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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
(02-13-2018 07:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm sorry, but for me, I'm a bit underwhelmed by the value proposition here.... 340 million dollars in mandatory student subsidies over 10 years....and 1 FCS national championship, 1 appearance in the FCS championship game, 1 play-in game as a 16 seed, and an upset of the number 3 team in women's lacrosse....

I think that the people that the JMU community should be mad at isn't me, its your AD, your BOT, and your chancellor.

The frustrating thing should be that the resources are obviously there, but they appear to be really out of whack. Again, its not like JMU doesn't have the fan support and the financing to do more than they do. Its that they appear to waste money like crazy. You spend more on athletics than USF. Your Athletic Department has a vastly higher deficit too.

For that money, you could join FBS and hire a top G5 coach at the same time.

2 fcs football titles (not 1), 3 appearances in title game
2 espn gameday
2 top 10 finishes last two seasons in softball
National player of the year in softball (Megan good)
5 NCAA tourney bids in last 8 years in women’s basketball
At least a dozen straight years with 24+ wins in women’s basketball (lost count)
National championship in field hockey

Do you just not look anything up before you speak about something you don’t know anything about?
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
(02-13-2018 10:18 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 07:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm sorry, but for me, I'm a bit underwhelmed by the value proposition here.... 340 million dollars in mandatory student subsidies over 10 years....and 1 FCS national championship, 1 appearance in the FCS championship game, 1 play-in game as a 16 seed, and an upset of the number 3 team in women's lacrosse....

I think that the people that the JMU community should be mad at isn't me, its your AD, your BOT, and your chancellor.

The frustrating thing should be that the resources are obviously there, but they appear to be really out of whack. Again, its not like JMU doesn't have the fan support and the financing to do more than they do. Its that they appear to waste money like crazy. You spend more on athletics than USF. Your Athletic Department has a vastly higher deficit too.

For that money, you could join FBS and hire a top G5 coach at the same time.

2 fcs football titles (not 1), 3 appearances in title game
2 espn gameday
2 top 10 finishes last two seasons in softball
National player of the year in softball (Megan good)
5 NCAA tourney bids in last 8 years in women’s basketball
At least a dozen straight years with 24+ wins in women’s basketball (lost count)
National championship in field hockey

Do you just not look anything up before you speak about something you don’t know anything about?

I used the last 10 years as the benchmark. But I went back, again, to recheck for you. Here's what I found

1) There was a mistake in my original financial number. JMU isn't losing 34 million on athletics a year, but rather 38 million a year.
2) JMU did win a FCS championship 14 years ago too. App spends 60 percent of what you guys do and won 3 of them in that time period. They also have much higher athletic department revenues.
3) JMU did win 1 game in the last 10 years in women's basketball in the NCAA tournament.
4) JMU also made the super regionals once in the last 10 years too in softball. Congrats, you're in the rarified air of South Alabama, which did it with a 8 year old program (and went further than JMU in the super regionals too) with an athletic budget half of JMUs.
5) Field hockey did get a National championship 24 years ago.
6) You got gameday because of a homer at ESPN. Congrats. That didn't cost you anything.
7) And you did go to the FCS national championship 2 years in a row and even won it in 2016.
8) And you did make the NCAA men's basketball tournament once in the last 10 years, as a 16th seed play-in.

So, JMU's plan is apparently to spend close to 500 million bucks on athletics in the next 10 years, of which a staggering 380 million will be financed by the students in mandatory student fees. I think that JMU has underperformed and should be doing much more for the money. You're free to disagree with me.

JMU is number 1 in one athletic metric (and its not even close). That category is: Biggest athletic department loss that has to be financed through student loans by its students.

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Look, its a lot easier fix if you have the money, but aren't spending it effectively than to not have the money and have no way of getting it. Seems to me that JMU has a pretty easy fix.
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
(02-13-2018 10:18 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 07:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm sorry, but for me, I'm a bit underwhelmed by the value proposition here.... 340 million dollars in mandatory student subsidies over 10 years....and 1 FCS national championship, 1 appearance in the FCS championship game, 1 play-in game as a 16 seed, and an upset of the number 3 team in women's lacrosse....

I think that the people that the JMU community should be mad at isn't me, its your AD, your BOT, and your chancellor.

The frustrating thing should be that the resources are obviously there, but they appear to be really out of whack. Again, its not like JMU doesn't have the fan support and the financing to do more than they do. Its that they appear to waste money like crazy. You spend more on athletics than USF. Your Athletic Department has a vastly higher deficit too.

