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RE: What should Conference USA do?
(12-14-2017 10:33 AM)esayem Wrote:  Southwest (CT - MT)
Rice
Texas State
UTSA
N. Texas
UTEP
NMSU*

* denotes independent in football.

This conference is too small to maintain FBS or even FCS status. You need at least 8 full FB-playing members for FBS, and 6 FB schools for FCS, I think.
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(12-14-2017 10:41 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 10:33 AM)esayem Wrote:  Southwest (CT - MT)
Rice
Texas State
UTSA
N. Texas
UTEP
NMSU*

* denotes independent in football.

This conference is too small to maintain FBS or even FCS status.

Not a conference, just a regional grouping. The idea is that schools would blend from different groups in one of two ways.
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RE: What should Conference USA do?
(12-14-2017 09:54 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 09:09 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 12:20 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 07:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 06:04 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  C-USA should just focus on improving football and basketball, that would be a good start instead of adding more schools that will create more problems than not. A conference that has UTEP, UAB, WKU, Charlotte, Old Dominion and MTSU has no excuse of being a one bid league. Marshall, USM, La Tech and Rice should pave the way in football. UTEP should be competitive in both sports as well. The rest are either too new in FBS (ODU, UTSA, Charlotte) or have little tradition in basketball (UTSA, the Florida schools, UNT) to expect much from them for the moment.

In basketball, it isn't about needing time to build up a program. A good basketball coach can and will overhaul a roster and field a competitive team in his first year with a program.

For the record, last season the North Texas men's team finished 8-22. This season under our first year coach, we are currently 6-5, and I expect us to finish at least .500. Our women's team is currently tied with UAB for 1st in C-USA with a 7-2 record.

Please expect more from North Texas. We do. It is one of the reasons I do not prescribe to the realignment theories being thrown around in this thread.

That is where you remain stubbornly ridiculous.

"expect more" what a freaking laugh. A complete fabrication of fantasy.

Arkansas State will have done more than $50 million in renovations just for football since the end of 2014 by the end of 2018.

Please smell the coffee and wake up to the fact that not only are there Sun Belt programs matching you dollar for dollar in investment your premise is rank silliness.

FAU is the only CUSA team rated ahead of the Sun Belt's top three programs but you don't want to affiliate with them because you have hahahaha higher standard.

I don't have a problem with the Sun Belt. It was a decent home for North Texas for several years. There are some good programs in the Sun Belt. I actually like Arkansas State and a few others. I just don't want to realign with the Sun Belt. Although ASU and a few others are seriously investing in their programs, I don't believe the majority of Sun Belt programs are as dedicated.

I'm very happy with the line up in C-USA West. C-USA finished with 10 bowl eligible teams this season. There is no good reason to even consider a realignment.

I really don't even understand why you care. Last I heard ASU wasn't interested in C-USA. I thought they had their sights set on the AAC.

AAC isn't likely to do anything any time soon and you don't want to be USU or NMSU who dreamed of getting in the WAC and when they got there is it had become a dump after the last tenants moved out.

Hey we used to want to be in CUSA but everyone we were interested in except USM left.

Why do I care.

I want my university to get better and it can improve more taking a little from column A and a little from column B out CUSA and Sun Belt than it can being in CUSA or Sun Belt.

There is 110 years of history in intercollegiate athletics that says conference affiliations are not stagnant in the overall picture.

You can be the guy who said the patent office should be shut down because everything useful has already been invented or you can stay alert for opportunities.

C-USA West is a solid G5 division. 5 (North Texas, Southern Miss, LA Tech, UAB, & UTSA) of the 7 teams in the division finished bowl eligible. And, ASU is situated nicely within it. So, I totally understand why you would be in favor of realignment. ASU is a solid program and has been for a while.

Personally, I don't want realignment because...

*I think when conferences become too regional, they lose relevance. No G5 conference can afford to lose any more relevance than we already have.

*Right now, I think stability within C-USA is more important then saving a few dollars in travel costs. After 5 seasons with our current line-up, C-USA finished with a record 10 bowl eligible teams. I believe if C-USA remains stable, our conference can develop more relevance within college football.

