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Bowling Green played at Norfolk State last Saturday, went back to Ohio and then here today. One would think that if you are going to play at both Norfolk schools you should do it on the same road trip.

(12-09-2017 10:38 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  +1,000,000,000

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How do you feel about the performance of BJ so far this year. His jumper looks great and he seems to have matured as a basketball player. Thoughts?

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(12-09-2017 10:34 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:23 AM)jasdf Wrote:  what narrative is that exactly

I cannot speak for Giles, mac or anyone else on this forum, but the "narrative" that irks me the most is the one that does not allow for any other conclusion but that Coach Jones sucks and needs to be replaced -- and must be inserted into every thread relating to mbb.

No matter how things turn out tonight -- even if we clobber Bowling Green from the starting tip to the final buzzer and Alfis gets into double figures -- the comments will be that we as a program should not be at a level of celebrating wins over such lesser opponents. There is no room for just enjoying a positive outcome by a team that is across-the-board likeable and is playing their hearts out.

I promise that, for my own part, Coach Jones is NOT the second coming. I am still upset that he so obviously got outcoached by Mike Rhoades at VCU last week. That is a game that we were in control, and JJ allowed it to slip away.

But he's also the same coach that got our team off of its heels down in Charleston, after that first bad half against Temple, and had us playing very good basketball for the rest of that tournament.

I don't have any expectation of an NCAA appearance this year. That is an enormous indictment of Coach Jones in year 5. But I'd prefer not to be reminded of that in every single basketball-related thread. And I especially don't much enjoy getting lectures from those think it is okay to piss all over what my eyes can clearly see is good playing and good coaching.

That is the "narrative". Whether Coach Jones should stay on or not is a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion. The irritation is when it displaces every other worthwhile discussion topic because the "narrative" cannot be allowed to develop on its own merits.

Does that answer your question, jasdf?

At least those of us opposed to keeping JJ around actually talk about basketball and attempt to analyze our play. Most of the other crowd only talks about other posters. Are those people better for the message board?

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(12-09-2017 12:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 10:34 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:23 AM)jasdf Wrote:  what narrative is that exactly

I cannot speak for Giles, mac or anyone else on this forum, but the "narrative" that irks me the most is the one that does not allow for any other conclusion but that Coach Jones sucks and needs to be replaced -- and must be inserted into every thread relating to mbb.

No matter how things turn out tonight -- even if we clobber Bowling Green from the starting tip to the final buzzer and Alfis gets into double figures -- the comments will be that we as a program should not be at a level of celebrating wins over such lesser opponents. There is no room for just enjoying a positive outcome by a team that is across-the-board likeable and is playing their hearts out.

I promise that, for my own part, Coach Jones is NOT the second coming. I am still upset that he so obviously got outcoached by Mike Rhoades at VCU last week. That is a game that we were in control, and JJ allowed it to slip away.

But he's also the same coach that got our team off of its heels down in Charleston, after that first bad half against Temple, and had us playing very good basketball for the rest of that tournament.

I don't have any expectation of an NCAA appearance this year. That is an enormous indictment of Coach Jones in year 5. But I'd prefer not to be reminded of that in every single basketball-related thread. And I especially don't much enjoy getting lectures from those think it is okay to piss all over what my eyes can clearly see is good playing and good coaching.

That is the "narrative". Whether Coach Jones should stay on or not is a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion. The irritation is when it displaces every other worthwhile discussion topic because the "narrative" cannot be allowed to develop on its own merits.

Does that answer your question, jasdf?

At least those of us opposed to keeping JJ around actually talk about basketball and attempt to analyze our play. Most of the other crowd only talks about other posters. Are those people better for the message board?

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Not many of them do. Unless talking hoops is “lol, how are favored by 13?”

(12-09-2017 12:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 10:34 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:23 AM)jasdf Wrote:  what narrative is that exactly

I cannot speak for Giles, mac or anyone else on this forum, but the "narrative" that irks me the most is the one that does not allow for any other conclusion but that Coach Jones sucks and needs to be replaced -- and must be inserted into every thread relating to mbb.

No matter how things turn out tonight -- even if we clobber Bowling Green from the starting tip to the final buzzer and Alfis gets into double figures -- the comments will be that we as a program should not be at a level of celebrating wins over such lesser opponents. There is no room for just enjoying a positive outcome by a team that is across-the-board likeable and is playing their hearts out.

