(12-13-2017 06:44 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:39 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:38 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:37 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:32 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Lets be real theres only about 15 teams that compete for a national championship in football. While no AAC team falls in that list neither does North Carolina, Duke, Indiana, etc.

If UNC, Duke, or Indiana went undefeated this season they would be in the playoff.

They aren't going undefeated, ever, so thats irrelevant.

Probably, but that not the point.

Yes it is. G5 teams aren't excluded from playing in the playoffs. Its stacked against them but it isn't impossible. If UH had gone undefeated last year they were in. Realistically G5 teams are as likely to compete for a national championship as 3/4 of the P5.

I don't see how you can be sure of that. For all we know UH would have been ranked 5th by the committee.

(12-13-2017 06:47 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:44 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:39 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:38 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:37 PM)AndShock Wrote:  If UNC, Duke, or Indiana went undefeated this season they would be in the playoff.

They aren't going undefeated, ever, so thats irrelevant.

Probably, but that not the point.

Yes it is. G5 teams aren't excluded from playing in the playoffs. Its stacked against them but it isn't impossible. If UH had gone undefeated last year they were in. Realistically G5 teams are as likely to compete for a national championship as 3/4 of the P5.

I don't see how you can be sure of that. For all we know UH would have been ranked 5th by the committee.

Because a 13-0 UH would have crushed Washington's resume.

(12-13-2017 06:53 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:47 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:44 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:39 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:38 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  They aren't going undefeated, ever, so thats irrelevant.

Probably, but that not the point.

Yes it is. G5 teams aren't excluded from playing in the playoffs. Its stacked against them but it isn't impossible. If UH had gone undefeated last year they were in. Realistically G5 teams are as likely to compete for a national championship as 3/4 of the P5.

I don't see how you can be sure of that. For all we know UH would have been ranked 5th by the committee.

Because a 13-0 UH would have crushed Washington's resume.

That’s cute, you think the committee actually cares about resumes.

(12-13-2017 06:55 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:53 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:47 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:44 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:39 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  Probably, but that not the point.

Yes it is. G5 teams aren't excluded from playing in the playoffs. Its stacked against them but it isn't impossible. If UH had gone undefeated last year they were in. Realistically G5 teams are as likely to compete for a national championship as 3/4 of the P5.

I don't see how you can be sure of that. For all we know UH would have been ranked 5th by the committee.

Because a 13-0 UH would have crushed Washington's resume.

That’s cute, you think the committee actually cares about resumes.

Yes. Thats why OSU got in last year over PSU.

(12-13-2017 05:39 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

Quote:2) the strongest basketball schools have a football component which drives revenue that ultimately seeps into basketball and other sports. Does that mean football is their only money maker? Not at all. It's just that history has shown the top basketball schools are typically schools which also sponsor football.

The strongest basketball schools have a P5 football component.

Top 25:
19 P5 football programs
4 no football
1 FCS Program
1 non-P5 FBS

Stop acting like non-P5 football = P5 football

It doesn’t.

UConn won the national championship in both men’s and women’s basketball as a member of the AAC, while having a football team in the AAC. P5 has zero to do with it.

(12-13-2017 08:35 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 05:39 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

Quote:2) the strongest basketball schools have a football component which drives revenue that ultimately seeps into basketball and other sports. Does that mean football is their only money maker? Not at all. It's just that history has shown the top basketball schools are typically schools which also sponsor football.

The strongest basketball schools have a P5 football component.

Top 25:
19 P5 football programs
4 no football
1 FCS Program
1 non-P5 FBS

Stop acting like non-P5 football = P5 football

It doesn’t.

UConn won the national championship in both men’s and women’s basketball as a member of the AAC, while having a football team in the AAC. P5 has zero to do with it.

Yes, I’m sure their football team is the reason for their men’s and women’s basketball national championships.

This thread has taken quite a turn but has come full circle back to UConn. Well done.

(12-13-2017 06:37 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:32 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 05:39 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

Quote:2) the strongest basketball schools have a football component which drives revenue that ultimately seeps into basketball and other sports. Does that mean football is their only money maker? Not at all. It's just that history has shown the top basketball schools are typically schools which also sponsor football.

The strongest basketball schools have a P5 football component.

Top 25:
19 P5 football programs
4 no football
1 FCS Program
1 non-P5 FBS

Stop acting like non-P5 football = P5 football

It doesn’t.

Lets be real theres only about 15 teams that compete for a national championship in football. While no AAC team falls in that list neither does North Carolina, Duke, Indiana, etc.

If UNC, Duke, or Indiana went undefeated this season they would be in the playoff.

Duke’s best record in their history was in 2013. They finished the regular season 10-2. It was their first time reaching 10 wins in a season, yet their highest ranking that year was 20th. You really think if they won those two additional games they’d magically jump to No. 4 or higher? No.

