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(12-10-2017 12:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:12 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Wonder why it’s hard to sign guys like Tyler Harris? Read his coach’s remarks.

You don’t think these guys read message boards? Listen to local talk radio? Honestly, if I were a local kid exposed to this negativity, I’d go elsewhere too.

According to the Harris camp it is because Tubby ignored him most of his recruitment. Even after they "started" recruiting him, Tubby rarely calls or visits.

So who do you want to blame? The Tub for being the laziest college coach of all time, or the fans?

Why are you asking the poster who HE wants to blame? He told you what Harris' COACH thinks of our fans. Who do you think has more influence over our recruits, the poster you quoted or Harris' current coach?
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(12-10-2017 12:37 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:12 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Wonder why it’s hard to sign guys like Tyler Harris? Read his coach’s remarks.

You don’t think these guys read message boards? Listen to local talk radio? Honestly, if I were a local kid exposed to this negativity, I’d go elsewhere too.

According to the Harris camp it is because Tubby ignored him most of his recruitment. Even after they "started" recruiting him, Tubby rarely calls or visits.

So who do you want to blame? The Tub for being the laziest college coach of all time, or the fans?

Why are you asking the poster who HE wants to blame? He told you what Harris' COACH thinks of our fans. Who do you think has more influence over our recruits, the poster you quoted or Harris' current coach?

Well, we have his highschool coach saying one thing, and his FATHER saying something else. Who knows more about the situation? If it were his AAU coach, then maybe.

Also it doesn't even hold up considering Lomax decided against Memphis before the season even started to SEE the fans not showing up.

The season was barely started when Harris decided to wait until spring.

So the very timing shows how ridiculous that coach's statement was.
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Poor Mark has much to learn about Tiger basketball. In no way is the current level of performance acceptable to Tiger fans. We have been among the luckiest teams in D-1 per KenPom lucky and our opponents have been missing key players. We could easily have lost two games that we won.
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(12-10-2017 11:56 AM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  Quote on Twitter from beat writer Mark Giannotto

I know the basketball hasn't been pretty at times and the attendance is really bad, but you'd think Memphis was 2-6 (not 6-2) from looking at my mentions.

I'm surprised so many are so ready to bury this team before it even loses a bunch of games....


So because we’re 6-2 squeaking out wins over Mercer, Northern Kentucky, etc...We should be happy about Tiger Basketball.....Also followed it up with a quote from Cordova Highs Basketball Coach who said “Our fans are fairweather and no wonder players don’t wanna play there”

Tubby should have recruited better, promoted the program better, retained at least some of the talent he inherited and win and create hope. The fair weather fans (to the extent they exist compared to other schools) would then be content and attend games.
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(12-10-2017 12:37 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:36 PM)TG4 Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:34 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:30 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  According to the Harris camp it is because Tubby ignored him most of his recruitment. Even after they "started" recruiting him, Tubby rarely calls or visits.

So who do you want to blame? The Tub for being the laziest college coach of all time, or the fans?

Tubby was at his last game. Harris knows that Tubby wants him badly. I don’t think he doesn’t feel wanted.

All I’m saying is his coach (who wields considerable influence on Tyler) is calling out the fan base in a huge way. I agree with him. Seriously, if I were him, I’d go elsewhere.

Not sure why Harris hasn’t committed. Maybe it’s Tubby. Maybe it’s 2,000 people going to the game. Maybe it’s the extreme negativity. Maybe he just wants to leave the city. I don’t know?

Once again, Harris's camp have SAID why they have not commited. Tubby goes two weeks at a time without making a phone call. That is not how you recruit a player.

Listen to Alex Lomax's father talk about how little they recruited ALo. He was supposed to be their priority, they live in the same city but somehow coaches from other states were more actively recruiting him than the Tub was.

All this stuff has been documented, time and time again. It isn't the fans, it is a coach who does next to nothing recruiting.

You are clueless.