I promise that, for my own part, Coach Jones is NOT the second coming. I am still upset that he so obviously got outcoached by Mike Rhoades at VCU last week. That is a game that we were in control, and JJ allowed it to slip away.

But he's also the same coach that got our team off of its heels down in Charleston, after that first bad half against Temple, and had us playing very good basketball for the rest of that tournament.

I don't have any expectation of an NCAA appearance this year. That is an enormous indictment of Coach Jones in year 5. But I'd prefer not to be reminded of that in every single basketball-related thread. And I especially don't much enjoy getting lectures from those think it is okay to piss all over what my eyes can clearly see is good playing and good coaching.

That is the "narrative". Whether Coach Jones should stay on or not is a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion. The irritation is when it displaces every other worthwhile discussion topic because the "narrative" cannot be allowed to develop on its own merits.

Does that answer your question, jasdf?

At least those of us opposed to keeping JJ around actually talk about basketball and attempt to analyze our play. Most of the other crowd only talks about other posters. Are those people better for the message board?

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I understand...typical ODU basketball analysis on these posts:

Point 1: JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.
Point 2: JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.
Point 3:JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.

Repeat as many times as felt necessary.

(12-09-2017 11:57 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 10:43 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 10:02 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Giles loves to use facts, he just isn't big on context. The teams we've beaten by more than 13 are absolutely horrible bottom feeders. The teams we've beaten by less are decent. The teams we've lost to are pretty good. BW is pretty good.

How do you define bottom feeder, decent and pretty good? I haven't a clue, that's what makes this fun

The poster said he didnt believe we should be favored by that vs “anyone.” Speaking of context, your post has none.

Kenpom would disagree with that poster. Kenpom has us in the mix for an at large.

Im somewhat surprised by our ranking but our schedule has been better than i realized.

(12-09-2017 01:05 PM)ODU804 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 10:34 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:23 AM)jasdf Wrote:  what narrative is that exactly

I cannot speak for Giles, mac or anyone else on this forum, but the "narrative" that irks me the most is the one that does not allow for any other conclusion but that Coach Jones sucks and needs to be replaced -- and must be inserted into every thread relating to mbb.

No matter how things turn out tonight -- even if we clobber Bowling Green from the starting tip to the final buzzer and Alfis gets into double figures -- the comments will be that we as a program should not be at a level of celebrating wins over such lesser opponents. There is no room for just enjoying a positive outcome by a team that is across-the-board likeable and is playing their hearts out.

I promise that, for my own part, Coach Jones is NOT the second coming. I am still upset that he so obviously got outcoached by Mike Rhoades at VCU last week. That is a game that we were in control, and JJ allowed it to slip away.

But he's also the same coach that got our team off of its heels down in Charleston, after that first bad half against Temple, and had us playing very good basketball for the rest of that tournament.

I don't have any expectation of an NCAA appearance this year. That is an enormous indictment of Coach Jones in year 5. But I'd prefer not to be reminded of that in every single basketball-related thread. And I especially don't much enjoy getting lectures from those think it is okay to piss all over what my eyes can clearly see is good playing and good coaching.

That is the "narrative". Whether Coach Jones should stay on or not is a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion. The irritation is when it displaces every other worthwhile discussion topic because the "narrative" cannot be allowed to develop on its own merits.

Does that answer your question, jasdf?

At least those of us opposed to keeping JJ around actually talk about basketball and attempt to analyze our play. Most of the other crowd only talks about other posters. Are those people better for the message board?

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I understand...typical ODU basketball analysis on these posts:

Point 1: JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.
Point 2: JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.
Point 3:JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.

Repeat as many times as felt necessary.

And yet I have heard 1 single post, from Monarx, that has explained why we should give JJ more time, and not even one post on what the line for moving on should actually be. Maybe there would be more discussion if the pro Jones crowd spent a little more time explaining their position, and a little less time attacking other posters.

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(12-09-2017 01:18 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 01:05 PM)ODU804 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 10:34 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:23 AM)jasdf Wrote:  what narrative is that exactly

I cannot speak for Giles, mac or anyone else on this forum, but the "narrative" that irks me the most is the one that does not allow for any other conclusion but that Coach Jones sucks and needs to be replaced -- and must be inserted into every thread relating to mbb.

No matter how things turn out tonight -- even if we clobber Bowling Green from the starting tip to the final buzzer and Alfis gets into double figures -- the comments will be that we as a program should not be at a level of celebrating wins over such lesser opponents. There is no room for just enjoying a positive outcome by a team that is across-the-board likeable and is playing their hearts out.