For that money, you could join FBS and hire a top G5 coach at the same time.

2 fcs football titles (not 1), 3 appearances in title game
2 espn gameday

If you're going to talk about sports with trivial audiences, it only matters if you can say "National championship" or maybe "Olympic athlete"

Quote:National championship in field hockey

Well there you go.
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
(02-13-2018 10:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 10:18 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 07:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm sorry, but for me, I'm a bit underwhelmed by the value proposition here.... 340 million dollars in mandatory student subsidies over 10 years....and 1 FCS national championship, 1 appearance in the FCS championship game, 1 play-in game as a 16 seed, and an upset of the number 3 team in women's lacrosse....

I think that the people that the JMU community should be mad at isn't me, its your AD, your BOT, and your chancellor.

The frustrating thing should be that the resources are obviously there, but they appear to be really out of whack. Again, its not like JMU doesn't have the fan support and the financing to do more than they do. Its that they appear to waste money like crazy. You spend more on athletics than USF. Your Athletic Department has a vastly higher deficit too.

For that money, you could join FBS and hire a top G5 coach at the same time.

2 fcs football titles (not 1), 3 appearances in title game
2 espn gameday
2 top 10 finishes last two seasons in softball
National player of the year in softball (Megan good)
5 NCAA tourney bids in last 8 years in women’s basketball
At least a dozen straight years with 24+ wins in women’s basketball (lost count)
National championship in field hockey

Do you just not look anything up before you speak about something you don’t know anything about?

I used the last 10 years as the benchmark. But I went back, again, to recheck for you. Here's what I found

1) There was a mistake in my original financial number. JMU isn't losing 34 million on athletics a year, but rather 38 million a year.
2) JMU did win a FCS championship 14 years ago too. App spends 60 percent of what you guys do and won 3 of them in that time period. They also have much higher athletic department revenues.
3) JMU did win 1 game in the last 10 years in women's basketball in the NCAA tournament.
4) JMU also made the super regionals once in the last 10 years too in softball. Congrats, you're in the rarified air of South Alabama, which did it with a 8 year old program (and went further than JMU in the super regionals too) with an athletic budget half of JMUs.
5) Field hockey did get a National championship 24 years ago.
6) You got gameday because of a homer at ESPN. Congrats. That didn't cost you anything.
7) And you did go to the FCS national championship 2 years in a row and even won it in 2016.
8) And you did make the NCAA men's basketball tournament once in the last 10 years, as a 16th seed play-in.

So, JMU's plan is apparently to spend close to 500 million bucks on athletics in the next 10 years, of which a staggering 380 million will be financed by the students in mandatory student fees. I think that JMU has underperformed and should be doing much more for the money. You're free to disagree with me.

JMU is number 1 in one athletic metric (and its not even close). That category is: Biggest athletic department loss that has to be financed through student loans by its students.

----

Look, its a lot easier fix if you have the money, but aren't spending it effectively than to not have the money and have no way of getting it. Seems to me that JMU has a pretty easy fix.

when did you make the super regionals?
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
(02-14-2018 11:34 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 10:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 10:18 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 07:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm sorry, but for me, I'm a bit underwhelmed by the value proposition here.... 340 million dollars in mandatory student subsidies over 10 years....and 1 FCS national championship, 1 appearance in the FCS championship game, 1 play-in game as a 16 seed, and an upset of the number 3 team in women's lacrosse....

I think that the people that the JMU community should be mad at isn't me, its your AD, your BOT, and your chancellor.

The frustrating thing should be that the resources are obviously there, but they appear to be really out of whack. Again, its not like JMU doesn't have the fan support and the financing to do more than they do. Its that they appear to waste money like crazy. You spend more on athletics than USF. Your Athletic Department has a vastly higher deficit too.

For that money, you could join FBS and hire a top G5 coach at the same time.

2 fcs football titles (not 1), 3 appearances in title game
2 espn gameday
2 top 10 finishes last two seasons in softball
National player of the year in softball (Megan good)
5 NCAA tourney bids in last 8 years in women’s basketball
At least a dozen straight years with 24+ wins in women’s basketball (lost count)
National championship in field hockey

Do you just not look anything up before you speak about something you don’t know anything about?

