BTW - what is "the process" that Tubby wants us to wait on? What exactly does 'the process' entail?

(12-09-2017 11:24 AM)tigerderek Wrote:  BILLLLY DDDDDD'S RUNNIN TIGERRRRSSSS!!!

Gruden?

(12-09-2017 11:27 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  BTW - what is "the process" that Tubby wants us to wait on? What exactly does 'the process' entail?

Well, part of the process isn't being a delusional moon bat when it comes to talent evaluation:

...When asked Friday about whether this team's results at the moment match his preseason outlook, Smith quickly put to rest any notion that they've performed to his liking.

"I expected to be undefeated, to be honest with you," Smith said. "I expected we would be shooting the ball better, [that] we'd be one of the better passing teams. ... But I'll take it. We've pulled out some games."

Three point shooting % from players last year:

Kyvon: 29.3%
Brewton: 22.0%
Raynere: 23.6%
Jeremiah: 28.2%
Nickelberry: 26%
Rhodes: 32.7%

(12-09-2017 11:27 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 11:24 AM)tigerderek Wrote:  BILLLLY DDDDDD'S RUNNIN TIGERRRRSSSS!!!

Gruden?

John? Ohhhh yeahhhhh

(12-09-2017 09:11 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Although I loath his show (I cannot find a decent sports talk show in Memphis), Parrish is right. Tubby is torpedoing the program, but fortunately the elements are in place for a quick rebuild.

Facilities are in place, willingness to pay $3M a year for a coach is in place.

MIA: Talented players, Good coach, Engaged fans, Boosters / Administration that know how to hire a good coach.

The current roster is a disaster. There aren't but 2 players that would have been on scholarship for any of X's last 5 teams nor Paz's first 4 and they would be way down the bench.

I think we're about like SMU was before Larry Brown took over. He came in and basically dismissed the team and started from scratch. SMU was one of the worst teams I had ever seen play at the high D1 level. We used to just laugh at them.

I think most on here will agree that this is the worst roster since Iba was here. It didn't have to be this way.

(12-09-2017 11:27 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  BTW - what is "the process" that Tubby wants us to wait on? What exactly does 'the process' entail?

Paying he and Saul.

Assists last year:
Martin: 4.4
Brewton: 4.4
Rhodes: 2.8
Johnson: 2.7
Davenport: 1.6
Parks: 0.4
Rivers: 0.9

Thornton: 5.9
Nickelberry: 6.3

(12-09-2017 11:33 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:06 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Parrish cited the examples of UNLV and TCU, both of which are now top 25 quality teams ---- but started in a worse position than Tubby's Memphis only two years ago. He said both programs made the turn around by recruiting a mix of high school and transfers. So he said that Memphis fans have every right to be angry and that they shouldn't believe "the lie" that this takes time. He added that Memphis is now in a worse position than two seasons back. ----- In fact, Parrish had made the observation earlier that 'it is harder to do what Tubby has done to the basketball program than what has been done in Memphis football.'

It's a solid and fair point.

Also worth pointing out that we're 5-2 with a chance to go to 6-2 today, which isn't exactly "dumpster fire" territory yet.

Attendance is in the toilet, and we're barely scraping by to get close wins against real garbage teams, BUT by the numbers our record isn't awful.

It's not solid in the least. Parrish is just stirring on this. Write an article about how Tubby's system isn't working and why and you've made a solid point. Write this crap about how he isn't all of a sudden doing it the way he has never done it and you are just stirring **** up. Parrish gets paid good money and all he produced on this one is something that gets people foaming at the mouth. Joke of an article.

(12-09-2017 09:23 AM)TubbyBall Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:06 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Parrish cited the examples of UNLV and TCU, both of which are now top 25 quality teams ---- but started in a worse position than Tubby's Memphis only two years ago. He said both programs made the turn around by recruiting a mix of high school and transfers. So he said that Memphis fans have every right to be angry and that they shouldn't believe "the lie" that this takes time. He added that Memphis is now in a worse position than two seasons back. ----- In fact, Parrish had made the observation earlier that 'it is harder to do what Tubby has done to the basketball program than what has been done in Memphis football.'

Wow! Gary is a genius. I bet most Memphis fans thought we were in better position now than two years back and we all thought it should take 5 years to rebuild. I hate Gary Parrish. This is the same guy that knows everything. He even predicted more than a week ago that Norvell would be at Memphis. Not because he wanted to be but that he was good but not at the top of the list that anyone wanted. Oh and he name drops all the time and so. Oh yeah and says and so 5 million times

Church?

(12-09-2017 11:27 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  BTW - what is "the process" that Tubby wants us to wait on? What exactly does 'the process' entail?

His system is a roster of four year guys built up year by year with upper classmen getting most of the playing time, gradually decreasing to the freshmen. Parrish could write an article on how he thinks that is not working, and make some good points in so doing, but instead he writes this garbage. Lazy click bait that offers no insight.

