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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
(12-10-2017 02:23 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 01:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 01:42 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
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(12-10-2017 08:21 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  OP, you did this. Just go ahead and merge FBS and FCS. Make the FCS playoffs an invitational, with no penalty for declining. The playoffs would be like the basketball NCAAs, the lesser (or other bowls, for fans of the Rose and Sugar when they're not in the playoff rotation) would be like the NIT, and the FCS playoffs would be like the CBI.

Success at one level doesn't mean success at the next. Why would Montana want to become Wyoming?

Georgia Southern dominated FCS 20 years ago with 6 championships and 2 runnerups in a 16 year period. Do they want a regular dose of 2-10 seasons like this year? I actually think they have a better chance than the Dakota schools. Georgia Southern has a lot of talent nearby and no college competition in the southern half of Georgia.

I'm in this boat. G5 football is a losing proposition. Why go from playing for NCAA championships to struggling to hit.500 and make it to the Gus' Tire Shop Bowl in inland Alabama?

Yeah. Im not convinced the administration at JMU has any real interest in FBS. There are a lot of indications they really dont and just play lip service to the concept to appease fans. Some of the dominate northern FCS schools in Montana and the Dakotas I suspect feel the same way. They know they are located in lightly populated areas with very cold climates. They know the appeal of the FBS football really wont change the attendence numbers much (their attendance potential is already pretty much capped out) and they know a big TV deal wont be part of the move. The reality is a move to FBS isn't really all that attractive to the administrations of these schools. They see it as a quantum leap in costs with no similar quantum leap in potential benefits.

Whether they feel it's beneficial or not, they've outgrown FCS. Time for new challenges. They can always move back down later

These are schools--not sports franchises. There is a cost/benefit analysis that has to make sense to administrators--who, as a whole, are generally a very risk averse bunch. Right now they have full stadiums and compete for championships. You're going to have to make a better case for moving up than "we have nothing more to prove here".
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12-10-2017 03:27 PM
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
James Madison at least has regional rivals in the conferences that may add them. I can see your point with NDSU, as all of their regional rivals are at their level.

That said, why not try something else, they have to be bored dominating FCS.
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12-10-2017 03:48 PM
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
(12-10-2017 03:48 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Jame Madison at least has regional rivals in the conferences that may add them. I can see your point with NDSU, as all of their regional rivals are at their level.

That said, why not try something else, they have to be bored dominating FCS.

Who gets tired of winning? As you said, their regional rivals are at their level. Most likely, they and their regional rivals all discuss the possibility of FBS and the injustice of the fact that they're not FBS for the next decade or two, until some major change in the landscape changes something major.

(What change? I dunno. P5 split? Across the board collapse of college athletics revenues? Football's popularity cratering as the CTE epidemic becomes more known, and more athletic dads coach their talented sons into baseball and hockey and lacrosse? Huge legislation declaring requiring a college degree for jobs to be racial discrimination and replacing it with standardized testing? EMP strike by North Korea? Yellowstone supervolcano? I don't know.)
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
Yes, bored with winning. If I dominated something, I'd want to step up to a challenge.
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
To a new challenge that is.
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NDSU might be able to sign a deal with ESPN to televised their games. They do get P5 schools signed them to play ball with them. Even their fans do travel to away games. NDSU will be okay at the FBS levels. The other Dakotas might not yet until they start to dominate against FBS schools. MWC could move Utah State and Boise State to the west and add Montana and NDSU. Montana might go for that because of Wyoming and other strong academic schools in the conference.
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
I have been a proponent for allowing teams to move up as Independent for a long time. Teams that I could see interested

FCS teams of the top of my head. (Again MAY be interested, do they have the money is another question)
Delaware
Stony Brook
JMU
Kennesaw St
NDSU
Montana
Montana St
Yountstown St
UT-Chat
Northern Kentucky
Missouri St
12-10-2017 04:59 PM
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"Alabama football at this point is a boring product with Nick Saban at the helm, there's never any mystery as to whether they'll be good or not. They have nothing left to prove with him as coach. The AD at Alabama should fire Nick Saban to demonstrate that the school is up to the challenge of rebuilding under a different coach. They should do this because it will be hard and they might fail, which would be interesting."
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(12-10-2017 04:54 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  NDSU might be able to sign a deal with ESPN to televised their games. They do get P5 schools signed them to play ball with them. Even their fans do travel to away games. NDSU will be okay at the FBS levels. The other Dakotas might not yet until they start to dominate against FBS schools. MWC could move Utah State and Boise State to the west and add Montana and NDSU. Montana might go for that because of Wyoming and other strong academic schools in the conference.

Montana wouldn't move without Montana State unless they dropped from FBS or vice versa.
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(12-10-2017 01:10 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(12-09-2017 03:06 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Rice could be another Duke, Northwestern or Stanford but they have to care first.
"Care" is an odd abbreviation for "more than double their enrollment". Duke, Northwestern and Stanford are between 15,000 and 22,000 students, while Rice is less than 7,000.

At Rice's size, if it wanted to get serious about a higher profile sport than baseball, it ought to target basketball.

(12-10-2017 03:34 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  They have nothing left to prove.

So I take it you want the American to take these two schools. So Houston will have NDSU as part of their regular divisional schedule.
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