I used the last 10 years as the benchmark. But I went back, again, to recheck for you. Here's what I found

1) There was a mistake in my original financial number. JMU isn't losing 34 million on athletics a year, but rather 38 million a year.
2) JMU did win a FCS championship 14 years ago too. App spends 60 percent of what you guys do and won 3 of them in that time period. They also have much higher athletic department revenues.
3) JMU did win 1 game in the last 10 years in women's basketball in the NCAA tournament.
4) JMU also made the super regionals once in the last 10 years too in softball. Congrats, you're in the rarified air of South Alabama, which did it with a 8 year old program (and went further than JMU in the super regionals too) with an athletic budget half of JMUs.
5) Field hockey did get a National championship 24 years ago.
6) You got gameday because of a homer at ESPN. Congrats. That didn't cost you anything.
7) And you did go to the FCS national championship 2 years in a row and even won it in 2016.
8) And you did make the NCAA men's basketball tournament once in the last 10 years, as a 16th seed play-in.

So, JMU's plan is apparently to spend close to 500 million bucks on athletics in the next 10 years, of which a staggering 380 million will be financed by the students in mandatory student fees. I think that JMU has underperformed and should be doing much more for the money. You're free to disagree with me.

JMU is number 1 in one athletic metric (and its not even close). That category is: Biggest athletic department loss that has to be financed through student loans by its students.

----

Look, its a lot easier fix if you have the money, but aren't spending it effectively than to not have the money and have no way of getting it. Seems to me that JMU has a pretty easy fix.

when did you make the super regionals?

Actually, Wiki is a bit confusing as far as its labelling. USA didn't make the super regionals but the regional finals 3x in the last 10 years. JMU did win once in those regional finals (it hosted) and lost in that super regional. I stand corrected.
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
(02-14-2018 01:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 11:34 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 10:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 10:18 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 07:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm sorry, but for me, I'm a bit underwhelmed by the value proposition here.... 340 million dollars in mandatory student subsidies over 10 years....and 1 FCS national championship, 1 appearance in the FCS championship game, 1 play-in game as a 16 seed, and an upset of the number 3 team in women's lacrosse....

I think that the people that the JMU community should be mad at isn't me, its your AD, your BOT, and your chancellor.

The frustrating thing should be that the resources are obviously there, but they appear to be really out of whack. Again, its not like JMU doesn't have the fan support and the financing to do more than they do. Its that they appear to waste money like crazy. You spend more on athletics than USF. Your Athletic Department has a vastly higher deficit too.

For that money, you could join FBS and hire a top G5 coach at the same time.

2 fcs football titles (not 1), 3 appearances in title game
2 espn gameday
2 top 10 finishes last two seasons in softball
National player of the year in softball (Megan good)
5 NCAA tourney bids in last 8 years in women’s basketball
At least a dozen straight years with 24+ wins in women’s basketball (lost count)
National championship in field hockey

Do you just not look anything up before you speak about something you don’t know anything about?

I used the last 10 years as the benchmark. But I went back, again, to recheck for you. Here's what I found

1) There was a mistake in my original financial number. JMU isn't losing 34 million on athletics a year, but rather 38 million a year.
2) JMU did win a FCS championship 14 years ago too. App spends 60 percent of what you guys do and won 3 of them in that time period. They also have much higher athletic department revenues.
3) JMU did win 1 game in the last 10 years in women's basketball in the NCAA tournament.
4) JMU also made the super regionals once in the last 10 years too in softball. Congrats, you're in the rarified air of South Alabama, which did it with a 8 year old program (and went further than JMU in the super regionals too) with an athletic budget half of JMUs.
5) Field hockey did get a National championship 24 years ago.
6) You got gameday because of a homer at ESPN. Congrats. That didn't cost you anything.
7) And you did go to the FCS national championship 2 years in a row and even won it in 2016.
8) And you did make the NCAA men's basketball tournament once in the last 10 years, as a 16th seed play-in.

So, JMU's plan is apparently to spend close to 500 million bucks on athletics in the next 10 years, of which a staggering 380 million will be financed by the students in mandatory student fees. I think that JMU has underperformed and should be doing much more for the money. You're free to disagree with me.

JMU is number 1 in one athletic metric (and its not even close). That category is: Biggest athletic department loss that has to be financed through student loans by its students.

----

Look, its a lot easier fix if you have the money, but aren't spending it effectively than to not have the money and have no way of getting it. Seems to me that JMU has a pretty easy fix.

when did you make the super regionals?

