(12-09-2017 12:47 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:36 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:31 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:01 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  His system is a roster of four year guys built up year by year with upper classmen getting most of the playing time, gradually decreasing to the freshmen. Parrish could write an article on how he thinks that is not working, and make some good points in so doing, but instead he writes this garbage. Lazy click bait that offers no insight.

So how does signing FIVE two-year players contribute to that process?

Current players on the roster in 2019-20:
Azab (Sr.)
Nickeberry (Jr.)
Enoh (Jr.)
Johnson (Jr.)
Vanover (Soph)
Player to be named later #1 (Soph)
Player to be named later #2 (Soph)

So basically you'll be putting three guys on the floor with two year's experience (Enoh, JJ, Nickel) and some sophs who will get scraps for playing time (since 10 players will be back from this team).

Then essentially half the team will be added and expected to contribute in some fashion. That is year four. So year four is a hard reset and essentially the "first" year of Tubby's "plan."

So does the administration re-up the contract or just let it ride out after year five? That's another issue all unto itself.

And, of course, that is under the premise no one leaves in that group above.

The five 2 year guys were a stop gap because he wasted year one of his own guys and the existing upper classmen they are stop gapping for left the program. Solid points that can be made that Tubby's way isnt working so far. My argument is Parish lazied his way through this 'article', used the word 'lie' to stir people up, and got himself some easy clicks. Pitiful.

Bottom line is if the staff could recruit for crap or gauge talent, they could have gotten some better players in 2017 to add to their three frosh if he was truly doing it the "Tubby way."

I would have had a lot less of an issue if he had gotten six frosh this year and maybe a traditional sit out transfer under the idea that the "plan" starts now.

Again, this is not to mention the piss poor job of bringing anyone in 2016 and letting talent leave the program.

You would write a better article than Parish.

Nobody has patience for a five rebuild anyway, so I'll eat my hat if Tubby stays that long. I hope we don't go back to the talent parade/on court and off season drama that we had under Pastner. Somebody that can recruit better and build a real program may be out there is my hope.

I am ok with drama accompanied by winning sufficiently. We had plenty of drama during our relevant run under Calipari, but few cared.

(12-09-2017 10:00 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  Parrish stirring the pot. They knew how Tubby did things before they hired him. Whether he will or not is worth talking about, but to criticize because he isn't doing it the way we knew he wouldn't is just stirring the pot.

This isn't true at all. At Minnesota, Tubby recruited many top 100 recruits. A handful of posters are telling us that Minnesota is a crap job compared to Memphis so you would think that it would be as easy as pie to recruit at Memphis.

But don't take my word for it. Tyler Harris would have committed months ago if Tubby wouldn't have completely ignored him. Tyler Harris or Lomax and a couple of top 100 recruits would have allowed Tubby to reach the summit again...an NCAA tournament appearance with a win every 10 years.

In any event, this f*****g disaster will be over by March.

(12-09-2017 12:47 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:36 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:31 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:01 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  His system is a roster of four year guys built up year by year with upper classmen getting most of the playing time, gradually decreasing to the freshmen. Parrish could write an article on how he thinks that is not working, and make some good points in so doing, but instead he writes this garbage. Lazy click bait that offers no insight.

So how does signing FIVE two-year players contribute to that process?

Current players on the roster in 2019-20:
Azab (Sr.)
Nickeberry (Jr.)
Enoh (Jr.)
Johnson (Jr.)
Vanover (Soph)
Player to be named later #1 (Soph)
Player to be named later #2 (Soph)

So basically you'll be putting three guys on the floor with two year's experience (Enoh, JJ, Nickel) and some sophs who will get scraps for playing time (since 10 players will be back from this team).

Then essentially half the team will be added and expected to contribute in some fashion. That is year four. So year four is a hard reset and essentially the "first" year of Tubby's "plan."

So does the administration re-up the contract or just let it ride out after year five? That's another issue all unto itself.

And, of course, that is under the premise no one leaves in that group above.

The five 2 year guys were a stop gap because he wasted year one of his own guys and the existing upper classmen they are stop gapping for left the program. Solid points that can be made that Tubby's way isnt working so far. My argument is Parish lazied his way through this 'article', used the word 'lie' to stir people up, and got himself some easy clicks. Pitiful.

