No stupid expansion.

Period.

Unsure why we need to expand. We are already a solid 6th best conference.

Add SDSU and BYU or Boise, then it'll cement AAC as the true power conference equally as Big 12 or Pac12 IMO and would bode well for a 8 CFP

(12-09-2017 09:26 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Time for the American to be proactive. Add Air Force, Army BYU & Boise as football only schools.

That’s a power conference right there. Great for TV Audience. Huge rivals. Make the Cotton Bowl our champion tie in. The liberty bowl for our 2nd best team.

Our conference from top to bottom would be as good as the Big 12 and Pac 12.

NO WAY last thing we need is a bunch of part time members. Bad enough we have Navy for Football and Wichita St for Basketball We do not need to expand on single sport teams. Especially teams located in the west.

If we are to expand then look for full time members and attempt top get our current part time teams to join full time. May not be any "name" schools out there right now. But there are some up and coming programs that if they continue to improve may be worthy of membership in near future.

If we want to be a P6 conference then we need to act like a P6 conference. None of the current P5 conference have any part time members in the major sports. That is what killed off the Big East and lost it's P6 status..

There is not a team available that adds to our TV contract, and that is what expansion is. Money.

Army, Air Force, BYU, SD St, Boise are all great programs, but without more $, no point.

(12-09-2017 11:44 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 10:24 AM)fathergoose714 Wrote:  Why in the world of expansion would we want to move to the west? Is it just that those are the only obtainable schools? None closer to the river? Thats a lot of traveling.

Any of the available schools east of the Mississippi would make us look like conference USA again.

If we did not already have the Dallas market there is a team in that area which would make a good expansion consideration N Texas.

As afar as looking like the CUSA. They may not have the TV market but our old brethren UAB and USM have improved their football programs. If they can continue to maintain may be another question. If not for having three teams in a single state Florida Atlantic would be attractive.

Troy would be attractive if they had a TV market behind them.

Of course too many people look at name first and not the program.

I just want full time members if we did expand.

(12-09-2017 08:31 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  There is not a team available that adds to our TV contract, and that is what expansion is. Money.

Army, Air Force, BYU, SD St, Boise are all great programs, but without more $, no point.

And you say this because ESPN already pays/owns those schools? Correct?

(12-09-2017 08:48 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 11:44 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 10:24 AM)fathergoose714 Wrote:  Why in the world of expansion would we want to move to the west? Is it just that those are the only obtainable schools? None closer to the river? Thats a lot of traveling.

Any of the available schools east of the Mississippi would make us look like conference USA again.

If we did not already have the Dallas market there is a team in that area which would make a good expansion consideration N Texas.

As afar as looking like the CUSA. They may not have the TV market but our old brethren UAB and USM have improved their football programs. If they can continue to maintain may be another question. If not for having three teams in a single state Florida Atlantic would be attractive.

Troy would be attractive if they had a TV market behind them.

Of course too many people look at name first and not the program.

I just want full time members if we did expand.

Sad but true. At this point we can not afford to look to anyone without a national brand name. That's what ESPN will respond positively to. That's why it's Boise, Air Force, Army, and BYU that everyone always talks about.

These people talking about SDSU, I have no idea why they think that's a good idea. They are further away than anybody but Hawai'i. Well, except for the Oregonians and Washingtonians. Adding a Pacific Time Zone team is not well-thought-out.

I do not think distance should be a major limitation for football only expansion. The NFL manages to hold games outside the USA and teams can use those newfangled flying machines to travel long distances in a short time.

(12-09-2017 11:12 AM)truest blue tiger Wrote:  I wouldn't do anything until the Big 12 imploded, rumor has circulated that Tx and Ok would be leaving, that would leave some nice schools to add. Just my opinion.

Still, we could already be talking to the other schools. Maybe make a new conference and dump Tx/Ok.


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(12-09-2017 09:21 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 08:48 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 11:44 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 10:24 AM)fathergoose714 Wrote:  Why in the world of expansion would we want to move to the west? Is it just that those are the only obtainable schools? None closer to the river? Thats a lot of traveling.

Any of the available schools east of the Mississippi would make us look like conference USA again.

