(12-09-2017 08:52 PM)bluecrew Wrote: People tried to tell them. There were warning signs everywhere. Josh Pastner killed this program. People have just lost interest-that's different than being mad about a losing team. People just don't care anymore.
That's a load of crap. We sold over 12,000 tickets Pastner's last season. Clearly, people cared enough to keep their tickets even though they didn't like the product and actual attendance Pastner's last season and last year was literally triple what it is now. IF we wouldn't have hired a ****** coach, we would have sold at least 12,000 tickets last year.
You are also wrong about the program being killed. The program is the opposite of killed, it is great in every way but one; and has everything going for it. Change and improve one thing and the program becomes great again.
Does This Look Like A Program That Is Killed?
1. Arena - top notch
2. Practice facilities - top notch
3. Recruiting base - top notch
4. Fanbase (ability to fill an 18,000 seat arena) - top notch
5. Admin - top notch
6. Admin commitment to making the program great - top notch
7. Corporate support - top notch
8. Coach - not top notch
There are quite a few program that don't come close to us on the first 7 but are winning 10X more because #7 is top notch.
If Pastner had stayed one more year the Forum employees wouldn't have even bothered showing up.
(12-10-2017 01:33 AM)roachman48 Wrote: Never been a big fan of Geoff's.
But his points made in this article are fair.
It's funny that Geoff, and most of 92.9 ESPN, spend all day bashing and ridiculing the Tiger basketball program, then he writes a column stating nobody is going to the games. People listen man, when day in and day out for the last four years they rake the program over the coals for being bad, what casual listener is going to swing by the Forum and see the team. But this is on Tubby and staff, no doubt. There's no joy in Mudville.
(This post was last modified: 12-10-2017 08:31 AM by tigerlands.)
We have company tickets, and they're having a hard time giving away the tickets. I've taken them the couple times they've been offered to me, but no one else really wants them.
Apathy and discontent are not only affecting local attendance, but also the huge number of fans that watch on tv or internet.
I live out of town, and have not made an effort to watch games like I used to.
I have lost interest in watching a poor product.
Something needs to be done, and done soon.
End of season is going to be too late.
Making a change now, may help with recruiting for next year.
A fresh start now may excite the locals, and entice them to attend games.
I understand money is a huge factor, but
cleaning house may be the best motivation for the program.
I am not saying hiring Penny is the answer, but any fresh, winning coach at this point may be better than what we have now.
We can't let the program suffer anymore.
Tubs should be given chance to resign, and if refuses, needs to be fired.
Thst will generate excitement, and show fans that Bowen and company are serious.
“We see the response,” said Bowen. “We’ve very aware. What bothers me is that if you look at these seats around me (here Bowen waves his arm toward rows of empty lower bowl seats), these seats are all sold. People have bought them, they’re paid for. If you can’t come, give them to a neighbor or a friend.”
Good outcomes seldom result when vendor management (the AD) blames customers (fans) for refusing to accept a poor product or service. Bowen's ire is directed at the wrong target. His focus should be on how to reverse the damage caused by his and others of authority decision to hire Tubby.
“We see the response,” said Bowen. “We’ve very aware. What bothers me is that if you look at these seats around me (here Bowen waves his arm toward rows of empty lower bowl seats), these seats are all sold. People have bought them, they’re paid for. If you can’t come, give them to a neighbor or a friend.”
Good outcomes seldom result when vendor management (the AD) blames customers (fans) for refusing to accept a poor product or service. Bowen's ire is directed at the wrong target. His focus should be on how to reverse the damage caused by his and others of authority decision to hire Tubby.
(12-09-2017 07:09 PM)Unionman76 Wrote: we gave our 2 floor tickets to our neighbor
but they needed 4 (parents and 2 kids)
get 2 free tickets outside the arena
but the seat nazis would not let them sit together
even though no one has purchased the adjacent seats in the last 5 years
Had a similar experience last yearr. Had 4 tickets together in good seats...but my kid and his friend moved accross the isle as a tall guy was in front of them blocking their view. Very few fans there... LOTS of empty seats... and we waited til the second half to move. A$$hat power trippin fedex forum employee made them move back... it was all i could do to not get thrown out. Bad product, and poor treatment of those that come out. And they wonder why people stay away.
I was watching the game Saturday afternoon (I admit I fell asleep through most of the game...boring) and at one point the camera panned from the sideline and I could see the Corp. box that the company I work for has. It was dark. The box next to our, a casino's box, was also dark. It seems they can't give away free tickets.
(12-09-2017 08:52 PM)bluecrew Wrote: People tried to tell them. There were warning signs everywhere. Josh Pastner killed this program. People have just lost interest-that's different than being mad about a losing team. People just don't care anymore.
That's a load of crap. We sold over 12,000 tickets Pastner's last season. Clearly, people cared enough to keep their tickets even though they didn't like the product and actual attendance Pastner's last season and last year was literally triple what it is now. IF we wouldn't have hired a ****** coach, we would have sold at least 12,000 tickets last year.
You are also wrong about the program being killed. The program is the opposite of killed, it is great in every way but one; and has everything going for it. Change and improve one thing and the program becomes great again.
Does This Look Like A Program That Is Killed?
1. Arena - top notch
2. Practice facilities - top notch
3. Recruiting base - top notch
4. Fanbase (ability to fill an 18,000 seat arena) - top notch
5. Admin - top notch
6. Admin commitment to making the program great - top notch
7. Corporate support - top notch
8. Coach - not top notch
There are quite a few program that don't come close to us on the first 7 but are winning 10X more because #7 is top notch.
If Pastner had stayed one more year the Forum employees wouldn't have even bothered showing up.
