our school does not fit in the A-10. Charlotte left the league. We have more in common with the C-USA schools. It's not the promised land but a means to get there for ODU.

Patience please...

Why don't we fit in the A-10? Curious as to why you say we have more in common with all of the Florida and Texas schools instead of VCU, U of R, GWU and Mason?

Is this a football versus basketball thing only?

I agree. I think we fit in very well and have a similar profile to the public schools in the A10. Plus UR and GW are within driving distance and we play St. Joes a lot anyway. We also have a lot in common with the CUSA schools, but they're all too far away, nobody cares about them in VA, and we recruit students from the A10 area more than the CUSA region.

Also: I think our football peak (and where we should strive to be) is at UCF, Houston level. Basically a top G5 program. If thats not our goal and what we can realistically hope to achieve, then we have no business being FBS. And UCF/USF have attained that status pretty quickly. We should only be about a decade or so behind them in football, and way ahead of UCF and just as good as USF in hoops.
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(12-12-2017 07:40 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Our school does not fit in the A-10. Charlotte left the league. We have more in common with the C-USA schools. It's not the promised land but a means to get there for ODU.

Patience please...

Charlotte only left because they wanted to start football. Plus they were promised the same bag of goodies we were. Lots of TV, national exposure, $1.2 million dollars a year, multi-bid hoops league and a rivalry with ECU. I would imagine they have a contingent of fans upset they left the A10. Especially so considering the state of their football program. At least the Monarchs have achieved some level of success on the gridiron.
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(12-12-2017 10:12 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 07:40 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Our school does not fit in the A-10. Charlotte left the league. We have more in common with the C-USA schools. It's not the promised land but a means to get there for ODU.

Patience please...

Charlotte only left because they wanted to start football. Plus they were promised the same bag of goodies we were. Lots of TV, national exposure, $1.2 million dollars a year, multi-bid hoops league and a rivalry with ECU. I would imagine they have a contingent of fans upset they left the A10. Especially so considering the state of their football program. At least the Monarchs have achieved some level of success on the gridiron.

They stunk in the A10. And they stink now. Would think they're more concerned with getting their AD fired than moving conferences.
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(12-12-2017 10:06 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 08:18 AM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 07:40 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Our school does not fit in the A-10. Charlotte left the league. We have more in common with the C-USA schools. It's not the promised land but a means to get there for ODU.

Patience please...

Why don't we fit in the A-10? Curious as to why you say we have more in common with all of the Florida and Texas schools instead of VCU, U of R, GWU and Mason?

Is this a football versus basketball thing only?

I agree. I think we fit in very well and have a similar profile to the public schools in the A10. Plus UR and GW are within driving distance and we play St. Joes a lot anyway. We also have a lot in common with the CUSA schools, but they're all too far away, nobody cares about them in VA, and we recruit students from the A10 area more than the CUSA region.

Also: I think our football peak (and where we should strive to be) is at UCF, Houston level. Basically a top G5 program. If thats not our goal and what we can realistically hope to achieve, then we have no business being FBS. And UCF/USF have attained that status pretty quickly. We should only be about a decade or so behind them in football, and way ahead of UCF and just as good as USF in hoops.

Honestly outside of VCU and Mason the rest of the A-10 does nothing to very little in Virginia either. Very few people care about UR outside of the 804 area code. If the A-10 were a viable, 1-A football playing all sports option and the Monarchs were a member I honestly think we would be seeing some of the same problems there that we do in C-USA. People would have a hard time warming to the LaSalle's and St. Louis's of the world. As it stands the A-10 would only be a basketball upgrade from CUSA, a big downgrade in several Olympic sports and it does not offer football so it is way less attractive as a whole.
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Forget all this. Let's just start our own conference:

ODU
ECU
Marshall
Liberty
MTSU
WKU
USF
UCF
Charlotte
Coastal
USM
La Tech
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(12-12-2017 12:28 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 10:06 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 08:18 AM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 07:40 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Our school does not fit in the A-10. Charlotte left the league. We have more in common with the C-USA schools. It's not the promised land but a means to get there for ODU.

Patience please...

Why don't we fit in the A-10? Curious as to why you say we have more in common with all of the Florida and Texas schools instead of VCU, U of R, GWU and Mason?

Is this a football versus basketball thing only?

I agree. I think we fit in very well and have a similar profile to the public schools in the A10. Plus UR and GW are within driving distance and we play St. Joes a lot anyway. We also have a lot in common with the CUSA schools, but they're all too far away, nobody cares about them in VA, and we recruit students from the A10 area more than the CUSA region.