If we did not already have the Dallas market there is a team in that area which would make a good expansion consideration N Texas.

As afar as looking like the CUSA. They may not have the TV market but our old brethren UAB and USM have improved their football programs. If they can continue to maintain may be another question. If not for having three teams in a single state Florida Atlantic would be attractive.

Troy would be attractive if they had a TV market behind them.

Of course too many people look at name first and not the program.

I just want full time members if we did expand.

Sad but true. At this point we can not afford to look to anyone without a national brand name. That's what ESPN will respond positively to. That's why it's Boise, Air Force, Army, and BYU that everyone always talks about.

These people talking about SDSU, I have no idea why they think that's a good idea. They are further away than anybody but Hawai'i. Well, except for the Oregonians and Washingtonians. Adding a Pacific Time Zone team is not well-thought-out.

SDSU has a strong football & basketball program and a decent fanbase. The prime objective is achieving P6 status & they help with another strong program and fan base. Of course that helps with the conference TV contract & their strong basketball programs helps as well. SDSU also gives access to California for recruiting. A flight that takes a couple of extra hours for a team every year or two is a small cost for achieving POW6R status. Of course, Boise St has a strong football program and their basketball is pretty good now, too. Honestly, I think that those two adds should be sufficient to make us POW6R and THAT is OBJECTIVE #1. TV Contracts, ticket sales, increased respect & prestige will follow and more than make up for having 2 additional mouths to feed.

(12-09-2017 09:26 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Time for the American to be proactive. Add Air Force, Army BYU & Boise as football only schools.

That’s a power conference right there. Great for TV Audience. Huge rivals. Make the Cotton Bowl our champion tie in. The liberty bowl for our 2nd best team.

Our conference from top to bottom would be as good as the Big 12 and Pac 12.

I don't disagree with the idea of expansion, but there's no way in hell that the AAC will ever get the bowl tie in to those two games. I guess there would be an minor, minor chance at the Liberty, but that would probably only come if the SEC pulled out from their tie-in.

(12-10-2017 08:27 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:26 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Time for the American to be proactive. Add Air Force, Army BYU & Boise as football only schools.

That’s a power conference right there. Great for TV Audience. Huge rivals. Make the Cotton Bowl our champion tie in. The liberty bowl for our 2nd best team.

Our conference from top to bottom would be as good as the Big 12 and Pac 12.

I don't disagree with the idea of expansion, but there's no way in hell that the AAC will ever get the bowl tie in to those two games. I guess there would be an minor, minor chance at the Liberty, but that would probably only come if the SEC pulled out from their tie-in.

This would be more productive. Getting into better bowls, would generate more income for the conference.
Adding these western schools will increase travel expenses, increased time out of classes.

(12-10-2017 08:33 AM)dfwtxtiger Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 08:27 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:26 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Time for the American to be proactive. Add Air Force, Army BYU & Boise as football only schools.

That’s a power conference right there. Great for TV Audience. Huge rivals. Make the Cotton Bowl our champion tie in. The liberty bowl for our 2nd best team.

Our conference from top to bottom would be as good as the Big 12 and Pac 12.

I don't disagree with the idea of expansion, but there's no way in hell that the AAC will ever get the bowl tie in to those two games. I guess there would be an minor, minor chance at the Liberty, but that would probably only come if the SEC pulled out from their tie-in.

This would be more productive. Getting into better bowls, would generate more income for the conference.
Adding these western schools will increase travel expenses, increased time out of classes.

Very short sighted...EVERYTHING changes if you achieve P6 status and football is what drives that status. Virtually ANYTHING is worth achieving that objective.
POW6R status would increase income from the CFP system.
POW6R status would increase income from TV contracts.
POW6R status would increase income from ticket sales.
POW6R status would increase income from bowl tie-ins.
POW6R status would increase the ability to recruit high-quality athletes and schedule high-quality OOC opponents.

Nothing increases time out of classes like Thursday night football games. If we are willing to do that for a few bucks, we'd certainly be wiling to fly a couple of more hours to a few games per year.

DO IT NOW!

(12-10-2017 09:51 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 08:33 AM)dfwtxtiger Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 08:27 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:26 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Time for the American to be proactive. Add Air Force, Army BYU & Boise as football only schools.