(12-09-2017 07:09 PM)Unionman76 Wrote: we gave our 2 floor tickets to our neighbor
but they needed 4 (parents and 2 kids)
get 2 free tickets outside the arena
but the seat nazis would not let them sit together
even though no one has purchased the adjacent seats in the last 5 years
Had a similar experience last yearr. Had 4 tickets together in good seats...but my kid and his friend moved accross the isle as a tall guy was in front of them blocking their view. Very few fans there... LOTS of empty seats... and we waited til the second half to move. A$$hat power trippin fedex forum employee made them move back... it was all i could do to not get thrown out. Bad product, and poor treatment of those that come out. And they wonder why people stay away.
So you believe someone that is doing the job they were hired to do is an a$$hat? Interesting.
(12-09-2017 09:01 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: Prime example of how one bad hire can destroy a program and why it is so important we do what we can to keep Norvell as long as possible.
It’s not one bad hire, it’s two. The first one was josh.
I don't think Josh was that bad a hire. Certainly he wasn't ideal, but He did a great job his first yr after Cal left IMO. He was just kept too long with a ridiculous extension. After we found out what he was and with all the transfers out they should have let him go. Then they go and hire the totally wrong guy for way too much money.
Josh Pastner was a bad hire. That isn’t a judgement on Pastner (even with my criticisms of him, he was a great recruiter and originally a great PR guy; he was just a poor coach), it’s a comment on RC Johnson. The search was bad and public. RC Johnson looked inept and desperate. He had a guy hired and Calkins vetoed it (how is that different than what just happened at UTK?) Pastner secretly lobbied for the job and Johnson said “the hell with it.”
It was a bad hire.
And then 2016 was an organized bad hire.
(This post was last modified: 12-10-2017 11:25 AM by Latilleon.)
(12-09-2017 07:09 PM)Unionman76 Wrote: we gave our 2 floor tickets to our neighbor
but they needed 4 (parents and 2 kids)
get 2 free tickets outside the arena
but the seat nazis would not let them sit together
even though no one has purchased the adjacent seats in the last 5 years
Had a similar experience last yearr. Had 4 tickets together in good seats...but my kid and his friend moved accross the isle as a tall guy was in front of them blocking their view. Very few fans there... LOTS of empty seats... and we waited til the second half to move. A$$hat power trippin fedex forum employee made them move back... it was all i could do to not get thrown out. Bad product, and poor treatment of those that come out. And they wonder why people stay away.
So you believe someone that is doing the job they were hired to do is an a$$hat? Interesting.
(12-10-2017 06:55 AM)TG4 Wrote: Trust the process.
What process?
The “process” led the administration to hire an old coach who was washed up who cost a lot of money and whose recent successes would qualify as mediocre at schools that have questionable histories in basketball.
The process made them think that was a wise hire when the coach’s weakest quality was recruiting and his staff was a bunch of sycophants with no history of recruiting in a plum regional recruiting area.
At this point, I’m wondering if we were going to crap this hire, why didn’t we just do the gamble on Penny?
(12-09-2017 07:09 PM)Unionman76 Wrote: we gave our 2 floor tickets to our neighbor
but they needed 4 (parents and 2 kids)
get 2 free tickets outside the arena
but the seat nazis would not let them sit together
even though no one has purchased the adjacent seats in the last 5 years
Had a similar experience last yearr. Had 4 tickets together in good seats...but my kid and his friend moved accross the isle as a tall guy was in front of them blocking their view. Very few fans there... LOTS of empty seats... and we waited til the second half to move. A$$hat power trippin fedex forum employee made them move back... it was all i could do to not get thrown out. Bad product, and poor treatment of those that come out. And they wonder why people stay away.
So you believe someone that is doing the job they were hired to do is an a$$hat? Interesting.
Wow... defending a guy that says “hey, those arent your seats, move it out” in an empty building... interesting.
(12-09-2017 07:09 PM)Unionman76 Wrote: we gave our 2 floor tickets to our neighbor
but they needed 4 (parents and 2 kids)
get 2 free tickets outside the arena
but the seat nazis would not let them sit together
even though no one has purchased the adjacent seats in the last 5 years
Had a similar experience last yearr. Had 4 tickets together in good seats...but my kid and his friend moved accross the isle as a tall guy was in front of them blocking their view. Very few fans there... LOTS of empty seats... and we waited til the second half to move. A$$hat power trippin fedex forum employee made them move back... it was all i could do to not get thrown out. Bad product, and poor treatment of those that come out. And they wonder why people stay away.
So you believe someone that is doing the job they were hired to do is an a$$hat? Interesting.
Why would anyone think the guy isn't an a$$hat?
Probably works as a a$$hat, whoops, i mean usher at the fedex forum. Thats the only reason I can come up with.
“We see the response,” said Bowen. “We’ve very aware. What bothers me is that if you look at these seats around me (here Bowen waves his arm toward rows of empty lower bowl seats), these seats are all sold. People have bought them, they’re paid for. If you can’t come, give them to a neighbor or a friend.”
Good outcomes seldom result when vendor management (the AD) blames customers (fans) for refusing to accept a poor product or service. Bowen's ire is directed at the wrong target. His focus should be on how to reverse the damage caused by his and others of authority decision to hire Tubby.
Some people struggle admitting mistakes.
Allowing conceit to hinder needed corrections only compounds the effect of mistakes. He has lots of company. Everyone on Earth errs.
It's amazing, it really is. Me and people just like me spent YEARS begging for a change and saying this was going to happen, only to get shouted down by people on here. Now these threads consist of about the same five people talking to themselves, wondering what happened. You want someone to blame, blame the idiots on here bashing the "fair-weather" fans. They were the ones who made it possible for Josh to finish off the program.
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Geoff - no fans in the stands