Also: I think our football peak (and where we should strive to be) is at UCF, Houston level. Basically a top G5 program. If thats not our goal and what we can realistically hope to achieve, then we have no business being FBS. And UCF/USF have attained that status pretty quickly. We should only be about a decade or so behind them in football, and way ahead of UCF and just as good as USF in hoops.

Honestly outside of VCU and Mason the rest of the A-10 does nothing to very little in Virginia either. Very few people care about UR outside of the 804 area code. If the A-10 were a viable, 1-A football playing all sports option and the Monarchs were a member I honestly think we would be seeing some of the same problems there that we do in C-USA. People would have a hard time warming to the LaSalle's and St. Louis's of the world. As it stands the A-10 would only be a basketball upgrade from CUSA, a big downgrade in several Olympic sports and it does not offer football so it is way less attractive as a whole.

I agree. 7 of the 14 are Private Catholic and 10 of 14 are private with less than about 15k enrollment. We'd get a small bump in bball but the rest would be downgraded.
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Just wait for UConn to bail for the Big East. Once we build the new stadium, we will become the best candidate to replace them.
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UConn is always going to have the football problem with the Big East, unless they dropped down to FCS.

But, I do agree with the notion that CUSA, in its current form, cannot be the final destination for ODU Athletics. But, in my mind, we had to move up to FBS, even if CUSA was our best option, in order to put us in position for the next round of realignment.
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(12-12-2017 08:18 AM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 07:40 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Our school does not fit in the A-10. Charlotte left the league. We have more in common with the C-USA schools. It's not the promised land but a means to get there for ODU.

Patience please...

Why don't we fit in the A-10? Curious as to why you say we have more in common with all of the Florida and Texas schools instead of VCU, U of R, GWU and Mason?

Is this a football versus basketball thing only?


I see ODU and all of C-USA as a Football first conference with admission to the AAC as the next step up.

I see the A-10 is a basketball first conference with the Big East being the next step up.

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(12-12-2017 12:48 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Forget all this. Let's just start our own conference:

ODU
ECU JMU
Marshall
Liberty
MTSU
WKU
USF Richmond/Delaware/VCU
UCF
Charlotte
Coastal
USM
La Tech

Let's be honest, ECU isn't going anywhere at all and U_F isn't going anywhere other than the Big XII if they ever expand.

Only need 8 to make a conference or 10 for a FB championship game. No benefit to expand beyond that. Maybe with this more regional conference, the money makes sense for VCU to start football or for Richmond or Delaware to move up.
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(12-12-2017 12:28 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 10:06 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 08:18 AM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 07:40 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  Our school does not fit in the A-10. Charlotte left the league. We have more in common with the C-USA schools. It's not the promised land but a means to get there for ODU.

Patience please...

Why don't we fit in the A-10? Curious as to why you say we have more in common with all of the Florida and Texas schools instead of VCU, U of R, GWU and Mason?

Is this a football versus basketball thing only?

I agree. I think we fit in very well and have a similar profile to the public schools in the A10. Plus UR and GW are within driving distance and we play St. Joes a lot anyway. We also have a lot in common with the CUSA schools, but they're all too far away, nobody cares about them in VA, and we recruit students from the A10 area more than the CUSA region.

Also: I think our football peak (and where we should strive to be) is at UCF, Houston level. Basically a top G5 program. If thats not our goal and what we can realistically hope to achieve, then we have no business being FBS. And UCF/USF have attained that status pretty quickly. We should only be about a decade or so behind them in football, and way ahead of UCF and just as good as USF in hoops.

Honestly outside of VCU and Mason the rest of the A-10 does nothing to very little in Virginia either. Very few people care about UR outside of the 804 area code. If the A-10 were a viable, 1-A football playing all sports option and the Monarchs were a member I honestly think we would be seeing some of the same problems there that we do in C-USA. People would have a hard time warming to the LaSalle's and St. Louis's of the world. As it stands the A-10 would only be a basketball upgrade from CUSA, a big downgrade in several Olympic sports and it does not offer football so it is way less attractive as a whole.
This is a very misinformed take.

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(12-12-2017 01:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 12:48 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Forget all this. Let's just start our own conference:

ODU
ECU JMU
Marshall
Liberty
MTSU
WKU
USF Richmond/Delaware/VCU
UCF
Charlotte
Coastal
USM
La Tech

Let's be honest, ECU isn't going anywhere at all and U_F isn't going anywhere other than the Big XII if they ever expand.

Only need 8 to make a conference or 10 for a FB championship game. No benefit to expand beyond that. Maybe with this more regional conference, the money makes sense for VCU to start football or for Richmond or Delaware to move up.