Bottom line is if the staff could recruit for crap or gauge talent, they could have gotten some better players in 2017 to add to their three frosh if he was truly doing it the "Tubby way."

I would have had a lot less of an issue if he had gotten six frosh this year and maybe a traditional sit out transfer under the idea that the "plan" starts now.

Again, this is not to mention the piss poor job of bringing anyone in 2016 and letting talent leave the program.

You would write a better article than Parish.

Nobody has patience for a five rebuild anyway, so I'll eat my hat if Tubby stays that long. I hope we don't go back to the talent parade/on court and off season drama that we had under Pastner. Somebody that can recruit better and build a real program may be out there is my hope.

I would KILL for being at that level again. Let's talk again in a couple of hours.

(12-09-2017 12:17 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 10:00 AM)TG4 Wrote:  Bring Laird home now!!!

Whatever it takes.

I'll keep Tubby.

We blew out a guy named Bryant today tho


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He needs to sign a point guard and a big in the late period, keep transfers to a minimum, and win some games next year. If he does that, the recruiting for 2019 will get easier. If he doesn't, he probably won't have to worry about it.

(12-09-2017 04:18 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  He needs to sign a point guard and a big in the late period, keep transfers to a minimum, and win some games next year. If he does that, the recruiting for 2019 will get easier. If he doesn't, he probably won't have to worry about it.

I don't think he makes it that far. This is probably how it plays out...

15-16 season
Possibly only one commitment in late February
Rumblings of Jeremiah Martin grad transfer
Tubby standing firm on assistant manager staff

Fired two weeks before Conference tournament

I never thought I would see Memphis basketball become what it has become.

I don't blame Tubby for last year's collapse. That was 100% the Lawson's putting personal gain over the team. And the mess that followed, I'm thinking the Lawsons poisoned the well so badly Tubby could only do so much to keep players, although I do blame him for losing so many.

But there's two areas you can't forgive: recruiting and promoting the team. This year's team is what it is, and I'd be prepared to cut him some slack if our recruiting class was better. But missing out on essential local kids means the future is also bleak until somebody else can fix it.

The whole thing's a mess.

(12-09-2017 06:52 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  I don't blame Tubby for last year's collapse. That was 100% the Lawson's putting personal gain over the team. And the mess that followed, I'm thinking the Lawsons poisoned the well so badly Tubby could only do so much to keep players, although I do blame him for losing so many.

But there's two areas you can't forgive: recruiting and promoting the team. This year's team is what it is, and I'd be prepared to cut him some slack if our recruiting class was better. But missing out on essential local kids means the future is also bleak until somebody else can fix it.

The whole thing's a mess.

Tubby could do do something tonight to fix recruiting. He knows it -- but he won't.

(12-09-2017 07:33 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 06:52 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  I don't blame Tubby for last year's collapse. That was 100% the Lawson's putting personal gain over the team. And the mess that followed, I'm thinking the Lawsons poisoned the well so badly Tubby could only do so much to keep players, although I do blame him for losing so many.

But there's two areas you can't forgive: recruiting and promoting the team. This year's team is what it is, and I'd be prepared to cut him some slack if our recruiting class was better. But missing out on essential local kids means the future is also bleak until somebody else can fix it.

The whole thing's a mess.

Tubby could do do something tonight to fix recruiting. He knows it -- but he won't.

What? Besides getting actual real assistants.

(12-09-2017 07:41 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 07:33 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 06:52 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  I don't blame Tubby for last year's collapse. That was 100% the Lawson's putting personal gain over the team. And the mess that followed, I'm thinking the Lawsons poisoned the well so badly Tubby could only do so much to keep players, although I do blame him for losing so many.

But there's two areas you can't forgive: recruiting and promoting the team. This year's team is what it is, and I'd be prepared to cut him some slack if our recruiting class was better. But missing out on essential local kids means the future is also bleak until somebody else can fix it.

The whole thing's a mess.

Tubby could do do something tonight to fix recruiting. He knows it -- but he won't.

What? Besides getting actual real assistants.

That's why he won't.