I promise that, for my own part, Coach Jones is NOT the second coming. I am still upset that he so obviously got outcoached by Mike Rhoades at VCU last week. That is a game that we were in control, and JJ allowed it to slip away.

But he's also the same coach that got our team off of its heels down in Charleston, after that first bad half against Temple, and had us playing very good basketball for the rest of that tournament.

I don't have any expectation of an NCAA appearance this year. That is an enormous indictment of Coach Jones in year 5. But I'd prefer not to be reminded of that in every single basketball-related thread. And I especially don't much enjoy getting lectures from those think it is okay to piss all over what my eyes can clearly see is good playing and good coaching.

That is the "narrative". Whether Coach Jones should stay on or not is a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion. The irritation is when it displaces every other worthwhile discussion topic because the "narrative" cannot be allowed to develop on its own merits.

Does that answer your question, jasdf?

At least those of us opposed to keeping JJ around actually talk about basketball and attempt to analyze our play. Most of the other crowd only talks about other posters. Are those people better for the message board?

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I understand...typical ODU basketball analysis on these posts:

Point 1: JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.
Point 2: JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.
Point 3:JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.

Repeat as many times as felt necessary.

And yet I have heard 1 single post, from Monarx, that has explained why we should give JJ more time, and not even one post on what the line for moving on should actually be. Maybe there would be more discussion if the pro Jones crowd spent a little more time explaining their position, and a little less time attacking other posters.

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Or maybe we could just talk about the team bc jones is going nowhere as of right now. And anything pertaining to Jones has been discussed to death.

(12-09-2017 01:21 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 01:18 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 01:05 PM)ODU804 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 10:34 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I cannot speak for Giles, mac or anyone else on this forum, but the "narrative" that irks me the most is the one that does not allow for any other conclusion but that Coach Jones sucks and needs to be replaced -- and must be inserted into every thread relating to mbb.

No matter how things turn out tonight -- even if we clobber Bowling Green from the starting tip to the final buzzer and Alfis gets into double figures -- the comments will be that we as a program should not be at a level of celebrating wins over such lesser opponents. There is no room for just enjoying a positive outcome by a team that is across-the-board likeable and is playing their hearts out.

I promise that, for my own part, Coach Jones is NOT the second coming. I am still upset that he so obviously got outcoached by Mike Rhoades at VCU last week. That is a game that we were in control, and JJ allowed it to slip away.

But he's also the same coach that got our team off of its heels down in Charleston, after that first bad half against Temple, and had us playing very good basketball for the rest of that tournament.

I don't have any expectation of an NCAA appearance this year. That is an enormous indictment of Coach Jones in year 5. But I'd prefer not to be reminded of that in every single basketball-related thread. And I especially don't much enjoy getting lectures from those think it is okay to piss all over what my eyes can clearly see is good playing and good coaching.

That is the "narrative". Whether Coach Jones should stay on or not is a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion. The irritation is when it displaces every other worthwhile discussion topic because the "narrative" cannot be allowed to develop on its own merits.

Does that answer your question, jasdf?

At least those of us opposed to keeping JJ around actually talk about basketball and attempt to analyze our play. Most of the other crowd only talks about other posters. Are those people better for the message board?

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I understand...typical ODU basketball analysis on these posts:

Point 1: JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.
Point 2: JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.
Point 3:JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.

Repeat as many times as felt necessary.

And yet I have heard 1 single post, from Monarx, that has explained why we should give JJ more time, and not even one post on what the line for moving on should actually be. Maybe there would be more discussion if the pro Jones crowd spent a little more time explaining their position, and a little less time attacking other posters.

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Or maybe we could just talk about the team bc jones is going nowhere as of right now. And anything pertaining to Jones has been discussed to death.

Or maybe we could talk about all of the above because Jones's tenure is obviously a hot topic around ODU Basketball. Eliminating the "your post is stupid because you are stupid, and I'm not going to explain why I think that" posts would be much more productive for creating good discussions. We have posters who literally only post that other people are stupid. It's ridiculous.
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Ok. Its fun to read in every game thread how we should fire Jones if we arent up 10 at the first timeout.

I have some friends that want to come with tonight. Anyone have 2 BBR tickets they arent going to use?

(12-09-2017 01:42 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I have some friends that want to come with tonight. Anyone have 2 BBR tickets they arent going to use?

Try anyone with ODAF? I usually just ask the. If I need BBR passes.