THE BUDDY SYSTEM
ODU - JMU
MARSHALL - OHIO
MTSU - WKU
USM - LA TECH
UAB - GA STATE

That's at least 7 schools that pull their own weight in basketball "year in and year out"... And some pretty good football too 04-cheers
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Here's a hot take for you: the gap between the A-10 and CUSA isn't as big as you think.

Obviously it's a lot closer this year, but think medium and long-term: How much of a difference is there between the power programs in the A-10 and CUSA? More to the point, who are they consistent powers in the A-10? Dayton and VCU count but they're both down this season. Rhode Island is good now but they've had long stretches of mediocrity. UR and St. Joe's are fine but nothing special. St. Bonaventure has occasional spikes of relevance but like URI, lots of blah seasons in between. UMass is living on its past. And even though CUSA has more bad programs, it's not as though the A-10 is immune from it: Duquesne and Fordham come to mind, and usually there's at least one other crap factory (UR this season).

I think the A-10 will be better than CUSA most years, but their median season is a lot more likely to be 2-3 bids with occasional bumps to 4+ and falls to one-bid status, as this season is threatening to be. CUSA's median season should be 1-2 with occasional 3-bid seasons if everything breaks right (i.e. a core of strong teams do well in the OOC and tear through the conference schedule, only losing to each other). And once you get past home-and-homes with VCU, Richmond and George Mason (and not even them to a degree), the only interesting A-10 opponents are the ones doing really well that season. St. Louis can be a sellout or a shrug, depending on where they are that year.

If ODU could find a suitable home for football (or make one out of independence, which I would say is possible but not without a lot of work and money and luck), then I'd certainly like to see ODU in the A-10. But if the AAC is the white whale, then CUSA is the boat they need to be aboard.
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(12-12-2017 01:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 12:48 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Forget all this. Let's just start our own conference:

ODU
ECU JMU
Marshall
Liberty
MTSU
WKU
USF Richmond/Delaware/VCU
UCF
Charlotte
Coastal
USM
La Tech

Let's be honest, ECU isn't going anywhere at all and U_F isn't going anywhere other than the Big XII if they ever expand.

Only need 8 to make a conference or 10 for a FB championship game. No benefit to expand beyond that. Maybe with this more regional conference, the money makes sense for VCU to start football or for Richmond or Delaware to move up.

VCU, I've come to realize, will never start football. They don't have the resources or the desire. And Richmond will never move to FBS; they're not going off-campus with a football stadium again and there's a hard cap on how big an on-campus stadium can be between the landlocked nature of the campus itself and the complaints of the surrounding neighborhood (when they built their football stadium, they had to agree to limit seating to less than that of the Robins Center). There will never be an FBS stadium on the UR campus.
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(12-12-2017 01:42 PM)ODUi Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 01:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 12:48 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Forget all this. Let's just start our own conference:

ODU
ECU JMU
Marshall
Liberty
MTSU
WKU
USF Richmond/Delaware/VCU
UCF
Charlotte
Coastal
USM
La Tech

Let's be honest, ECU isn't going anywhere at all and U_F isn't going anywhere other than the Big XII if they ever expand.

Only need 8 to make a conference or 10 for a FB championship game. No benefit to expand beyond that. Maybe with this more regional conference, the money makes sense for VCU to start football or for Richmond or Delaware to move up.

THE BUDDY SYSTEM
ODU - JMU
MARSHALL - OHIO
MTSU - WKU
USM - LA TECH
UAB - GA STATE

That's at least 7 schools that pull their own weight in basketball "year in and year out"... And some pretty good football too 04-cheers

I love the collection of schools, but a conference that goes from Ohio to Atlanta to Louisiana is almost as ridiculous as CUSA and the AAC. That makes it tough to generate press and to be attractive to regional TV. But on the plus side, I think it would be a stronger overall conference if for another reason than shedding some dead weight.

I think I would add UNCC-App St. also and probably would prefer it to CUSA.
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(12-12-2017 12:54 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Just wait for UConn to bail for the Big East. Once we build the new stadium, we will become the best candidate to replace them.

Assuming we actually do a good job with the stadium. Though my guess is they just bring in UMass and call it a day.
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(12-12-2017 12:57 PM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  I see ODU and all of C-USA as a Football first conference with admission to the AAC as the next step up.

I see the A-10 is a basketball first conference with the Big East being the next step up.

For most schools, the A-10 is a terminus. Dayton and St. Louis are rumored Big East candidates, Richmond might be a long-shot one (apparently they have good relations with Georgetown?), and UMass is crossing its collective fingers for an AAC invite. Other than that, the Big East is probably too hung up on the private-school thing to let big public VCU in, and none of the other schools move the needle.
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