(12-09-2017 10:22 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 10:00 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  Parrish stirring the pot. They knew how Tubby did things before they hired him. Whether he will or not is worth talking about, but to criticize because he isn't doing it the way we knew he wouldn't is just stirring the pot.

Pretty much every single person talking about the Tub hire thought for sure he would be getting higher levels of talent than he was able to get at his previous 2 schools.

He is getting the level of player he got at his previous two school. He was a poor recruiter there also. Sadly his 49th ranked class last year was one of his better classes in the past decade.

2018 117th
2017 49th
2016 98th
2015 74th
2014 74th
2013 99th
2012 75th
2011 45th

(12-09-2017 06:52 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  I don't blame Tubby for last year's collapse. That was 100% the Lawson's putting personal gain over the team. And the mess that followed, I'm thinking the Lawsons poisoned the well so badly Tubby could only do so much to keep players, although I do blame him for losing so many.

But there's two areas you can't forgive: recruiting and promoting the team. This year's team is what it is, and I'd be prepared to cut him some slack if our recruiting class was better. But missing out on essential local kids means the future is also bleak until somebody else can fix it.

The whole thing's a mess.

Who cares if Orlando basically told the kids father to go get frocked. That it did not matter what promise the AD made to Keelon that he was going to run the program as he wanted to and the AD will not tell him who he will or will not have as his assistants.

The guy was demoted after being promised that he will remain on the staff as a floor coach. Just so Orlando could hire his alcoholic son on as an assistant. Something that TTU would not allow and U of Minn wanted fired after being caught driving drunk.

You know the son, the one who got beat out by a Bible School Baptist College for a recruit.

(12-09-2017 06:52 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  I don't blame Tubby for last year's collapse. That was 100% the Lawson's putting personal gain over the team. And the mess that followed, I'm thinking the Lawsons poisoned the well so badly Tubby could only do so much to keep players, although I do blame him for losing so many.

But there's two areas you can't forgive: recruiting and promoting the team. This year's team is what it is, and I'd be prepared to cut him some slack if our recruiting class was better. But missing out on essential local kids means the future is also bleak until somebody else can fix it.

The whole thing's a mess.

Tubby made a catastrophic mistake by denying Keelon the Asst Coach position he held and still wanted and instead promoted his son in Keelon’s place. It set in motion and exacerbated the turmoil last season and its effects ripple to this day.

(12-09-2017 10:32 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 06:52 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  I don't blame Tubby for last year's collapse. That was 100% the Lawson's putting personal gain over the team. And the mess that followed, I'm thinking the Lawsons poisoned the well so badly Tubby could only do so much to keep players, although I do blame him for losing so many.

But there's two areas you can't forgive: recruiting and promoting the team. This year's team is what it is, and I'd be prepared to cut him some slack if our recruiting class was better. But missing out on essential local kids means the future is also bleak until somebody else can fix it.

The whole thing's a mess.

Tubby made a catastrophic mistake by denying Keelon the Asst Coach position he held and still wanted and instead promoted his son in Keelon’s place. It set in motion and exacerbated the turmoil last season and its effects ripple to this day.

We don't agree on that one. I'm glad they're gone.

(12-09-2017 09:06 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Parrish cited the examples of UNLV and TCU, both of which are now top 25 quality teams ----

UNLV pays Marvin Menzies about $700k per year. How's that for value?

(12-10-2017 03:03 AM)mphsfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:06 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Parrish cited the examples of UNLV and TCU, both of which are now top 25 quality teams ----

UNLV pays Marvin Menzies about $700k per year. How's that for value?

Bring Laird Home!

(12-10-2017 06:47 AM)TG4 Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 03:03 AM)mphsfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:06 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Parrish cited the examples of UNLV and TCU, both of which are now top 25 quality teams ----

UNLV pays Marvin Menzies about $700k per year. How's that for value?

Bring Laird Home!

Absolutely

(12-10-2017 06:47 AM)TG4 Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 03:03 AM)mphsfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:06 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Parrish cited the examples of UNLV and TCU, both of which are now top 25 quality teams ----

UNLV pays Marvin Menzies about $700k per year. How's that for value?

Bring Laird Home!

Where is he?