(12-09-2017 11:56 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:23 AM)TubbyBall Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:06 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Parrish cited the examples of UNLV and TCU, both of which are now top 25 quality teams ---- but started in a worse position than Tubby's Memphis only two years ago. He said both programs made the turn around by recruiting a mix of high school and transfers. So he said that Memphis fans have every right to be angry and that they shouldn't believe "the lie" that this takes time. He added that Memphis is now in a worse position than two seasons back. ----- In fact, Parrish had made the observation earlier that 'it is harder to do what Tubby has done to the basketball program than what has been done in Memphis football.'

Wow! Gary is a genius. I bet most Memphis fans thought we were in better position now than two years back and we all thought it should take 5 years to rebuild. I hate Gary Parrish. This is the same guy that knows everything. He even predicted more than a week ago that Norvell would be at Memphis. Not because he wanted to be but that he was good but not at the top of the list that anyone wanted. Oh and he name drops all the time and so. Oh yeah and says and so 5 million times

Church?

U go?

(12-09-2017 11:33 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:06 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Parrish cited the examples of UNLV and TCU, both of which are now top 25 quality teams ---- but started in a worse position than Tubby's Memphis only two years ago. He said both programs made the turn around by recruiting a mix of high school and transfers. So he said that Memphis fans have every right to be angry and that they shouldn't believe "the lie" that this takes time. He added that Memphis is now in a worse position than two seasons back. ----- In fact, Parrish had made the observation earlier that 'it is harder to do what Tubby has done to the basketball program than what has been done in Memphis football.'

It's a solid and fair point.

Also worth pointing out that we're 5-2 with a chance to go to 6-2 today, which isn't exactly "dumpster fire" territory yet.

Attendance is in the toilet, and we're barely scraping by to get close wins against real garbage teams, BUT by the numbers our record isn't awful.

You are treading dangerous ground here.

While I believe Tubby needs to show more enthusiasm and if he does not this will end badly...

You are supposed to be sky is falling negative and how dare you not bash Josh Pastner again for being terrible, the new definition of terrible being really good but short of elite with a few tough season's a team the end.

What is wrong with you.

Heading out...to the forum to watch the Tigers.

(12-09-2017 12:01 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 11:27 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  BTW - what is "the process" that Tubby wants us to wait on? What exactly does 'the process' entail?

His system is a roster of four year guys built up year by year with upper classmen getting most of the playing time, gradually decreasing to the freshmen. Parrish could write an article on how he thinks that is not working, and make some good points in so doing, but instead he writes this garbage. Lazy click bait that offers no insight.

So how does signing FIVE two-year players contribute to that process?

Current players on the roster in 2019-20:
Azab (Sr.)
Nickeberry (Jr.)
Enoh (Jr.)
Johnson (Jr.)
Vanover (Soph)
Player to be named later #1 (Soph)
Player to be named later #2 (Soph)

So basically you'll be putting three guys on the floor with two year's experience (Enoh, JJ, Nickel) and some sophs who will get scraps for playing time (since 10 players will be back from this team).

Then essentially half the team will be added and expected to contribute in some fashion. That is year four. So year four is a hard reset and essentially the "first" year of Tubby's "plan."

So does the administration re-up the contract or just let it ride out after year five? That's another issue all unto itself.

And, of course, that is under the premise no one leaves in that group above.

We need a guy that can run a back door cut!

(12-09-2017 10:00 AM)TG4 Wrote:  Bring Laird home now!!!

Whatever it takes.

GP spot on. What we are watching is unacceptable, but correctable. Make the right hire.

(12-09-2017 12:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:01 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 11:27 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  BTW - what is "the process" that Tubby wants us to wait on? What exactly does 'the process' entail?

His system is a roster of four year guys built up year by year with upper classmen getting most of the playing time, gradually decreasing to the freshmen. Parrish could write an article on how he thinks that is not working, and make some good points in so doing, but instead he writes this garbage. Lazy click bait that offers no insight.

So how does signing FIVE two-year players contribute to that process?

Current players on the roster in 2019-20:
Azab (Sr.)
Nickeberry (Jr.)
Enoh (Jr.)
Johnson (Jr.)
Vanover (Soph)
Player to be named later #1 (Soph)
Player to be named later #2 (Soph)

So basically you'll be putting three guys on the floor with two year's experience (Enoh, JJ, Nickel) and some sophs who will get scraps for playing time (since 10 players will be back from this team).

Then essentially half the team will be added and expected to contribute in some fashion. That is year four. So year four is a hard reset and essentially the "first" year of Tubby's "plan."

So does the administration re-up the contract or just let it ride out after year five? That's another issue all unto itself.

And, of course, that is under the premise no one leaves in that group above.

The five 2 year guys were a stop gap because he wasted year one of his own guys and the existing upper classmen they are stop gapping for left the program. Solid points that can be made that Tubby's way isnt working so far. My argument is Parish lazied his way through this 'article', used the word 'lie' to stir people up, and got himself some easy clicks. Pitiful.

(12-09-2017 12:31 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:01 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 11:27 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  BTW - what is "the process" that Tubby wants us to wait on? What exactly does 'the process' entail?

His system is a roster of four year guys built up year by year with upper classmen getting most of the playing time, gradually decreasing to the freshmen. Parrish could write an article on how he thinks that is not working, and make some good points in so doing, but instead he writes this garbage. Lazy click bait that offers no insight.