*I know the current membership of C-USA can be successful. Swapping out parts with the Sun Belt would almost certainly mean including programs we don't want or need.


There will be no "airport meeting". Right now contracts for bowl ties, playoff money, and pathetic media deals are all in place. No group within C-USA is going to break off and form a new conference. It would be suicide. Yes, some will moan about their financial struggles, and how travel is expensive, but that is all it will amount to, because those programs do not have enough votes to change any of it.
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RE: What should Conference USA do?
AAC could take UMass (UCOnn wants them.), ODU and Southern Mississippi could get picked first. UAB would be next. Rice, North Texas and UTSA would be there to pick when Houston gets picked to a P5 conference.
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(12-14-2017 11:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  AAC could take UMass (UCOnn wants them.), ODU and Southern Mississippi could get picked first. UAB would be next. Rice, North Texas and UTSA would be there to pick when Houston gets picked to a P5 conference.


Aresco is that you?
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(12-15-2017 08:36 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 11:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  AAC could take UMass (UCOnn wants them.), ODU and Southern Mississippi could get picked first. UAB would be next. Rice, North Texas and UTSA would be there to pick when Houston gets picked to a P5 conference.


Aresco is that you?



There was an article about what the AAC would do in case the Big 12 raids the AAC. UMass. was mentioned as a favor to UConn as an academic peer, but as a travel partner in case UConn gets rejected. ODU was mentioned because they are already spending money the amount that the AAC schools are spending. Southern Miss. because the old C-USA schools want them to be there as well. There were internal emails been requested between the schools, the presidents, ads and Aresco talking about what to do just in case.
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RE: What should Conference USA do?
C-USA raided the Sun Belt 5 years ago. Which conference is in better shape now?

http://www.sunherald.com/sports/spt-colu...87824.html

Read more here: http://www.sunherald.com/sports/spt-colu...rylink=cpy
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(12-15-2017 11:12 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  C-USA raided the Sun Belt 5 years ago. Which conference is in better shape now?

http://www.sunherald.com/sports/spt-colu...87824.html

Read more here: http://www.sunherald.com/sports/spt-colu...rylink=cpy

That’s because CUSA went after start up schools in markets instead of schools with established athletics and brands. CUSA took the Sun belts deadweight and gave the SBC the chance to add Georgia Southern and App State. Now the SBC is doing a lot better and CUSA is wondering why they have so much deadweight.
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The AAC went after markets also. What is the difference??
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(12-16-2017 07:11 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  The AAC went after markets also. What is the difference??

The AAC went after established programs in large markets while CUSA went after start ups UTSA, UNCC, FIU, and FAU solely because they were in markets.
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RE: What should Conference USA do?
What CUSA should've went for durring realignment:

Marshall
Old Dominion
Liberty
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern

Southern Miss
Louisiana Tech
Louisiana
Arkansas State
Texas State
*Missouri State
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(12-17-2017 01:04 PM)polkhigh Wrote:  What CUSA should've went for durring realignment:

Marshall
Old Dominion
Liberty
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern

Southern Miss
Louisiana Tech
Louisiana
Arkansas State
Texas State
*Missouri State


Marshall
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Troy

Southern Miss
Louisiana Tech
Louisiana
Arkansas State
Texas State
Rice
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(12-17-2017 01:17 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 01:04 PM)polkhigh Wrote:  What CUSA should've went for durring realignment:

Marshall
Old Dominion
Liberty
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern

Southern Miss
Louisiana Tech
Louisiana
Arkansas State
Texas State
*Missouri State


Marshall
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Troy

Southern Miss
Louisiana Tech
Louisiana
Arkansas State
Texas State
Rice

UAB and UTEP were also already members of C-USA before the great realignment of 2013.
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(12-16-2017 08:02 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(12-16-2017 07:11 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  The AAC went after markets also. What is the difference??

The AAC went after established programs in large markets while CUSA went after start ups UTSA, UNCC, FIU, and FAU solely because they were in markets.



