(12-11-2017 03:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Christians might not do a suicide bomb but that was only part of the question. The other part was an act of violence.

Can you name a recent act of Christian violence?

How about Muslim?

How do they compare in their violence and frequency?

Again, I call BS on your guess and feel that you're only trying to draw a ridiculous equivalency.

(12-11-2017 04:16 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 03:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Christians might not do a suicide bomb but that was only part of the question. The other part was an act of violence.

Can you name a recent act of Christian violence?

How about Muslim?

How do they compare in their violence and frequency?

Again, I call BS on your guess and feel that you're only trying to draw a ridiculous equivalency.

(12-11-2017 03:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 03:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 03:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  If you were to ask Christians if they would resort to violence to defend the religion, I bet you'd get the same numbers.

so if you'd ask Christians a different question, you'd get the same answer?

That's reasonable.... not.

There is close to zero evidence to support your claim. When is the last time a Christian detonated a suicide bomb and 20^ of Christians ANYWHERE said it was okay??

Christians might not do a suicide bomb but that was only part of the question. The other part was an act of violence.

Why can't I find a pew poll with "Christian" substituted for "Muslim". If it's a legitimate concern, why is the data lacking?

(12-11-2017 01:39 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 01:09 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 12:32 PM)miko33 Wrote:  ...feel that it is justified to kill people in the name of said religion...IMHO, that religion should be invalidated in any sane person's mind. I'm not saying that it should be outlawed in the U.S.; however, I think it's sane to call it out for what it really is. IMHO, Islam is in reality a godless cult run by men for the sole purpose of furthering the will of the men in charge of the various denominations within Islam.

I get that the majority of Muslims are probably peaceful people. But when 40%, 30% or even 20% of the people who believe in the religion believes that it is right in the eyes of God to kill in his name - there is a fundamental problem with the religion itself. This sh!t was typical back in the 1400s and earlier. Not today. Islam has way too many artifacts from a bygone era where we should know better. Sadly, the truly pathetic part is that Muslims in the middle ages were MUCH more tolerant and believers in propagating science than the idiots in the ME are today. That is a major problem for today's Muslims to grapple with.

There is really no reason whatsoever to allow for muslim immigration. Some of these place up to 20% of them think terrorism is fine and the vast majority are in favor of sharia law. We don't need them here.

Substitute the word "Muslim" for "Jews" and your statement could have come straight from an Adolph Hitler speech.

Jews didn't run around killing in the name of God. In other words, you couldn't be more wrong.

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(12-11-2017 06:28 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 01:39 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 01:09 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 12:32 PM)miko33 Wrote:  ...feel that it is justified to kill people in the name of said religion...IMHO, that religion should be invalidated in any sane person's mind. I'm not saying that it should be outlawed in the U.S.; however, I think it's sane to call it out for what it really is. IMHO, Islam is in reality a godless cult run by men for the sole purpose of furthering the will of the men in charge of the various denominations within Islam.

I get that the majority of Muslims are probably peaceful people. But when 40%, 30% or even 20% of the people who believe in the religion believes that it is right in the eyes of God to kill in his name - there is a fundamental problem with the religion itself. This sh!t was typical back in the 1400s and earlier. Not today. Islam has way too many artifacts from a bygone era where we should know better. Sadly, the truly pathetic part is that Muslims in the middle ages were MUCH more tolerant and believers in propagating science than the idiots in the ME are today. That is a major problem for today's Muslims to grapple with.

There is really no reason whatsoever to allow for muslim immigration. Some of these place up to 20% of them think terrorism is fine and the vast majority are in favor of sharia law. We don't need them here.

Substitute the word "Muslim" for "Jews" and your statement could have come straight from an Adolph Hitler speech.

Jews didn't run around killing in the name of God. In other words, you couldn't be more wrong.

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#perfecto

Why Islam is a totalitarian system

(12-11-2017 10:32 PM)BEARCATDALE Wrote:  Why Islam is a totalitarian system

don't get me started....

I simply wish all of dollywoodisms 'wood' move there and support their 'cause and effect'.....

those dispshites only understand one thing.....die or die.....

#fuckthat

(12-11-2017 03:01 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 12:43 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  There are over 1.8 billion muslims so you believe at your 20% figure that 360 million muslims believe that it is right to kill in the name of allah, you are ******* insane.

Given the polls, I don't think 20% is ****** insane. It might be high, but it's not insane.

What do you think the number is? 10%? That's still 180mm Muslims.
How about 5%? That's still 90mm.