That’s a power conference right there. Great for TV Audience. Huge rivals. Make the Cotton Bowl our champion tie in. The liberty bowl for our 2nd best team.

Our conference from top to bottom would be as good as the Big 12 and Pac 12.

I don't disagree with the idea of expansion, but there's no way in hell that the AAC will ever get the bowl tie in to those two games. I guess there would be an minor, minor chance at the Liberty, but that would probably only come if the SEC pulled out from their tie-in.

This would be more productive. Getting into better bowls, would generate more income for the conference.
Adding these western schools will increase travel expenses, increased time out of classes.

Very short sighted...EVERYTHING changes if you achieve P6 status and football is what drives that status. Virtually ANYTHING is worth achieving that objective.
POW6R status would increase income from the CFP system.
POW6R status would increase income from TV contracts.
POW6R status would increase income from ticket sales.
POW6R status would increase income from bowl tie-ins.
POW6R status would increase the ability to recruit high-quality athletes and schedule high-quality OOC opponents.

Nothing increases time out of classes like Thursday night football games. If we are willing to do that for a few bucks, we'd certainly be wiling to fly a couple of more hours to a few games per year.

DO IT NOW!

My guess is that the scheduling of games is up to the Conference to negotiate with ESPN/ABC and CBS. It would seem that, when a school becomes a member of the AAC, they relinquish the scheduling of Conference games to the Conference so that, when the AAC is in negotiations for when the TV games will be played, the AAC has schedule week day flexibility when in negotiation of those broadcast contracts. We currently have our non conference games scheduled through 2023, so it would appear the weeks that are open are already scheduled for conference games. The only question is the day those conference games will be played and that is apparenlty in the hands of the AAC TV contract negotiators. Do I have this right?

(12-10-2017 10:15 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 09:51 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 08:33 AM)dfwtxtiger Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 08:27 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:26 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Time for the American to be proactive. Add Air Force, Army BYU & Boise as football only schools.

That’s a power conference right there. Great for TV Audience. Huge rivals. Make the Cotton Bowl our champion tie in. The liberty bowl for our 2nd best team.

Our conference from top to bottom would be as good as the Big 12 and Pac 12.

I don't disagree with the idea of expansion, but there's no way in hell that the AAC will ever get the bowl tie in to those two games. I guess there would be an minor, minor chance at the Liberty, but that would probably only come if the SEC pulled out from their tie-in.

This would be more productive. Getting into better bowls, would generate more income for the conference.
Adding these western schools will increase travel expenses, increased time out of classes.

Very short sighted...EVERYTHING changes if you achieve P6 status and football is what drives that status. Virtually ANYTHING is worth achieving that objective.
POW6R status would increase income from the CFP system.
POW6R status would increase income from TV contracts.
POW6R status would increase income from ticket sales.
POW6R status would increase income from bowl tie-ins.
POW6R status would increase the ability to recruit high-quality athletes and schedule high-quality OOC opponents.

Nothing increases time out of classes like Thursday night football games. If we are willing to do that for a few bucks, we'd certainly be wiling to fly a couple of more hours to a few games per year.

DO IT NOW!

My guess is that the scheduling of games is up to the Conference to negotiate with ESPN/ABC and CBS. It would seem that, when a school becomes a member of the AAC, they relinquish the scheduling of Conference games to the Conference so that, when the AAC is in negotiations for when the TV games will be played, the AAC has schedule week day flexibility when in negotiation of those broadcast contracts. We currently have our non conference games scheduled through 2023, so it would appear the weeks that are open are already scheduled for conference games. The only question is the day those conference games will be played and that is apparenlty in the hands of the AAC TV contract negotiators. Do I have this right?

Yes, I believe so. TV can get better ratings on weeknights (and we get more visibility) since there is less competition from other college games. I do question how much beneficial those weeknight games are is they are on "lesser channels" such as ESPNU, ESPNews, and CBSSports. I would like to see the AAC limit those (maybe no more than one per team), as they hurt the gameday experience for attending fans & have limited financial & exposure benefit.

If it hasn't been mentioned, adding the right two schools from the MWC would provide additional separation from the MWC & the G4 in general. That alone helps the P6 push.