Actually, Wiki is a bit confusing as far as its labelling. USA didn't make the super regionals but the regional finals 3x in the last 10 years. JMU did win once in those regional finals (it hosted) and lost in that super regional. I stand corrected.

yes. and we had the winning run on 2nd base in the last inning of a 1 run game against LSU to go to the CWS. Sadly, didn't get the hit we needed to win the game. Close, but no cigar.

By the way, yes, it was eons ago, but JMU baseball made the College World Series back in 1983 (the final 8 in Omaha, not just the regional rounds)....played against Texas and Roger Clemens while there.
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(02-14-2018 01:45 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 11:34 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 10:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 10:18 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  2 fcs football titles (not 1), 3 appearances in title game
2 espn gameday
2 top 10 finishes last two seasons in softball
National player of the year in softball (Megan good)
5 NCAA tourney bids in last 8 years in women’s basketball
At least a dozen straight years with 24+ wins in women’s basketball (lost count)
National championship in field hockey

Do you just not look anything up before you speak about something you don’t know anything about?

I used the last 10 years as the benchmark. But I went back, again, to recheck for you. Here's what I found

1) There was a mistake in my original financial number. JMU isn't losing 34 million on athletics a year, but rather 38 million a year.
2) JMU did win a FCS championship 14 years ago too. App spends 60 percent of what you guys do and won 3 of them in that time period. They also have much higher athletic department revenues.
3) JMU did win 1 game in the last 10 years in women's basketball in the NCAA tournament.
4) JMU also made the super regionals once in the last 10 years too in softball. Congrats, you're in the rarified air of South Alabama, which did it with a 8 year old program (and went further than JMU in the super regionals too) with an athletic budget half of JMUs.
5) Field hockey did get a National championship 24 years ago.
6) You got gameday because of a homer at ESPN. Congrats. That didn't cost you anything.
7) And you did go to the FCS national championship 2 years in a row and even won it in 2016.
8) And you did make the NCAA men's basketball tournament once in the last 10 years, as a 16th seed play-in.

So, JMU's plan is apparently to spend close to 500 million bucks on athletics in the next 10 years, of which a staggering 380 million will be financed by the students in mandatory student fees. I think that JMU has underperformed and should be doing much more for the money. You're free to disagree with me.

JMU is number 1 in one athletic metric (and its not even close). That category is: Biggest athletic department loss that has to be financed through student loans by its students.

----

Look, its a lot easier fix if you have the money, but aren't spending it effectively than to not have the money and have no way of getting it. Seems to me that JMU has a pretty easy fix.

when did you make the super regionals?

Actually, Wiki is a bit confusing as far as its labelling. USA didn't make the super regionals but the regional finals 3x in the last 10 years. JMU did win once in those regional finals (it hosted) and lost in that super regional. I stand corrected.

yes. and we had the winning run on 2nd base in the last inning of a 1 run game against LSU to go to the CWS. Sadly, didn't get the hit we needed to win the game. Close, but no cigar.

By the way, yes, it was eons ago, but JMU baseball made the College World Series back in 1983 (the final 8 in Omaha, not just the regional rounds)....played against Texas and Roger Clemens while there.

LOL. South Alabama has been within 1 strike of making the CWS. And within 1 out two other times. 03-banghead
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(02-14-2018 10:45 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 10:18 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 07:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm sorry, but for me, I'm a bit underwhelmed by the value proposition here.... 340 million dollars in mandatory student subsidies over 10 years....and 1 FCS national championship, 1 appearance in the FCS championship game, 1 play-in game as a 16 seed, and an upset of the number 3 team in women's lacrosse....

I think that the people that the JMU community should be mad at isn't me, its your AD, your BOT, and your chancellor.

The frustrating thing should be that the resources are obviously there, but they appear to be really out of whack. Again, its not like JMU doesn't have the fan support and the financing to do more than they do. Its that they appear to waste money like crazy. You spend more on athletics than USF. Your Athletic Department has a vastly higher deficit too.

For that money, you could join FBS and hire a top G5 coach at the same time.

2 fcs football titles (not 1), 3 appearances in title game
2 espn gameday

If you're going to talk about sports with trivial audiences, it only matters if you can say "National championship" or maybe "Olympic athlete"

Quote:National championship in field hockey

Well there you go.

[Image: C3BYoQy.jpg]

You guys talking about Field Hockey?

Well in that case Old Dominion has a nation leading 9 National Titles
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