ODU and UTSa have done good in FBS. UTSA got their first win against a P5 school this year. Charlotte is one that is a laughing stock right now. FAU and FIU have been around longer.
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(12-17-2017 01:17 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 01:04 PM)polkhigh Wrote:  What CUSA should've went for durring realignment:

Marshall
Old Dominion
Liberty
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern

Southern Miss
Louisiana Tech
Louisiana
Arkansas State
Texas State
*Missouri State


Marshall
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Troy

Southern Miss
Louisiana Tech
Louisiana
Arkansas State
Texas State
Rice

Marshall
Old Dominion
JMU
App State
WKU
Charlotte
MTSU

UAB
La Tech
Southern Miss
Louisiana Lafayette
Troy
Ga Southern
Ga State
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(12-18-2017 09:40 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Marshall
Old Dominion
JMU
App State
WKU
Charlotte
MTSU

UAB
La Tech
Southern Miss
Louisiana Lafayette
Troy
Ga Southern
Ga State


Drop JMU. Move Troy to the East and Ark St fill in the spot on the west.
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(12-17-2017 01:04 PM)polkhigh Wrote:  What CUSA should've went for durring realignment:

Marshall
Old Dominion
Liberty
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern

Southern Miss
Louisiana Tech
Louisiana
Arkansas State
Texas State
*Missouri State

Maybe this instead? Schools in bold were football members before realignment.

East
Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Marshall
Middle Tennessee
Old Dominion
Western Kentucky

West
Louisiana Tech
North Texas
Rice
Southern Miss
UAB
UTEP

This would leave the Sun Belt perhaps like so:

East
Charlotte
FAU
FIU
Georgia State
South Alabama
Troy

West
Arkansas State
Louisiana-Lafayette
Louisiana-Monroe
New Mexico State (FB only)
Texas State
UTSA

Non-FB
Little Rock
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RE: What should Conference USA do?
Here is the problem with all of these great
Realignment plans.
1. During the last big swaping of schools
There were not any mass mergers. Each and
Every school was added individually.

2. There were only 2 exceptions that were
Unique (The Catholic basketball schools leaving
The Big East and taking the name with them)

Why? They could ( schools that fans knew and
Had great basketball success)

The other exception was Big East Football kicked
Out Temple....

The second problem is schools all think
They are on different levels and would not
Want to be in a league with teams they precieve as being below them.

So I see other ways of raising money long before
I see mergers or tossing members out
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(12-18-2017 12:49 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  Here is the problem with all of these great
Realignment plans.
1. During the last big swaping of schools
There were not any mass mergers. Each and
Every school was added individually.

2. There were only 2 exceptions that were
Unique (The Catholic basketball schools leaving
The Big East and taking the name with them)

Why? They could ( schools that fans knew and
Had great basketball success)

The other exception was Big East Football kicked
Out Temple....

The second problem is schools all think
They are on different levels and would not
Want to be in a league with teams they precieve as being below them.

So I see other ways of raising money long before
I see mergers or tossing members out

It can happen IF everyone is ready to save money and gives up on TV being a significant generator of money. Its not impossible that the leagues could come together and negotiate an exchange....its not likely---but it isn't impossible.

The first key for that type of merger/exchange was for media income to equalize between the two conferences. That has essentially happened. There is no longer any meaningful financial difference between the CUSA and SB TV deals.
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RE: What should Conference USA do?
Had we all known that by the end of the last round of expansion that only 5 of the 2005 edition of C-USA would be left standing I think the league might have just disbanded.

Marshall returns to the MAC.
UTEP and Rice to the MWC
USM and UAB to the Sunbelt.

The MAC ends up with 13 full members likely FB affiliate UMass.
Upon the return of Boise St and Sam Diego St the MWC also sits at 14.
Then you have the Sunbelt:
FAU, FIU, GA St, WKU, MTSU, Troy, UAB
USA, USM, LA Tech, ULL, ULM, Ark St, UNT

The WAC survives!
Idaho, NMSU, Texas St, UTSA, plus FCS upgrades

Maybe Karl Benson sells JMU, ODU, Charlotte, App St, and Georgia Southern on the idea to come in as a group to form his southeastern flank before jumping to the Sunbelt job.
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