Says the guy who abandoned the program over LP being a coach. You are a football player and still could not see LP was a terrible coach.

Another lie. I had season tickets during the Fuente era but you keep on keepin’ on.
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“If you build it, they will come...”
Consequently...
“If you tear it down, they will leave”
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(12-10-2017 12:40 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:37 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:12 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Wonder why it’s hard to sign guys like Tyler Harris? Read his coach’s remarks.

You don’t think these guys read message boards? Listen to local talk radio? Honestly, if I were a local kid exposed to this negativity, I’d go elsewhere too.

According to the Harris camp it is because Tubby ignored him most of his recruitment. Even after they "started" recruiting him, Tubby rarely calls or visits.

So who do you want to blame? The Tub for being the laziest college coach of all time, or the fans?

Why are you asking the poster who HE wants to blame? He told you what Harris' COACH thinks of our fans. Who do you think has more influence over our recruits, the poster you quoted or Harris' current coach?

Well, we have his highschool coach saying one thing, and his FATHER saying something else. Who knows more about the situation? If it were his AAU coach, then maybe.

Also it doesn't even hold up considering Lomax decided against Memphis before the season even started to SEE the fans not showing up.

The season was barely started when Harris decided to wait until spring.

So the very timing shows how ridiculous that coach's statement was.

I see Frank Harris fairly regularly. He runs basketball tournaments at World
Overcomers. I’ve never asked him about his son’s college plans. It’s none of my business. He did publicly say (I’ll find the link to the Commercial Appeal article if you just have to see it) that he spoke with Tubby and was OK with his reasons for not pushing hard for Tyler.

Tubby was all over Lomax. It’s weak to say he wasn’t shown enough attention. Tubby finally backed off when it looked like he was going elsewhere. He stated, over and over again, that Lomax was his number one priority. I’m not sure what else he could have done but bring out the knee pads.

The negativity started well before the season started. Really got bad after the Lawson’s left. This team was bashed daily over here and talk radio.

Oh, by the way, I saw Keelon coaching 12U basketball a few days ago. They lost.
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(12-10-2017 12:31 PM)TG4 Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:23 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:16 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:12 PM)TG4 Wrote:  It’s gonna be fun watching a lot of the haters (“fans” and media) come crawling back to Coach Tubby begging for forgiveness.

LOL.. You need to stick with Football, and maybe Banking!

I wish he would stick to football. However he thought Larry Porter was the answer and disappeared when Porter was fired. The joke is him telling everyone else how to be a good Tiger fan.

I’ll be kind to you so 450 doesn’t get inundated with your multiple whining tattle tale complaints.

You don’t know what the hell you are talking about. You saying you will be kind to me is joke. Like a said, stick to football, although since you’re the president of the Larry Porter fan club, maybe that’s not too wise either.
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(12-10-2017 11:56 AM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  Quote on Twitter from beat writer Mark Giannotto

I know the basketball hasn't been pretty at times and the attendance is really bad, but you'd think Memphis was 2-6 (not 6-2) from looking at my mentions.

I'm surprised so many are so ready to bury this team before it even loses a bunch of games....


So because we’re 6-2 squeaking out wins over Mercer, Northern Kentucky, etc...We should be happy about Tiger Basketball.....Also followed it up with a quote from Cordova Highs Basketball Coach who said “Our fans are fairweather and no wonder players don’t wanna play there”

Where did he say we should be HAPPY?
He simply said that he is "surprised so many are so ready to bury this team before it even loses a bunch of games".

I agree that the play has been substandard and they haven't really beaten a quality opponent, but they are 6-2, not 2-6.

FAN SUPPORT MATTERS! It matters in each game and it matters long-term for recruiting. Not a lot of high-level players want to play in a mostly empty building. Not a lot of high-level players want to play where they and the coaches are constantly bashed on local radio and social media. "Fans" that are making their point by staying away and bashing away are exacerbating the issue. "Fans" that want to be "entertained by a quality product" do not help the program get thru downturns more quickly. Sometimes fans have to pay their dues and cheer on a team that does not bring them the joy and entertainment value they would prefer, but that is what fans must do. Imagine if NOBODY supported Tiger football during the LONG PERIODS of substandard football. We would not have been able to enjoy the super-fun seasons of the past few years.