(12-09-2017 10:34 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:23 AM)jasdf Wrote:  what narrative is that exactly

I cannot speak for Giles, mac or anyone else on this forum, but the "narrative" that irks me the most is the one that does not allow for any other conclusion but that Coach Jones sucks and needs to be replaced -- and must be inserted into every thread relating to mbb.

No matter how things turn out tonight -- even if we clobber Bowling Green from the starting tip to the final buzzer and Alfis gets into double figures -- the comments will be that we as a program should not be at a level of celebrating wins over such lesser opponents. There is no room for just enjoying a positive outcome by a team that is across-the-board likeable and is playing their hearts out.

I promise that, for my own part, Coach Jones is NOT the second coming. I am still upset that he so obviously got outcoached by Mike Rhoades at VCU last week. That is a game that we were in control, and JJ allowed it to slip away.

But he's also the same coach that got our team off of its heels down in Charleston, after that first bad half against Temple, and had us playing very good basketball for the rest of that tournament.

I don't have any expectation of an NCAA appearance this year. That is an enormous indictment of Coach Jones in year 5. But I'd prefer not to be reminded of that in every single basketball-related thread. And I especially don't much enjoy getting lectures from those think it is okay to piss all over what my eyes can clearly see is good playing and good coaching.

That is the "narrative". Whether Coach Jones should stay on or not is a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion. The irritation is when it displaces every other worthwhile discussion topic because the "narrative" cannot be allowed to develop on its own merits.

Does that answer your question, jasdf?

First of all, probably one of the best message board posts I've read. Nice work.

Second, there are about three people that post here that would rather spew negativity towards Jeff Jones than root for our team. It makes them happy. Why? No clue.

I do not think Jeff Jones is the best coach ever, I also don't think he is terrible. Works his tail off, hires good people, etc.

Don't let a few message board trolls ruin a season that might turn out fine.

(12-09-2017 01:18 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 01:05 PM)ODU804 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 10:34 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:23 AM)jasdf Wrote:  what narrative is that exactly

I cannot speak for Giles, mac or anyone else on this forum, but the "narrative" that irks me the most is the one that does not allow for any other conclusion but that Coach Jones sucks and needs to be replaced -- and must be inserted into every thread relating to mbb.

No matter how things turn out tonight -- even if we clobber Bowling Green from the starting tip to the final buzzer and Alfis gets into double figures -- the comments will be that we as a program should not be at a level of celebrating wins over such lesser opponents. There is no room for just enjoying a positive outcome by a team that is across-the-board likeable and is playing their hearts out.

I promise that, for my own part, Coach Jones is NOT the second coming. I am still upset that he so obviously got outcoached by Mike Rhoades at VCU last week. That is a game that we were in control, and JJ allowed it to slip away.

But he's also the same coach that got our team off of its heels down in Charleston, after that first bad half against Temple, and had us playing very good basketball for the rest of that tournament.

I don't have any expectation of an NCAA appearance this year. That is an enormous indictment of Coach Jones in year 5. But I'd prefer not to be reminded of that in every single basketball-related thread. And I especially don't much enjoy getting lectures from those think it is okay to piss all over what my eyes can clearly see is good playing and good coaching.

That is the "narrative". Whether Coach Jones should stay on or not is a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion. The irritation is when it displaces every other worthwhile discussion topic because the "narrative" cannot be allowed to develop on its own merits.

Does that answer your question, jasdf?

At least those of us opposed to keeping JJ around actually talk about basketball and attempt to analyze our play. Most of the other crowd only talks about other posters. Are those people better for the message board?

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I understand...typical ODU basketball analysis on these posts:

Point 1: JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.
Point 2: JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.
Point 3:JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.

Repeat as many times as felt necessary.

And yet I have heard 1 single post, from Monarx, that has explained why we should give JJ more time, and not even one post on what the line for moving on should actually be. Maybe there would be more discussion if the pro Jones crowd spent a little more time explaining their position, and a little less time attacking other posters.

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Again, i don't have a problem with people taking the positions they do. Everyone certainly has the right to voice their opinion on this site. I do however wish it could be confined to it's own thread and not constantly be regurgitated on threads about other topics. Its frustrating to keep coming to this site and expecting to read about game and team analysis only to find out that a thread has been hijacked yet again. It's a wast of time.