In their 120-year history, Indiana football has never reached the 10-win mark. That one is out of the question.

Of the three schools, UNC probably has the best chance to reach the playoff and even that is a long shot.

(12-13-2017 10:26 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:37 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:32 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 05:39 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

Quote:2) the strongest basketball schools have a football component which drives revenue that ultimately seeps into basketball and other sports. Does that mean football is their only money maker? Not at all. It's just that history has shown the top basketball schools are typically schools which also sponsor football.

The strongest basketball schools have a P5 football component.

Top 25:
19 P5 football programs
4 no football
1 FCS Program
1 non-P5 FBS

Stop acting like non-P5 football = P5 football

It doesn’t.

Lets be real theres only about 15 teams that compete for a national championship in football. While no AAC team falls in that list neither does North Carolina, Duke, Indiana, etc.

If UNC, Duke, or Indiana went undefeated this season they would be in the playoff.

Duke’s best record in their history was in 2013. They finished the regular season 10-2. It was their first time reaching 10 wins in a season, yet their highest ranking that year was 20th. You really think if they won those two additional games they’d magically jump to No. 4 or higher? No.

In their 120-year history, Indiana football has never reached the 10-win mark. That one is out of the question.

Of the three schools, UNC probably has the best chance to reach the playoff and even that is a long shot.

You think an undefeated ACC school gets left out of the playoffs? Yikes.

(12-13-2017 08:44 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 08:35 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 05:39 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

Quote:2) the strongest basketball schools have a football component which drives revenue that ultimately seeps into basketball and other sports. Does that mean football is their only money maker? Not at all. It's just that history has shown the top basketball schools are typically schools which also sponsor football.

The strongest basketball schools have a P5 football component.

Top 25:
19 P5 football programs
4 no football
1 FCS Program
1 non-P5 FBS

Stop acting like non-P5 football = P5 football

It doesn’t.

UConn won the national championship in both men’s and women’s basketball as a member of the AAC, while having a football team in the AAC. P5 has zero to do with it.

Yes, I’m sure their football team is the reason for their men’s and women’s basketball national championships.

I never made that claim. My claim is that football drives the bus. I’m sure UConn’s football revenue doesn’t hurt the success of their basketball teams.

(12-13-2017 10:28 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:26 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:37 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:32 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 05:39 PM)AndShock Wrote:  The strongest basketball schools have a P5 football component.

Top 25:
19 P5 football programs
4 no football
1 FCS Program
1 non-P5 FBS

Stop acting like non-P5 football = P5 football

It doesn’t.

Lets be real theres only about 15 teams that compete for a national championship in football. While no AAC team falls in that list neither does North Carolina, Duke, Indiana, etc.

If UNC, Duke, or Indiana went undefeated this season they would be in the playoff.

Duke’s best record in their history was in 2013. They finished the regular season 10-2. It was their first time reaching 10 wins in a season, yet their highest ranking that year was 20th. You really think if they won those two additional games they’d magically jump to No. 4 or higher? No.

In their 120-year history, Indiana football has never reached the 10-win mark. That one is out of the question.

Of the three schools, UNC probably has the best chance to reach the playoff and even that is a long shot.

You think an undefeated ACC school gets left out of the playoffs? Yikes.

Depends on their resume. Just like it depends on the resumes of the top schools outside of the P5.

(12-13-2017 10:31 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:28 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:26 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:37 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:32 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Lets be real theres only about 15 teams that compete for a national championship in football. While no AAC team falls in that list neither does North Carolina, Duke, Indiana, etc.

If UNC, Duke, or Indiana went undefeated this season they would be in the playoff.

Duke’s best record in their history was in 2013. They finished the regular season 10-2. It was their first time reaching 10 wins in a season, yet their highest ranking that year was 20th. You really think if they won those two additional games they’d magically jump to No. 4 or higher? No.

In their 120-year history, Indiana football has never reached the 10-win mark. That one is out of the question.

Of the three schools, UNC probably has the best chance to reach the playoff and even that is a long shot.

You think an undefeated ACC school gets left out of the playoffs? Yikes.

Depends on their resume. Just like it depends on the resumes of the top schools outside of the P5.

I admire your naivete but I simply don't agree. I guess it will take some sort of massive screw job for you to see the light.

(12-13-2017 10:36 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:31 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:28 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:26 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:37 PM)AndShock Wrote:  If UNC, Duke, or Indiana went undefeated this season they would be in the playoff.

Duke’s best record in their history was in 2013. They finished the regular season 10-2. It was their first time reaching 10 wins in a season, yet their highest ranking that year was 20th. You really think if they won those two additional games they’d magically jump to No. 4 or higher? No.