I am not happy with how Tubby has handled the program so far, but show up and support the team, the kids...this will help this team and help recruiting. It might help to land Tyler and turn the fortunes of Tiger basketball. Even if your tactics lead to the dismissal of Tubby, it will make it more difficult to land a good replacement coach. I know you don't agree with what Tubby is doing, but you really aren't giving him a chance to succeed.

OTOH, TYLER HARRIS CAN CHANGE THE NARRATIVE by committing. Commit to Memphis and provide fans with the HOPE that they are looking for. Be the one to help turn the program around for the good of your City. Commit to Memphis and see what happens...you can always de-commit and sign elsewhere if they season goes really badly and fan support does not improve. Fans are really just looking for HOPE, a sign that things are going to get better, a light at the end of the tubbel (sic).
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There's a lot of room between being happy and being a whiny little *****.
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(12-10-2017 12:40 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:37 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:12 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Wonder why it’s hard to sign guys like Tyler Harris? Read his coach’s remarks.

You don’t think these guys read message boards? Listen to local talk radio? Honestly, if I were a local kid exposed to this negativity, I’d go elsewhere too.

According to the Harris camp it is because Tubby ignored him most of his recruitment. Even after they "started" recruiting him, Tubby rarely calls or visits.

So who do you want to blame? The Tub for being the laziest college coach of all time, or the fans?

Why are you asking the poster who HE wants to blame? He told you what Harris' COACH thinks of our fans. Who do you think has more influence over our recruits, the poster you quoted or Harris' current coach?

Well, we have his highschool coach saying one thing, and his FATHER saying something else. Who knows more about the situation? If it were his AAU coach, then maybe.

Also it doesn't even hold up considering Lomax decided against Memphis before the season even started to SEE the fans not showing up.

The season was barely started when Harris decided to wait until spring.

So the very timing shows how ridiculous that coach's statement was.

How did Lomax get into this? And how does his father having a different opinion negate that of his coach, who also has some influence?

And when you call that coach's statement ridiculous, you once again state opinion as fact. It's not, it's your opinion. And if I have to decide whose opinion holds more weight with a top recruit, yours or his coach's, I'll take his coach's every time.
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(12-10-2017 01:03 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:40 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:37 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:12 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Wonder why it’s hard to sign guys like Tyler Harris? Read his coach’s remarks.

You don’t think these guys read message boards? Listen to local talk radio? Honestly, if I were a local kid exposed to this negativity, I’d go elsewhere too.

According to the Harris camp it is because Tubby ignored him most of his recruitment. Even after they "started" recruiting him, Tubby rarely calls or visits.

So who do you want to blame? The Tub for being the laziest college coach of all time, or the fans?

Why are you asking the poster who HE wants to blame? He told you what Harris' COACH thinks of our fans. Who do you think has more influence over our recruits, the poster you quoted or Harris' current coach?

Well, we have his highschool coach saying one thing, and his FATHER saying something else. Who knows more about the situation? If it were his AAU coach, then maybe.

Also it doesn't even hold up considering Lomax decided against Memphis before the season even started to SEE the fans not showing up.

The season was barely started when Harris decided to wait until spring.

So the very timing shows how ridiculous that coach's statement was.

I see Frank Harris fairly regularly. He runs basketball tournaments at World
Overcomers. I’ve never asked him about his son’s college plans. It’s none of my business. He did publicly say (I’ll find the link to the Commercial Appeal article if you just have to see it) that he spoke with Tubby and was OK with his reasons for not pushing hard for Tyler.

Tubby was all over Lomax. It’s weak to say he wasn’t shown enough attention. Tubby finally backed off when it looked like he was going elsewhere. He stated, over and over again, that Lomax was his number one priority. I’m not sure what else he could have done but bring out the knee pads.