(12-09-2017 01:18 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 01:05 PM)ODU804 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 10:34 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:23 AM)jasdf Wrote:  what narrative is that exactly

I cannot speak for Giles, mac or anyone else on this forum, but the "narrative" that irks me the most is the one that does not allow for any other conclusion but that Coach Jones sucks and needs to be replaced -- and must be inserted into every thread relating to mbb.

No matter how things turn out tonight -- even if we clobber Bowling Green from the starting tip to the final buzzer and Alfis gets into double figures -- the comments will be that we as a program should not be at a level of celebrating wins over such lesser opponents. There is no room for just enjoying a positive outcome by a team that is across-the-board likeable and is playing their hearts out.

I promise that, for my own part, Coach Jones is NOT the second coming. I am still upset that he so obviously got outcoached by Mike Rhoades at VCU last week. That is a game that we were in control, and JJ allowed it to slip away.

But he's also the same coach that got our team off of its heels down in Charleston, after that first bad half against Temple, and had us playing very good basketball for the rest of that tournament.

I don't have any expectation of an NCAA appearance this year. That is an enormous indictment of Coach Jones in year 5. But I'd prefer not to be reminded of that in every single basketball-related thread. And I especially don't much enjoy getting lectures from those think it is okay to piss all over what my eyes can clearly see is good playing and good coaching.

That is the "narrative". Whether Coach Jones should stay on or not is a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion. The irritation is when it displaces every other worthwhile discussion topic because the "narrative" cannot be allowed to develop on its own merits.

Does that answer your question, jasdf?

At least those of us opposed to keeping JJ around actually talk about basketball and attempt to analyze our play. Most of the other crowd only talks about other posters. Are those people better for the message board?

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I understand...typical ODU basketball analysis on these posts:

Point 1: JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.
Point 2: JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.
Point 3:JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.

Repeat as many times as felt necessary.

And yet I have heard 1 single post, from Monarx, that has explained why we should give JJ more time, and not even one post on what the line for moving on should actually be. Maybe there would be more discussion if the pro Jones crowd spent a little more time explaining their position, and a little less time attacking other posters.

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Why are you calling me out? I said in my original post on that topic that I didnt know when to give up on him. Thats why they pay Wood the big bucks. But my patience is running out. I also said I was willing to give JJ one more year based on his improved recruiting this season and the fact that I think next year's team has potential. Thats it. If you want to be an internet bully and attack the adamantly pro-Jones crowd, you've got the wrong guy. I'm simply pro-ODU, whether that means Jones or whoever. And how ironic that you end your post encouraging people not to attack other posters. Sheesh.

(12-09-2017 10:34 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 09:23 AM)jasdf Wrote:  what narrative is that exactly

I cannot speak for Giles, mac or anyone else on this forum, but the "narrative" that irks me the most is the one that does not allow for any other conclusion but that Coach Jones sucks and needs to be replaced -- and must be inserted into every thread relating to mbb.

No matter how things turn out tonight -- even if we clobber Bowling Green from the starting tip to the final buzzer and Alfis gets into double figures -- the comments will be that we as a program should not be at a level of celebrating wins over such lesser opponents. There is no room for just enjoying a positive outcome by a team that is across-the-board likeable and is playing their hearts out.

I promise that, for my own part, Coach Jones is NOT the second coming. I am still upset that he so obviously got outcoached by Mike Rhoades at VCU last week. That is a game that we were in control, and JJ allowed it to slip away.

But he's also the same coach that got our team off of its heels down in Charleston, after that first bad half against Temple, and had us playing very good basketball for the rest of that tournament.

I don't have any expectation of an NCAA appearance this year. That is an enormous indictment of Coach Jones in year 5. But I'd prefer not to be reminded of that in every single basketball-related thread. And I especially don't much enjoy getting lectures from those think it is okay to piss all over what my eyes can clearly see is good playing and good coaching.

That is the "narrative". Whether Coach Jones should stay on or not is a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion. The irritation is when it displaces every other worthwhile discussion topic because the "narrative" cannot be allowed to develop on its own merits.

Does that answer your question, jasdf?

I actually think this is a fantastic post and I am totally fine with this. Usually when the discussion turns to jones, it's in response to someone trolling the anti-jones crowd.

I'm all for discussing the game and the results. If I see coaching decisions in game that I disagree with (like not getting hueitt minutes when the team is gassed and we can't score), I'm still going to call jones out.

But I agree that there is no reason for either side to bring up Jones's job security after every game. Totally good with that.

