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Timeout before 2 Point Converions
Others in my party were disagreeing about the timeout before the2 point conversion. I think it was the right call. Discuss.
12-08-2017 11:54 PM
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Considering the result, I guess so. But still kind of an inopportune time for a TO and not the best clock management.
12-08-2017 11:56 PM
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RE: Timeout before 2 Point Converions
It was the right call. Far more important to get the 2-point play you really want, rather than hoping to get the ball back with less than a minute left, deep in your own territory, after a failed on-side kick. (The second timeout wouldn't have mattered as much if we missed the 2-pointer but recovered the on-side kick.)

I think it's a different discussion if JMU had all three time-outs.
12-09-2017 12:00 AM
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I laughed out loud when I saw this thread. Let it go my friend, we won. See you in Harrisonburg next weekend!
12-09-2017 12:18 AM
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RE: Timeout before 2 Point Converions
(12-08-2017 11:56 PM)Yesolitis Wrote:  Considering the result, I guess so. But still kind of an inopportune time for a TO and not the best clock management.

With the season on the line, I think calling a timeout and setting up your best opportunity to convert the two point try was the right call.
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12-09-2017 12:20 AM
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RE: Timeout before 2 Point Converions
Not the right call. If you don’t have a 2pt conversion play for end game situations, then you have been asleep at the wheel alll year in practice.

Using a timeout to think about which play to run on offense is a complete waste and harks back to the days of Mickey Matthews. If the Dukes had failed to get the 2 pt conversion, Weber St.. could have kneeled and run the clock out. If Houston had properly saved the timeout, JMU could have stopped the clock twice in the event the 2pt conversion failed. That would have given the Dukes th ball with 1 minute, no timeouts, and needed a field goal to win.

Houston also completely botched the end of the first half. JMU could have had at least 3 more plays in the red zone if he had used his timeouts correctly. Instead he went into brain freeze mode and didn’t use any. It cost the Dukes multiple opportunities at scoring before the half.

This wasn’t a good mental game for him, but the Dukes won anyway.
12-09-2017 12:20 AM
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(12-09-2017 12:20 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Not the right call. If you don’t have a 2pt conversion play for end game situations, then you have been asleep at the wheel alll year in practice.

Using a timeout to think about which play to run on offense is a complete waste and harks back to the days of Mickey Matthews. If the Dukes had failed to get the 2 pt conversion, Weber St.. could have kneeled and run the clock out. If Houston had properly saved the timeout, JMU could have stopped the clock twice in the event the 2pt conversion failed. That would have given the Dukes th ball with 1 minute, no timeouts, and needed a field goal to win.

Houston also completely botched the end of the first half. JMU could have had at least 3 more plays in the red zone if he had used his timeouts correctly. Instead he went into brain freeze mode and didn’t use any. It cost the Dukes multiple opportunities at scoring before the half.

This wasn’t a good mental game for him, but the Dukes won anyway.

Really? Really??? :bang head: The 2pt. conversion did not fail. It was the right call to get the right play in to promote the best chance to score and tie the game. Your scenario is predicated on failure, not putting JMU in the best position to win the game.
12-09-2017 12:42 AM
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RE: Timeout before 2 Point Converions
In the NFL with professionls, or in a video game with no humans involved, then I think you never call a timeout there. In college, with the emotions involved and the relative inexperience of the players, I think the timeout is the right call, particularly because we had already burned one so the odds weren’t in our favor if we didn’t get the two point play.
12-09-2017 06:47 AM
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Without that 2pt play the game was effectively over. That would've been a total momentum changer IMO.
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Hart Foundation is tougher on Mike Houston than he ever was on Matt Brady <sigh>

If we are picking on the Dukes- I thought not going for the first field goal in the first half (the one before the block) was the wrong move. By then Weber State had proved they were very formidable and it was going to be a close game. I would have liked to see the Dukes go for the points there.
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RE: Timeout before 2 Point Converions
While we’re at it (which, fwiw, I don’t think it’s negative to discuss play call decisions in a win; just something to talk about to kill time until next Friday), I was surprised that A. we ran the ball on the conversion, and B. we didn’t use Marshall. However, Sharp just willed his way in there even though we’ve struggled to pick up short yardage via running lately. Awesome individual championship effort by him, and that’s a play I won’t forget for a long time.
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(12-09-2017 07:49 AM)JMUska Wrote:  While we’re at it (which, fwiw, I don’t think it’s negative to discuss play call decisions in a win; just something to talk about to kill time until next Friday), I was surprised that A. we ran the ball on the conversion, and B. we didn’t use Marshall. However, Sharp just willed his way in there even though we’ve struggled to pick up short yardage via running lately. Awesome individual championship effort by him, and that’s a play I won’t forget for a long time.

Marshall was banged up with a twisted leg on a prior play. I’m hoping its minor enough he can recover in a few days, but not certain if he’ll be ready for semis or not.
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Oh wow, I didn’t even realize. Hopefully it’s not serious because he really had a breakout performance tonight.
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RE: Timeout before 2 Point Converions
Bad call. If you miss the two point conversion the game is pretty much over. With an extra timeout that's 40 extra seconds should you need it.
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He hobbled off the field, but it didn’t look too serious. Hopefully he will be ready to go next week.
Sharp’s Run was very impressive. I thought they stopped him but he keep fighting. Such a huge run.
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(12-09-2017 08:52 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  He hobbled off the field, but it didn’t look too serious. Hopefully he will be ready to go next week.
Sharp’s Run was very impressive. I thought they stopped him but he keep fighting. Such a huge run.

Yes, after watching that play again and again, it was a tremendous effort.
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I was really surprised we ran it, especially since Marshall want available. Very gutsy call. Hats off to Trai.
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I can't believe that was the play call coming out of a timeout. Oh well, it worked and that's all that matters!
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(12-09-2017 11:36 AM)JMUNewbill Wrote:  I can't believe that was the play call coming out of a timeout. Oh well, it worked and that's all that matters!

This. It worked but had it not, theses boards would be singing a different tune.
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(12-09-2017 12:20 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Not the right call. If you don’t have a 2pt conversion play for end game situations, then you have been asleep at the wheel alll year in practice.

Using a timeout to think about which play to run on offense is a complete waste and harks back to the days of Mickey Matthews. If the Dukes had failed to get the 2 pt conversion, Weber St.. could have kneeled and run the clock out. If Houston had properly saved the timeout, JMU could have stopped the clock twice in the event the 2pt conversion failed. That would have given the Dukes th ball with 1 minute, no timeouts, and needed a field goal to win.

Houston also completely botched the end of the first half. JMU could have had at least 3 more plays in the red zone if he had used his timeouts correctly. Instead he went into brain freeze mode and didn’t use any. It cost the Dukes multiple opportunities at scoring before the half.

This wasn’t a good mental game for him, but the Dukes won anyway.

I agree 100%. Houston and staff are great coaches but they had more mental mistakes last night than I have seen all year. I thought he was not going to get the timeout called at the end either.
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