In their 120-year history, Indiana football has never reached the 10-win mark. That one is out of the question.

Of the three schools, UNC probably has the best chance to reach the playoff and even that is a long shot.

You think an undefeated ACC school gets left out of the playoffs? Yikes.

Depends on their resume. Just like it depends on the resumes of the top schools outside of the P5.

I admire your naivete but I simply don't agree. I guess it will take some sort of massive screw job for you to see the light.

Like I said earlier, we can agree to disagree. Fact is that football drives the bus. I didn’t think that would ruffle so many of your fans’ feathers but with WSU being a basketball school, I can see how that’s not really what you guys want to hear. Sadly, it’s true.

(12-13-2017 10:26 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:37 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:32 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 05:39 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

Quote:2) the strongest basketball schools have a football component which drives revenue that ultimately seeps into basketball and other sports. Does that mean football is their only money maker? Not at all. It's just that history has shown the top basketball schools are typically schools which also sponsor football.

The strongest basketball schools have a P5 football component.

Top 25:
19 P5 football programs
4 no football
1 FCS Program
1 non-P5 FBS

Stop acting like non-P5 football = P5 football

It doesn’t.

Lets be real theres only about 15 teams that compete for a national championship in football. While no AAC team falls in that list neither does North Carolina, Duke, Indiana, etc.

If UNC, Duke, or Indiana went undefeated this season they would be in the playoff.

Duke’s best record in their history was in 2013. They finished the regular season 10-2. It was their first time reaching 10 wins in a season, yet their highest ranking that year was 20th. You really think if they won those two additional games they’d magically jump to No. 4 or higher? No.

In their 120-year history, Indiana football has never reached the 10-win mark. That one is out of the question.

Of the three schools, UNC probably has the best chance to reach the playoff and even that is a long shot.

Your logic is faulty. Just because Duke, NC, & IU have never been good enough to compete for a national championship doesn't mean they never will. Kansas State was the worst D1 football program ever before Bill Snyder took over yet they were literally minutes away from being in the national championship game in 1998 before they blew a 4th quarter lead in the B12 championship.

(12-13-2017 10:46 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:26 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:37 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:32 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 05:39 PM)AndShock Wrote:  The strongest basketball schools have a P5 football component.

Top 25:
19 P5 football programs
4 no football
1 FCS Program
1 non-P5 FBS

Stop acting like non-P5 football = P5 football

It doesn’t.

Lets be real theres only about 15 teams that compete for a national championship in football. While no AAC team falls in that list neither does North Carolina, Duke, Indiana, etc.

If UNC, Duke, or Indiana went undefeated this season they would be in the playoff.

Duke’s best record in their history was in 2013. They finished the regular season 10-2. It was their first time reaching 10 wins in a season, yet their highest ranking that year was 20th. You really think if they won those two additional games they’d magically jump to No. 4 or higher? No.

In their 120-year history, Indiana football has never reached the 10-win mark. That one is out of the question.

Of the three schools, UNC probably has the best chance to reach the playoff and even that is a long shot.

Your logic is faulty. Just because Duke, NC, & IU have never been good enough to compete for a national championship doesn't mean they never will. Kansas State was the worst D1 football program ever before Bill Snyder took over yet they were literally minutes away from being in the national championship game in 1998 before they blew a 4th quarter lead in the B12 championship.

Like I said, we can agree to disagree. Football drives the bus. Period.

(12-13-2017 10:28 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:26 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:37 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 06:32 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 05:39 PM)AndShock Wrote:  The strongest basketball schools have a P5 football component.

Top 25:
19 P5 football programs
4 no football
1 FCS Program
1 non-P5 FBS

Stop acting like non-P5 football = P5 football

It doesn’t.

Lets be real theres only about 15 teams that compete for a national championship in football. While no AAC team falls in that list neither does North Carolina, Duke, Indiana, etc.

If UNC, Duke, or Indiana went undefeated this season they would be in the playoff.

Duke’s best record in their history was in 2013. They finished the regular season 10-2. It was their first time reaching 10 wins in a season, yet their highest ranking that year was 20th. You really think if they won those two additional games they’d magically jump to No. 4 or higher? No.

In their 120-year history, Indiana football has never reached the 10-win mark. That one is out of the question.

Of the three schools, UNC probably has the best chance to reach the playoff and even that is a long shot.

You think an undefeated ACC school gets left out of the playoffs? Yikes.

People were trying to argue that an undefeated Wisconsin team wouldn't have been a lock this year.

And that's why football drives an effed up bus.

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NCAA Basketball Championships

4 UConn
2 Cincinnati
0 UCF
0 Wichita State


I think instead of arguing we should support one another in our quest to win our first championship.