So how does signing FIVE two-year players contribute to that process?

Current players on the roster in 2019-20:
Azab (Sr.)
Nickeberry (Jr.)
Enoh (Jr.)
Johnson (Jr.)
Vanover (Soph)
Player to be named later #1 (Soph)
Player to be named later #2 (Soph)

So basically you'll be putting three guys on the floor with two year's experience (Enoh, JJ, Nickel) and some sophs who will get scraps for playing time (since 10 players will be back from this team).

Then essentially half the team will be added and expected to contribute in some fashion. That is year four. So year four is a hard reset and essentially the "first" year of Tubby's "plan."

So does the administration re-up the contract or just let it ride out after year five? That's another issue all unto itself.

And, of course, that is under the premise no one leaves in that group above.

The five 2 year guys were a stop gap because he wasted year one of his own guys and the existing upper classmen they are stop gapping for left the program. Solid points that can be made that Tubby's way isnt working so far. My argument is Parish lazied his way through this 'article', used the word 'lie' to stir people up, and got himself some easy clicks. Pitiful.

Bottom line is if the staff could recruit for crap or gauge talent, they could have gotten some better players in 2017 to add to their three frosh if he was truly doing it the "Tubby way."

I would have had a lot less of an issue if he had gotten six frosh this year and maybe a traditional sit out transfer under the idea that the "plan" starts now.

Again, this is not to mention the piss poor job of bringing anyone in 2016 and letting talent leave the program.

(12-09-2017 12:31 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:01 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 11:27 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  BTW - what is "the process" that Tubby wants us to wait on? What exactly does 'the process' entail?

His system is a roster of four year guys built up year by year with upper classmen getting most of the playing time, gradually decreasing to the freshmen. Parrish could write an article on how he thinks that is not working, and make some good points in so doing, but instead he writes this garbage. Lazy click bait that offers no insight.

So how does signing FIVE two-year players contribute to that process?

Current players on the roster in 2019-20:
Azab (Sr.)
Nickeberry (Jr.)
Enoh (Jr.)
Johnson (Jr.)
Vanover (Soph)
Player to be named later #1 (Soph)
Player to be named later #2 (Soph)

So basically you'll be putting three guys on the floor with two year's experience (Enoh, JJ, Nickel) and some sophs who will get scraps for playing time (since 10 players will be back from this team).

Then essentially half the team will be added and expected to contribute in some fashion. That is year four. So year four is a hard reset and essentially the "first" year of Tubby's "plan."

So does the administration re-up the contract or just let it ride out after year five? That's another issue all unto itself.

And, of course, that is under the premise no one leaves in that group above.

The five 2 year guys were a stop gap because he wasted year one of his own guys and the existing upper classmen they are stop gapping for left the program. Solid points that can be made that Tubby's way isnt working so far. My argument is Parish lazied his way through this 'article', used the word 'lie' to stir people up, and got himself some easy clicks. Pitiful.

I agree which is one reason I seldom read or listen to him even when his point - stripped of incendiary devices - is valid.

(12-09-2017 12:36 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:31 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:01 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 11:27 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  BTW - what is "the process" that Tubby wants us to wait on? What exactly does 'the process' entail?

His system is a roster of four year guys built up year by year with upper classmen getting most of the playing time, gradually decreasing to the freshmen. Parrish could write an article on how he thinks that is not working, and make some good points in so doing, but instead he writes this garbage. Lazy click bait that offers no insight.

So how does signing FIVE two-year players contribute to that process?

Current players on the roster in 2019-20:
Azab (Sr.)
Nickeberry (Jr.)
Enoh (Jr.)
Johnson (Jr.)
Vanover (Soph)
Player to be named later #1 (Soph)
Player to be named later #2 (Soph)

So basically you'll be putting three guys on the floor with two year's experience (Enoh, JJ, Nickel) and some sophs who will get scraps for playing time (since 10 players will be back from this team).

Then essentially half the team will be added and expected to contribute in some fashion. That is year four. So year four is a hard reset and essentially the "first" year of Tubby's "plan."

So does the administration re-up the contract or just let it ride out after year five? That's another issue all unto itself.

And, of course, that is under the premise no one leaves in that group above.

The five 2 year guys were a stop gap because he wasted year one of his own guys and the existing upper classmen they are stop gapping for left the program. Solid points that can be made that Tubby's way isnt working so far. My argument is Parish lazied his way through this 'article', used the word 'lie' to stir people up, and got himself some easy clicks. Pitiful.

Bottom line is if the staff could recruit for crap or gauge talent, they could have gotten some better players in 2017 to add to their three frosh if he was truly doing it the "Tubby way."

I would have had a lot less of an issue if he had gotten six frosh this year and maybe a traditional sit out transfer under the idea that the "plan" starts now.

Again, this is not to mention the piss poor job of bringing anyone in 2016 and letting talent leave the program.

You would write a better article than Parish.

Nobody has patience for a five rebuild anyway, so I'll eat my hat if Tubby stays that long. I hope we don't go back to the talent parade/on court and off season drama that we had under Pastner. Somebody that can recruit better and build a real program may be out there is my hope.