(12-09-2017 03:18 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 01:18 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 01:05 PM)ODU804 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 10:34 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I cannot speak for Giles, mac or anyone else on this forum, but the "narrative" that irks me the most is the one that does not allow for any other conclusion but that Coach Jones sucks and needs to be replaced -- and must be inserted into every thread relating to mbb.

No matter how things turn out tonight -- even if we clobber Bowling Green from the starting tip to the final buzzer and Alfis gets into double figures -- the comments will be that we as a program should not be at a level of celebrating wins over such lesser opponents. There is no room for just enjoying a positive outcome by a team that is across-the-board likeable and is playing their hearts out.

I promise that, for my own part, Coach Jones is NOT the second coming. I am still upset that he so obviously got outcoached by Mike Rhoades at VCU last week. That is a game that we were in control, and JJ allowed it to slip away.

But he's also the same coach that got our team off of its heels down in Charleston, after that first bad half against Temple, and had us playing very good basketball for the rest of that tournament.

I don't have any expectation of an NCAA appearance this year. That is an enormous indictment of Coach Jones in year 5. But I'd prefer not to be reminded of that in every single basketball-related thread. And I especially don't much enjoy getting lectures from those think it is okay to piss all over what my eyes can clearly see is good playing and good coaching.

That is the "narrative". Whether Coach Jones should stay on or not is a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion. The irritation is when it displaces every other worthwhile discussion topic because the "narrative" cannot be allowed to develop on its own merits.

Does that answer your question, jasdf?

At least those of us opposed to keeping JJ around actually talk about basketball and attempt to analyze our play. Most of the other crowd only talks about other posters. Are those people better for the message board?

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I understand...typical ODU basketball analysis on these posts:

Point 1: JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.
Point 2: JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.
Point 3:JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.

Repeat as many times as felt necessary.

And yet I have heard 1 single post, from Monarx, that has explained why we should give JJ more time, and not even one post on what the line for moving on should actually be. Maybe there would be more discussion if the pro Jones crowd spent a little more time explaining their position, and a little less time attacking other posters.

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Why are you calling me out? I said in my original post on that topic that I didnt know when to give up on him. Thats why they pay Wood the big bucks. But my patience is running out. I also said I was willing to give JJ one more year based on his improved recruiting this season and the fact that I think next year's team has potential. Thats it. If you want to be an internet bully and attack the adamantly pro-Jones crowd, you've got the wrong guy. I'm simply pro-ODU, whether that means Jones or whoever. And how ironic that you end your post encouraging people not to attack other posters. Sheesh.

I think he was giving you credit...........

^Monarx is a solid old school fan- one of the most loyal on here . The whole fire jones crew might as well join a circle jerk and enjoy each other’s company- the post of the year above is accurate any thing else is meaningless . Let’s go blue !! Keep the kumbaya fans happy ...

(12-09-2017 03:22 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 03:18 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 01:18 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 01:05 PM)ODU804 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  At least those of us opposed to keeping JJ around actually talk about basketball and attempt to analyze our play. Most of the other crowd only talks about other posters. Are those people better for the message board?

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I understand...typical ODU basketball analysis on these posts:

Point 1: JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.
Point 2: JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.
Point 3:JJ hasn't taken us to the NCAA tourney in 5 years...he should be fired.

Repeat as many times as felt necessary.

And yet I have heard 1 single post, from Monarx, that has explained why we should give JJ more time, and not even one post on what the line for moving on should actually be. Maybe there would be more discussion if the pro Jones crowd spent a little more time explaining their position, and a little less time attacking other posters.

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Why are you calling me out? I said in my original post on that topic that I didnt know when to give up on him. Thats why they pay Wood the big bucks. But my patience is running out. I also said I was willing to give JJ one more year based on his improved recruiting this season and the fact that I think next year's team has potential. Thats it. If you want to be an internet bully and attack the adamantly pro-Jones crowd, you've got the wrong guy. I'm simply pro-ODU, whether that means Jones or whoever. And how ironic that you end your post encouraging people not to attack other posters. Sheesh.

I think he was giving you credit...........

Upon further review, I think you might be right. If thats the case. My bad. I take it back. Sorry Monarch Blue :)

(12-09-2017 03:28 PM)Obiwan Wrote:  ^Monarx is a solid old school fan- one of the most loyal on here . The whole fire jones crew might as well join a circle jerk and enjoy each other’s company- the post of the year above is accurate any thing else is meaningless . Let’s go blue !! Keep the kumbaya fans happy ...

Lol way to prove monarch blue right.