No matter how you shake it, its a HELL of a lot of people who think that killing innocent people is 'okay'.... and relatively speaking, the US is still fairly lightly populated

That says nothing about my opinion on whether that religion should be invalidated etc.... but certain aspects of such religions should be rooted out.... MOSTLY by the other 1.7byn Muslims, but for some reason, they can't/won't/won't let us/vocally help us.

If the leaders of all these Islamic nations actually disavowed such actions, we would see fewer of them because those who disagree would out themselves and those leaders would deal with them. I'm not talking about protests or beliefs or whatever, but actions leading to deaths.

Remember all the deaths that were supposed to happen in the US because of Trump? While outrageous, where is ANY such concern in those other countries?

What percentage of the white or Christian population in the US similarly thinks killing innocent black people is okay (or vice versa)?

I'm betting it's a fraction of 1% of either group.

"What do you think the number is? 10%? That's still 180mm Muslims."

That's half of the population of the US, "the religion of peace" is pretty messed up.

The problem is that Libturds think it's okay.

Those people that commit atrocities in the name of Jesus are not Christians. Read your Bible Fit. What did Jesus say? Love thy neighbor as thyself. If you love yourself you wouldn't be killing or maiming or even hurting people. He also said to follow the laws of the land. You didn't know that, did you.

(12-12-2017 06:53 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 03:01 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 12:43 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  There are over 1.8 billion muslims so you believe at your 20% figure that 360 million muslims believe that it is right to kill in the name of allah, you are ******* insane.

Given the polls, I don't think 20% is ****** insane. It might be high, but it's not insane.

What do you think the number is? 10%? That's still 180mm Muslims.
How about 5%? That's still 90mm.

No matter how you shake it, its a HELL of a lot of people who think that killing innocent people is 'okay'.... and relatively speaking, the US is still fairly lightly populated

That says nothing about my opinion on whether that religion should be invalidated etc.... but certain aspects of such religions should be rooted out.... MOSTLY by the other 1.7byn Muslims, but for some reason, they can't/won't/won't let us/vocally help us.

If the leaders of all these Islamic nations actually disavowed such actions, we would see fewer of them because those who disagree would out themselves and those leaders would deal with them. I'm not talking about protests or beliefs or whatever, but actions leading to deaths.

Remember all the deaths that were supposed to happen in the US because of Trump? While outrageous, where is ANY such concern in those other countries?

What percentage of the white or Christian population in the US similarly thinks killing innocent black people is okay (or vice versa)?

I'm betting it's a fraction of 1% of either group.

"What do you think the number is? 10%? That's still 180mm Muslims."

That's half of the population of the US, "the religion of peace" is pretty messed up.

The problem is that Libturds think it's okay.

Liberals can't explain their love of Islam.

Christian baker that happily served gay couples for years declines to make a wedding cake and take part in their wedding because of religious beliefs: Liberals scream Christians are intolerant bigots for not embracing homosexuality

In numerous Muslim countries around the world homosexuals are stoned to death or tossed off buildings because of religious beliefs:
Liberals are silent.





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(12-12-2017 09:13 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Liberals can't explain their love of Islam.

Maybe, but I can.

It’s a minority group, therefore it’s an oppressed group, and thus it's not bad.

Not a liberal; however, I've never been one to blame almost 2 billion innocents due to the atrocities of a few. And no, I don't expect 2 billion people to ALL apologize each time some idiot decides to blow something up.

(12-11-2017 12:32 PM)miko33 Wrote:  ...feel that it is justified to kill people in the name of said religion...IMHO, that religion should be invalidated in any sane person's mind. I'm not saying that it should be outlawed in the U.S.; however, I think it's sane to call it out for what it really is. IMHO, Islam is in reality a godless cult run by men for the sole purpose of furthering the will of the men in charge of the various denominations within Islam.

I get that the majority of Muslims are probably peaceful people. But when 40%, 30% or even 20% of the people who believe in the religion believes that it is right in the eyes of God to kill in his name - there is a fundamental problem with the religion itself. This sh!t was typical back in the 1400s and earlier. Not today. Islam has way too many artifacts from a bygone era where we should know better. Sadly, the truly pathetic part is that Muslims in the middle ages were MUCH more tolerant and believers in propagating science than the idiots in the ME are today. That is a major problem for today's Muslims to grapple with.

Its the problem of particular country's cultures, not the religion. Medieval Europe was pretty intolerant. American Muslims aren't.