The negativity started well before the season started. Really got bad after the Lawson’s left. This team was bashed daily over here and talk radio.

Oh, by the way, I saw Keelon coaching 12U basketball a few days ago. They lost.

Sometimes “negativity” is just reality
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(12-10-2017 01:13 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:40 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:37 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:12 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Wonder why it’s hard to sign guys like Tyler Harris? Read his coach’s remarks.

You don’t think these guys read message boards? Listen to local talk radio? Honestly, if I were a local kid exposed to this negativity, I’d go elsewhere too.

According to the Harris camp it is because Tubby ignored him most of his recruitment. Even after they "started" recruiting him, Tubby rarely calls or visits.

So who do you want to blame? The Tub for being the laziest college coach of all time, or the fans?

Why are you asking the poster who HE wants to blame? He told you what Harris' COACH thinks of our fans. Who do you think has more influence over our recruits, the poster you quoted or Harris' current coach?

Well, we have his highschool coach saying one thing, and his FATHER saying something else. Who knows more about the situation? If it were his AAU coach, then maybe.

Also it doesn't even hold up considering Lomax decided against Memphis before the season even started to SEE the fans not showing up.

The season was barely started when Harris decided to wait until spring.

So the very timing shows how ridiculous that coach's statement was.

How did Lomax get into this? And how does his father having a different opinion negate that of his coach, who also has some influence?

And when you call that coach's statement ridiculous, you once again state opinion as fact. It's not, it's your opinion. And if I have to decide whose opinion holds more weight with a top recruit, yours or his coach's, I'll take his coach's every time.

I think that Tyler just wanted to see how this season played out before committing, since last year ended on such a down note. Now, what he sees is increased negativity and fan apathy. Well, that is not going to help persuade him to pull the trigger for Memphis basketball. It sounds to me like his coach wants him to go to Memphis, but sees the fanbase's current actions as making that more unlikely. And, as a coach, it is difficult to advise your player to go to a program with this current situation - I mean, how can you?
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(12-10-2017 01:25 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 01:13 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:40 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:37 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  According to the Harris camp it is because Tubby ignored him most of his recruitment. Even after they "started" recruiting him, Tubby rarely calls or visits.

So who do you want to blame? The Tub for being the laziest college coach of all time, or the fans?

Why are you asking the poster who HE wants to blame? He told you what Harris' COACH thinks of our fans. Who do you think has more influence over our recruits, the poster you quoted or Harris' current coach?

Well, we have his highschool coach saying one thing, and his FATHER saying something else. Who knows more about the situation? If it were his AAU coach, then maybe.

Also it doesn't even hold up considering Lomax decided against Memphis before the season even started to SEE the fans not showing up.

The season was barely started when Harris decided to wait until spring.

So the very timing shows how ridiculous that coach's statement was.

How did Lomax get into this? And how does his father having a different opinion negate that of his coach, who also has some influence?

And when you call that coach's statement ridiculous, you once again state opinion as fact. It's not, it's your opinion. And if I have to decide whose opinion holds more weight with a top recruit, yours or his coach's, I'll take his coach's every time.

I think that Tyler just wanted to see how this season played out before committing, since last year ended on such a down note. Now, what he sees is increased negativity and fan apathy. Well, that is not going to help persuade him to pull the trigger for Memphis basketball. It sounds to me like his coach wants him to go to Memphis, but sees the fanbase's current actions as making that more unlikely. And, as a coach, it is difficult to advise your player to go to a program with this current situation - I mean, how can you?

I think Tubby failed to close the deal and Tyler now waits for what he considers a better offer in the Spring. We are his safety school. If he really wanted to play for Tubby, his name would be on the dotted line already.

Ironically, his signature would have given legit reason for hope for a better future and thus encourage attendance.
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(12-10-2017 12:12 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Wonder why it’s hard to sign guys like Tyler Harris? Read his coach’s remarks.

You don’t think these guys read message boards? Listen to local talk radio? Honestly, if I were a local kid exposed to this negativity, I’d go elsewhere too.

Amen.
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(12-10-2017 01:25 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 01:13 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:40 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:37 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  According to the Harris camp it is because Tubby ignored him most of his recruitment. Even after they "started" recruiting him, Tubby rarely calls or visits.

So who do you want to blame? The Tub for being the laziest college coach of all time, or the fans?

Why are you asking the poster who HE wants to blame? He told you what Harris' COACH thinks of our fans. Who do you think has more influence over our recruits, the poster you quoted or Harris' current coach?

Well, we have his highschool coach saying one thing, and his FATHER saying something else. Who knows more about the situation? If it were his AAU coach, then maybe.

Also it doesn't even hold up considering Lomax decided against Memphis before the season even started to SEE the fans not showing up.

The season was barely started when Harris decided to wait until spring.

So the very timing shows how ridiculous that coach's statement was.

How did Lomax get into this? And how does his father having a different opinion negate that of his coach, who also has some influence?

And when you call that coach's statement ridiculous, you once again state opinion as fact. It's not, it's your opinion. And if I have to decide whose opinion holds more weight with a top recruit, yours or his coach's, I'll take his coach's every time.

I think that Tyler just wanted to see how this season played out before committing, since last year ended on such a down note. Now, what he sees is increased negativity and fan apathy. Well, that is not going to help persuade him to pull the trigger for Memphis basketball. It sounds to me like his coach wants him to go to Memphis, but sees the fanbase's current actions as making that more unlikely. And, as a coach, it is difficult to advise your player to go to a program with this current situation - I mean, how can you?

This I agree with. And while it's not all Tubby's fault, a lot of it is. He adds nothing to promoting the program in a time when it should be balls to the wall trying to get more people to come.

While I'm no Calipari lover, the man DID arrange for a free TV to be given away to somebody in the upper deck at every game. THAT'S outside the box thinking. THAT'S how it's done.

Memphis is used to our bball program being a polished Dodge Viper, and right now it's a 2008 Toyota Civic. And if we can't afford the Viper anymore, can't we at least upgrade to a later model Civic?
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Tubby is a basketball coach, no magical powers. Going to be a long road back. Same as it was for Cal. If you need someone to blame, start with Pastner and move on to the Larsons.
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(12-10-2017 12:20 PM)Herff Tiger Wrote:  I know in this day and age, the discontent is fanned via the internet & social media, and that it is not as simple and cheap to go downtown to the Forum for a game, but the fanbase is putting on a pitiful display of itself and is indeed probably running the risk of self-induced injury.

I agree. The fanbase now has a culture. If it is unhappy about something or someone, they protest by not supporting the team. Did it to Finch, JP and now with Tubby. A fan is free to do as they please, but not going to games is a bad look, IMO.
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*The storied program was rolling. Then pastner came in.
*great recruits, terrible coaching
*apathy sets in
*lucky as hell break sends pastner to Georgia Tech
*Tubby is hired because he can coach
*clearly he and/or his staff can't identify nor can't get talent the program is used to getting
*apathy reappears in a way we haven't seen in decades

Gotta fix the thing...quickly
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(12-10-2017 01:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  *The storied program was rolling. Then pastner came in.
*great recruits, terrible coaching
*apathy sets in
*lucky as hell break sends pastner to Georgia Tech
*Tubby is hired because he can coach
*clearly he and/or his staff can't identify nor can't get talent the program is used to getting
*apathy reappears in a way we haven't seen in decades

Gotta fix the thing...quickly

The longer it takes, the harder it will be. In a way, Harris is in the same position Finch was. When Finch stayed home it turned things around for all the other Memphis kids who followed. The dynamics are different in many ways, but similar in many others.

Unless this recruiting class improves a lot, Tubby's done, the only question is when.
12-10-2017 01:54 PM
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