(12-11-2017 12:32 PM)miko33 Wrote:  ...feel that it is justified to kill people in the name of said religion...IMHO, that religion should be invalidated in any sane person's mind. I'm not saying that it should be outlawed in the U.S.; however, I think it's sane to call it out for what it really is. IMHO, Islam is in reality a godless cult run by men for the sole purpose of furthering the will of the men in charge of the various denominations within Islam.
I get that the majority of Muslims are probably peaceful people. But when 40%, 30% or even 20% of the people who believe in the religion believes that it is right in the eyes of God to kill in his name - there is a fundamental problem with the religion itself. This sh!t was typical back in the 1400s and earlier. Not today. Islam has way too many artifacts from a bygone era where we should know better. Sadly, the truly pathetic part is that Muslims in the middle ages were MUCH more tolerant and believers in propagating science than the idiots in the ME are today. That is a major problem for today's Muslims to grapple with.

Well, like it or not, a large part of the problem is that our attempts to westernize the Middle East drives many of them into the radical camp. Muslims were a problem for Europe until around 1500. Dias and da Gama found a way around Africa to India, and suddenly the overland trade routes became irrelevant, and we didn't hear much from them for about 400 years. Then we found oil there, and they became economically relevant again. So we started trying to micromanage their culture--for their own good, of course. And now they are reacting.

We build a school in Afghanistan, and for the first time boys and girls go ton school together. And 80% of them love. Problem is, the other 20% are down at the al-Qaeda/ISIS/terrorist flavor of the month recruiting office..

Leave them alone, and thy will leave us alone. Mess with them, and they mess with us. It's not rocket science.

Empower moderate Muslims to modernize at their own pace and it will happen.

(12-13-2017 09:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 12:32 PM)miko33 Wrote:  ...feel that it is justified to kill people in the name of said religion...IMHO, that religion should be invalidated in any sane person's mind. I'm not saying that it should be outlawed in the U.S.; however, I think it's sane to call it out for what it really is. IMHO, Islam is in reality a godless cult run by men for the sole purpose of furthering the will of the men in charge of the various denominations within Islam.
I get that the majority of Muslims are probably peaceful people. But when 40%, 30% or even 20% of the people who believe in the religion believes that it is right in the eyes of God to kill in his name - there is a fundamental problem with the religion itself. This sh!t was typical back in the 1400s and earlier. Not today. Islam has way too many artifacts from a bygone era where we should know better. Sadly, the truly pathetic part is that Muslims in the middle ages were MUCH more tolerant and believers in propagating science than the idiots in the ME are today. That is a major problem for today's Muslims to grapple with.

Well, like it or not, a large part of the problem is that our attempts to westernize the Middle East drives many of them into the radical camp. Muslims were a problem for Europe until around 1500. Dias and da Gama found a way around Africa to India, and suddenly the overland trade routes became irrelevant, and we didn't hear much from them for about 400 years. Then we found oil there, and they became economically relevant again. So we started trying to micromanage their culture--for their own good, of course. And now they are reacting.

We build a school in Afghanistan, and for the first time boys and girls go ton school together. And 80% of them love. Problem is, the other 20% are down at the al-Qaeda/ISIS/terrorist flavor of the month recruiting office..

Leave them alone, and thy will leave us alone. Mess with them, and they mess with us. It's not rocket science.

Empower moderate Muslims to modernize at their own pace and it will happen.

Not sure I agree with the bold part. IMO, they'd still hate and attack even if we left them alone. That hate pluralism, so, IMO, they'd attack irregardless if we are over there or not.

(12-13-2017 09:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Leave them alone, and they will leave us alone.

That is not what the Koran says.

(12-11-2017 03:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  If you were to ask Christians if they would resort to violence to defend the religion, I bet you'd get the same numbers.

And I bet you ate lead paint as a child to lead you to that conclusion. Frame it another way and ask them if they'd resort to violence to defend against violence and you might have a point but ask them to commit violence to defend against someone blaspheming God or Jesus and you'd likely just draw blank stares, as in wtf are you even talking about.

Thanks for playing, do try again.

(12-13-2017 09:48 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 09:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Leave them alone, and they will leave us alone.

That is not what the Koran says.

(12-13-2017 09:57 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 09:48 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 09:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Leave them alone, and they will leave us alone.

That is not what the Koran says.

Koran also forbids suicide, so..... Like someone else mentioned a lot of this stuff is cultural, not religious. Folks everywhere have used their view of a religion to shape culture for eons. I don't even think the hijab is mandated by the Koran.

(12-13-2017 08:42 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 09:13 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Liberals can't explain their love of Islam.

Maybe, but I can.

It’s a minority group, therefore it’s an oppressed group, and thus it's not bad.

It's a group of over 1 billion. Hardly a minority by any stretch of the imaginative.

I think the liberals so called "love" of Islam comes from a little known phrase called "freedom of religion".

Remember that phrase?